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The Gank
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Posted - 2005.08.26 16:41:00 -
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ive been away from eve a while and i was not surprised to see crows nerfed. Unfortunatly this is what i specificaly trained for. although it seems they have just stamped a lable on NERF CALDARI altogther. as a precaution i did train to fly the taranis. i flew it once before with blasters but on my return i hear lots about rails. i know the taranis is a top inty but how do you Equip it?
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:15:00 -
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Crow wasn't nerfed it was boosted.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Balistic Void
Crow wasn't nerfed it was boosted.
It was nerfed, badly. I don't fancy any crows chances against anything other than an Ares. Unless you Gistii fit it, then its just a more expensive loss
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Originally by: Balistic Void
Crow wasn't nerfed it was boosted.
It was nerfed, badly. I don't fancy any crows chances against anything other than an Ares. Unless you Gistii fit it, then its just a more expensive loss
You obviously haven't fought any crows postpatch. Its easilly the best 1v1 inty now.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:29:00 -
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I have, and i chewed them all up. Mostly using Blasteranis. Maybe I just haven't fought a competent pilot or whatnot, but when you manage to bear down on a crow with MWD and kill it before it even pierces the meagre shields of a Taranis, you get pretty jaded on the crows performance.
I fly them myself, and theres no way i'd throw it against a gun ceptor now
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Balistic Void on 26/08/2005 18:13:22
Consider this a challenge (to bazman), name your place and time. Oh, and don't bring a blaster-ranis, I may die from laughing too much.
Back on topic: Don't put blasters on your Taranis, use t2 125s.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:30:00 -
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Sure, but i don't know why you might die laughing against blasteranis', they're great :p
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:53:00 -
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It's on :) Tomorrow after 1pm, somewhere in Curse! Crow vs Bazman, who will win..... watch this space sportsfans!
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:00:00 -
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1m on ballistic any takers?
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: danneh
1m on ballistic any takers?
naah betting against that would most likely be a loss.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:18:00 -
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Someone fraps it \o/
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:27:00 -
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I'm not too bothered if i'm proved wrong, at least it will shake my belief that Crows are completely gimped. Any salvation for Caldari PVP ships is good :P
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Caanan
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:35:00 -
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Crows are in no way gimped, in fact crows are the only inty that gives my taranis a problem. Though I think the tactics crows have to use now to survive are lame.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:51:00 -
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"Though I think the tactics crows have to use now to survive are lame."
... what tactics would that be? o.o;
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Bracius
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:56:00 -
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rockets + plate = sick.
No way that it is gimped.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:04:00 -
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ahh, that =)
it's not so bad... now, plate + repairer, that would be sick ;s
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Originally by: Balistic Void
Crow wasn't nerfed it was boosted.
It was nerfed, badly. I don't fancy any crows chances against anything other than an Ares. Unless you Gistii fit it, then its just a more expensive loss
u must be absolutely crazy the only ranis i lost to after patch with my crow was one with 400mm rolled tungsten, dual webs and blasters and still he blew me up right as my lasts volley popped him....Props on the fight btw to DREDD. Crow is sick now for 1v1
rapid launch and rocket spec lvl 5 ftw 
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Oriana Fallaci
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Posted - 2005.08.26 21:07:00 -
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Youre talking about short range setups here?
Cause ive done quite a l¾t of test server duels with my long range claw and i have been defeating crows with no real problems.
I got optimal at 12km with 280mms (phased plasma) and mwdII + overdrive.
Unless a crow finds a way to catch up with me (quite difficult), i always keep them at this distance, and just take them out real quick, as their rockets dont have this range, and light missiles suck.
Cant imagine how a crow would beat a setup that forces it to fight at 11km+, same goes prolly versus taranis with rails.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.26 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 26/08/2005 21:08:45
Originally by: Bazman
Sure, but i don't know why you might die laughing against blasteranis', they're great :p
Well, he will kill you while losing maybe 5-10% shields, depending on the type of light drones you use.
Originally by: Oriana Fallaci
Youre talking about short range setups here?
Cause ive done quite a l¾t of test server duels with my long range claw and i have been defeating crows with no real problems.
I got optimal at 12km with 280mms (phased plasma) and mwdII + overdrive.
