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theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.26 15:06:00 - [31] Maller? The maller is meh. Gankomen's are where its at. Awesome Amarr ships: Omen Arbitrator Crusader Zealot Apoc Geddon There AF are good damage dealers and tanks, just a little lacking in the mid slot department to be awesome. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.08.26 15:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Fred0 Amarr battleships are way overpowered. You can fit Projectiles on an apoc and run neck and neck with a tempest in dps but with a big advantage in volley damage. Not quite, an Apoc doesn't get the RoF or Dmg bonus that a Tempest does, so 61.251.25 = 9.38 effective weapons when you compare it to an Apoc carrying 8, excluding any dmg mod modules ofcourse. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.26 15:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Lord Stone Originally by: Douglas Mc***en Caldari suck more, The only decent caldari ships are the crow and harpy imho. Eagle, Cerberus, Ferox are all outstanding. Raven is still very good. They are useful, I wouldn't call them outstanding. Very flexible ships just not excellent at anything really. And currently they just feel lacking to me, even though I have the skills to make the most of them. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.08.26 15:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Fred0 Amarr battleships are way overpowered. You can fit Projectiles on an apoc and run neck and neck with a tempest in dps but with a big advantage in volley damage. Not quite, an Apoc doesn't get the RoF or Dmg bonus that a Tempest does, so 61.251.25 = 9.38 effective weapons when you compare it to an Apoc carrying 8, excluding any dmg mod modules ofcourse. thats where the difference is, tempest has 5 damage mods, apoc 1 more when it fits a RCU Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.08.26 15:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Originally by: Fred0 Amarr battleships are way overpowered. You can fit Projectiles on an apoc and run neck and neck with a tempest in dps but with a big advantage in volley damage. Not quite, an Apoc doesn't get the RoF or Dmg bonus that a Tempest does, so 61.251.25 = 9.38 effective weapons when you compare it to an Apoc carrying 8, excluding any dmg mod modules ofcourse. Apoc w/ 1400s outdamages a tempest w/ 1400s and BS 4. Tempest needs BS 5 to beat it, and apoc still has much higher volley damage with 8 guns.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.08.26 16:07:00 - [36] In my defence, I did say without dmg mods. Originally by: Nafri thats where the difference is, tempest has 5 damage mods, apoc 1 more when it fits a RCU True, but I'm not sure if the fitting penalty for a 6th one would make that big of a difference, but yes it would even things up a lot better, DoT would be about the same which makes a mockery of the bonuses that a Tempest gets. Originally by: DrunkenOne Apoc w/ 1400s outdamages a tempest w/ 1400s and BS 4. Tempest needs BS 5 to beat it, and apoc still has much higher volley damage with 8 guns. I was assuming lvl 5 Min BS, yes, with lvl 4 it just makes it even sicker that an apoc can out gun a ship specially designed (bonuses) for a weapon type. I think it would be even sicker if we compared a Megathron that only gets the damage bonus and 425s. And without a doubt, a volley of 8 1400s can cause some serious pain. Yes, after thinking about what you both say here, I have to agree with: Originally by: Fred0 That should be like the pure definition of one overpowered battleship. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2005.08.26 17:41:00 - [37] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 26/08/2005 17:46:17 Edited by: Sir JoJo on 26/08/2005 17:45:55 Edited by: Sir JoJo on 26/08/2005 17:43:05 any decent tempest pilot would beat a apoc whit 1400 on 25% more dammage per gun and 25% rof so 6 guns whit 25 rof and Dammge pretty much out dammge the 8 guns so lets say to make it easy the apocs 1400 do 4 dammage every 10 sec whit 8 guns is 32 dammage evyr 10 sec Tempest pilots then gets 25% rof and dammage so he does 5 dammage whit 6 guns in 7.5 sec thus 30 dammage every 7.5 sec and after 4 apoc volley the temepst are going to hit for its 5 times 432=128 530=150 also to mention when a tempest pilot get a wrecking its gonna be so much more then the apoc its stunning i just used some easy numbers to make the math alot easier. and not to mention the tempest still have 2 high slots more for missile or what u wants... and to the dammage mods... the tempest pilot have so much more basic stats so he will also gain more per dammage mod the % he gains is from a much higer moddifer and he same whit the rof amarr are laser ships keep ot that way and stay away from us minmatars guns. ------------- Be a warrior in game Not on forums -------------
Wild Rho	Posted - 2005.08.26 18:08:00 - [38] Originally by: Deja Thoris Every race is whining - it must be close to balanced. hehe so true. Speaking personally I think the crusader is one of the best inties in the game, just needs a little less standard approach to fitting to make it a powerful killing machine. Amarr aren't overpowered any more than any other race now, it's just different and needs to be fitted and used differntly like any other ship.