Unless a crow finds a way to catch up with me (quite difficult), i always keep them at this distance, and just take them out real quick, as their rockets dont have this range, and light missiles suck.
Cant imagine how a crow would beat a setup that forces it to fight at 11km+, same goes prolly versus taranis with rails.
A crow might not beat you, but you wont beat him either, unless the pilot is an idiot. A well flown crow might not always win, but it wont lose.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.26 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 26/08/2005 21:32:11
meh, nvm. will rather watch where it goes... :s
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Oriana Fallaci
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Posted - 2005.08.26 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Oriana Fallaci on 26/08/2005 22:12:53
Edited by: Oriana Fallaci on 26/08/2005 22:11:43
Quote:
A crow might not beat you, but you wont beat him either, unless the pilot is an idiot. A well flown crow might not always win, but it wont lose.
Well I agree my test server scenario is of course not really representative, as hardly anybody quits a fight when facing the counter setup there.
Still, do not underestimate a salvo of phased plasma ammo or fusion(low resist on crow), often youd have to realize your outgunned very quick or its too late...
And Warp Disruptors might also be an option.
However, I agree that it is a really demanding task to defeat a crow, you gotta keep him in 10km-20km all the time and take him down really quick, as your cap will run out else. And once you get below 10km, youre dead in a matter of seconds.
Still, if you dont get lag and have a decent connection, a crow does not stand a chance IMO.
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Mr Stargate
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Posted - 2005.08.28 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Balistic Void
It's on :) Tomorrow after 1pm, somewhere in Curse! Crow vs Bazman, who will win..... watch this space sportsfans!
dont forget to post the results :p
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Marlz
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Posted - 2005.08.28 15:21:00 -
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Id really like to hear more about blasters vs. rails.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.28 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Marlz
Id really like to hear more about blasters vs. rails.
If you use Blasters, be smart about it, lure ships to follow you by warping to planets, don't engage if you know your going to have to approach your target while webbed from 10km and so forth.
Rails are nice, but you need speed, most common rail taranis setups don't have a webber, so you need to stay above 10km. If you can dictate the range of the fight with greater speed, you should be able to keep another inty within warp disrupter distance and kill him.
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za3phyr
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Posted - 2005.08.28 21:57:00 -
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slapp speaking:
Crow can easily be the best ceptor ingame.
3*standard launcher
gistii mwd
28km warp disruptor
and then fill all the other slots with speed/cap modules
simple.
any poor soul, that engages you, dies.
(for even bigger bbqing, use tracking disruptor on 3rd med slot)
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.28 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: za3phyr
slapp speaking:
Crow can easily be the best ceptor ingame.
3*standard launcher
gistii mwd
28km warp disruptor
and then fill all the other slots with speed/cap modules
simple.
any poor soul, that engages you, dies.
(for even bigger bbqing, use tracking disruptor on 3rd med slot)
That setup sucks vs intys, as standard missiles do **** all damage unless they are webbed.
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DeathForMeh
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Posted - 2005.08.28 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Sure, but i don't know why you might die laughing against blasteranis', they're great :p
Becuse there range is so funky they do worst damge then 125's at just about any range.
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.08.29 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mangus Thermopyle on 29/08/2005 12:12:09
Originally by: za3phyr
slapp speaking:
Crow can easily be the best ceptor ingame.
3*standard launcher
gistii mwd
28km warp disruptor
and then fill all the other slots with speed/cap modules
simple.
any poor soul, that engages you, dies.
(for even bigger bbqing, use tracking disruptor on 3rd med slot)
LOL, your DPS with this setup against another ceptor is what? 5? :)
I am pretty sure that every ceptor in the game can tank a whopping 5 damage/sec :)
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2005.08.29 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Creamster
Edited by: Creamster on 29/08/2005 15:30:07
If you're worried about standart missiles damage fit a target painter.  za3phyr's crow is ok but bloody expensive. Also it's useful for fighting bigger ships
^^beat me in hs crow vs blasterranis...i wans;t in the best fit but crows are deffo better now...pre-patch i would have chewed them up
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.08.29 15:56:00 -
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Only way to win crow now are long range intys... with 3 med slots.
Simply crow is not fast enough... and u slowly chew his ass while he tries to web u... but somehow u need to have better web/navigation than he has.
Also crusader with 400mm plate and gatling guns might be able to do it, but there is no way to scramble... and no web is way to die.
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.08.29 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Angelus X on 29/08/2005 17:33:06
I disagree about them being STRONGER post-patch, as the increase in fitting requirements is a pain in the *SS. However they are far from "rubbish".
/me gives DrunkenOne a cookie
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.08.30 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
If the target is MWDing non-webbed inty, the damage of standard missiles isn't limited by target's signature size, but by their speed.
Target painter will help jack sh.t here.
Target painter is just another option for the 3rd slot. A competent crow pilot will maintain 10+ km range even w/o a web (especially with a gisti mwd fitted), why not fit something that adds to your damage and helps your partners.
Also it's possible for a standart missile to catch an enemy inty when it's decelerating and inflict some decent damage (not full) As long as you own inty doesn't take any damage you're winning right?
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.08.30 08:09:00 -
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So, who won the duel? Tactics used? Tell us everything!
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Star Dog
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:03:00 -
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This is BV (account has gone inactive damnit). We were both too lazy to organise a meetup since we're on the opposite sides of the game. Still trying to organise it :)
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:48:00 -
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Yeah, we're litterally on the opposite side of the galaxy from each other and we never seem to be online at the same time either. If all else fails i'm happy enough to try it out in sisi since its easy enough to find each other in PF-346 :P
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:03:00 -
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"Target painter is just another option for the 3rd slot. A competent crow pilot will maintain 10+ km range even w/o a web (especially with a gisti mwd fitted), why not fit something that adds to your damage and helps your partners."
Uhmm because like said already, it doesn't add to your damage with light missiles against MWD'ing target? If it's to help other people then fine, but originally you're saying that's supposed to fix damage problems of 'your' ship firing the light missiles...
"Also it's possible for a standart missile to catch an enemy inty when it's decelerating and inflict some decent damage (not full) "
Sure, except you don't need the painter for it, and it'll work as long as the other pilot is incompetent enough to actually decelerate in presence of faster interceptor with light missiles, for longer than couple of seconds. Dunno, but a weapon that requires the target's incompetence in order to be useful... that sounds hardly reliable, does it? ^^;;
"As long as you own inty doesn't take any damage you're winning right?"
No, as long as your damage is laughable and you aren't taking the damage yourself, it's stalemate... :/
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.08.30 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"Also it's possible for a standart missile to catch an enemy inty when it's decelerating and inflict some decent damage (not full) "
Sure, except you don't need the painter for it, and it'll work as long as the other pilot is incompetent enough to actually decelerate in presence of faster interceptor with light missiles, for longer than couple of seconds. Dunno, but a weapon that requires the target's incompetence in order to be useful... that sounds hardly reliable, does it? ^^;;
Forget about the painter. It might help under certain circumstances but it's not a fix for standart missiles damage vs mwd'ing inties at full speed. I don't see a problem here: even if your opponent is laughing what are his options? Go in a streight line and smack talk or try to close-in and eat some damage. It's up to you to catch him when he's decelerating.
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Dampfschlaghammer
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Posted - 2005.08.30 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 30/08/2005 16:03:31
I dont see the point of such a light missile crow.
It will never be able to shoot down another ceptor UNLESS the pilot is an idiot. Of course, it can in most cases (not all) keep the other guy at range.
But in order for it to actually score kills you need a retarded enemy that flies in a straight line behind you, knowing that he will never get into range, and knowing that you will very slowly take him down.
If your ceptor versus another ceptors is to have any use, then you need to enable it to shoot down its opponent.
You can do that either by
a) warp scrambling enemy, and outspeeding it to keep it in scramble range, and finally outdamaging it at this range.
b) overcoming him so quickly with huge damage that he is too surprised (too slow) to flee.
Now b) is obviously not available to the light missile crow, as it simply does not deal good damage.
a) Is also not really an option as well. Even if you succed at manoeuvring your enemy in 10-20km with a MWD, so that he cant hit you but you keep him in scrambler range, you will only do crappy damage. I dont think a crow can sustain a 20km scrambler and a MWD for a time long enough to allow this crappy damage to take the enemy down.
Thus, the biggest problem with the light missile crow is that there is NO other inty it can beat.
The other problem is that range intys specifically designed to beat speed interceptors can own it easily.
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