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2005.08.26 18:09:00 - [39] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Deirdre Skye Amarr in short = Lots of turrets that don't require much in the way of Ammo, Power Grid, Armor and Capacitor. Wait... ...All other races can easily fit a full rack of their best guns. Megathron easily fits 7 425 II's Tempest fits 6 1400 II's with just a power diag, or nothing with advanced weapon upgrades 5. Apoc can't fit a full rack of Tachyon II's without multiple T2 reactor controls. Lasers also use up a fkload more cap (and the amarr ships slightly larger cap does not make up for this). Atm, in my opinion, the only issue is that projectiles are overpowered.... Yes, their DPS may be equal, but it doesn't take account for things such as (most importantly) projectiles do all damage types, and their longer range. Ohh, so many mistakes: Projectiles do about 20% less DPS, not equal Matari ships have fewer turret hardpoints Projectiles have increadible tracking issues. I cant hit ceptors at 100km, with 3 tracking CPUs. Projectiles have lowest base range, just their falloff is high, and that causes more tracking issues again... ahh well... Enslaver, didnt you read all this stuff again and again before? Then again what is the use of interceptors at 100+km range from their targets?
Mechanix	Posted - 2005.08.26 18:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Deja Thoris Every race is whining - it must be close to balanced. Agreed, we need some "Minmattar ships suck" and "Gallente ships are crap" threads to finish it
Nafri	Posted - 2005.08.26 18:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Nafri Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Deirdre Skye Amarr in short = Lots of turrets that don't require much in the way of Ammo, Power Grid, Armor and Capacitor. Wait... ...All other races can easily fit a full rack of their best guns. Megathron easily fits 7 425 II's Tempest fits 6 1400 II's with just a power diag, or nothing with advanced weapon upgrades 5. Apoc can't fit a full rack of Tachyon II's without multiple T2 reactor controls. Lasers also use up a fkload more cap (and the amarr ships slightly larger cap does not make up for this). Atm, in my opinion, the only issue is that projectiles are overpowered.... Yes, their DPS may be equal, but it doesn't take account for things such as (most importantly) projectiles do all damage types, and their longer range. Ohh, so many mistakes: Projectiles do about 20% less DPS, not equal Matari ships have fewer turret hardpoints Projectiles have increadible tracking issues. I cant hit ceptors at 100km, with 3 tracking CPUs. Projectiles have lowest base range, just their falloff is high, and that causes more tracking issues again... ahh well... Enslaver, didnt you read all this stuff again and again before? Then again what is the use of interceptors at 100+km range from their targets? mhh, not like I can hit them at 5km You know how tracking works? Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.08.26 18:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Meatsim It musts be just you, becus amarr are the best ships in the game. Zaelot needs nerfing, apoc and arma are v goods bs. They donts suck, if anyting tomB should gets his pink stik out Zealot is incredibly overrated, at least in gank setup. The entire ship can be deemed useless by a single tracking disruptor. All turret based ships are rendered useless by tracking disruptors, so thats not really a surpise.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.26 18:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Mechanix Originally by: Deja Thoris Every race is whining - it must be close to balanced. Agreed, we need some "Minmattar ships suck" and "Gallente ships are crap" threads to finish it "Minnie ships suck" is sooo 2004 ;) Gallente have one of the few decent T1 frigs. Maulus for the win \o/ That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.26 18:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Meatsim It musts be just you, becus amarr are the best ships in the game. Zaelot needs nerfing, apoc and arma are v goods bs. They donts suck, if anyting tomB should gets his pink stik out Zealot is incredibly overrated, at least in gank setup. The entire ship can be deemed useless by a single tracking disruptor. All turret based ships are rendered useless by tracking disruptors, so thats not really a surpise. Ssssh. No one is supposed to know about tracking disruptors ;) Dampers are nearly as effective, with my celestis I reduced an omens lock range to around 5km. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
infused	Posted - 2005.08.26 22:38:00 - [45] Edited by: infused on 26/08/2005 22:43:55 Originally by: Ramuh Using amarr bs is a good idea. Fighting me is not. It wouldn't have mattered what ship you were in, you would have died anyway in those circumstances. This was not in reaction to our fight, and you seem to forget a few days ago when you almost went pop. Originally by: Shin Ra Thing is a full rack for an Apoc is 8, mega is 7 and tempest 6. If it was so easy to fit a full rack of t2 tachs then the other guys would complain about not having 8 turret points. Also, tempests do have the longest range in terms of being able to hit things, however megas have a higher optimal and lower falloff which gives it better hits at long range. If you fit a full rack on a apoc or geddon and kit it out with dmg mods, you will be poped in a seconds if you screw up. Theres no room for anything else. [EvE Domination] YARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2005.08.26 22:48:00 - [46] Easy demonstration of the balance in this game: Simply ask "Whats the best ship" and guarenteed you will get very different answers. Thats balance right there. If this game wasnt balanced then everyone would fly the same ships. =============================================== I will punch you with my laser! -Scoundrelus
infused	Posted - 2005.08.26 22:51:00 - [47] ^^ I have no experience with any other races ships other than that of minmtar, so probably. [EvE Domination] YARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Mangold	Posted - 2005.08.26 23:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Deja Thoris Every race is whining - it must be close to balanced. That's it.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.08.26 23:13:00 - [49] Amarr dreadnought is ship of choice of Eris Discordia. Do you really need a better proof for superiority of Amarr ships? ^^

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.26 23:15:00 - [50] As a minmatar I have to say the only good Amarr is a dead one I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

infused	Posted - 2005.08.26 23:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Eris Discordia As a minmatar I have to say the only good Amarr is a dead one ^^ Pff, atleast our ships don't smell like rubbish dumps. You think everyone runs away in fear, they run away because you stink :P [EvE Domination] YARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.26 23:25:00 - [52] Originally by: infused Originally by: Eris Discordia As a minmatar I have to say the only good Amarr is a dead one ^^ Pff, atleast our ships don't smell like rubbish dumps. It's part of our training, if we can handle the smell of our ships we can handle the smell of stuck up Amarr and their ridiculous Pax booky. Originally by: infused You think everyone runs away in fear, they run away because you stink :P Excuses, excuses You are still the ones running I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

Chief Wompum	Posted - 2005.08.26 23:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Deja Thoris Every race is whining - it must be close to balanced. LOL I can here the devs now, I think we got it balanced now, they are all pss'd at us ..... "I make white women cry" Chief Wompum, collecting scalps since 1810..
Acwron	Posted - 2005.08.27 02:20:00 - [54] Originally by: Fred0 Haha Enslaver... Amarr battleships are way overpowered. You can fit Projectiles on an apoc and run neck and neck with a tempest in dps but with a big advantage in volley damage. Acctually the dps of a Tempest (5, T¦ all the way) is a bit higher but how cares about DPS anyway when you are talking about ROF >8 seconds. An Apoc with with 1400 T¦ rips trough an untanked BS in 3 Volleys (around 22 to 23 seconds) while and Tempest needs 4 Volleys (24-25 seconds). But of course you still have more midslots and two highs left when using a Tempest. It's a good choice when you don't have Tempest 5 but can you use T¦ 1400er for fleetbattles. So like... hardly ever. :) Ain't it great posting off topic? PS: the balance overall is pretty much the best it ever was.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.08.27 02:41:00 - [55] Edited by: Meridius on 27/08/2005 02:42:06 I'm a fairly happy Amarri That said, there are a lot of Amarri ships that are indeed crap. I don't want to get into that in here tho so whatever. ________________________________________________________
Plekto	Posted - 2005.08.27 03:00:00 - [56] Amarr have some of the best ships in the game. So much so that I routinely fit mine with railguns, there's so much leftover powergrid. And plenty of low slots, too, so they tank like an Armadillo. When you see an Amarr BS ignoring three "rats" in 0.0 space simply by turning on two armor repairers, you suddenly see them in a new light.(equiv to getting 3 BS drones at once). We're talking about 0 effective damage to armor for hours at a time while mining with 7-8 miner IIs.(one man personal mining fleet)
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.08.27 03:30:00 - [57] I agree on the balance issue. As far as I'm concerned we have the best balance ever. Every race out there has ships that are great, and others that are rarely used. For Minmatar Frigates, the Rifter and Vigil are still used widely. The Slasher.....only for making Intys, and when's the last time you felt threatened by a Bellicose cruiser? Meanwhile Stabbers and Ruptures still make many large ship pilots cringe. We all have good and bad. Sarkos Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Zenst	Posted - 2005.08.27 03:59:00 - [58] Nope its just you. Amarr have some fine fine ships if you fit em up right, very flexiable and if I was starting from scratch I would prolly specialise in min/amarr instead of gal/cal.
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.08.27 05:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Chief Wompum Originally by: Deja Thoris Every race is whining - it must be close to balanced. LOL I can here the devs now, I think we got it balanced now, they are all pss'd at us ..... I have to sign both of these comments -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.27 07:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Eris Discordia As a minmatar I have to say the only good Amarr is a dead one Yet more examples of CONCORD's anti-Amarr propoganda. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.

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