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Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 17:42:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure if this can go here, or if this should go in the Ship Fittings section... feels like a crossover. Anyway. What ships are good for soloing C3s, and how would you fit them? I can fly Amarr and Gallente through HAC's and T3s. I currently own a Zealot, but I don't have the ISK for a T3 yet. So... suggestions?
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 0	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:03:00 - [2] - Quote Shield boosting drake Faction fit passive tengu with no prop mod Faction fit proteus with drone sub You and your friends in self repping faction fit battle cruisers Two navy domis with faction tank Faction fit Hyperion Faction fit anything really, especially your noctis
Rall Mekin Jadablade S E D I T I O N 26	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote Trolls aside, C3s are where you either need to get a good, well tanked solid ship or get in a fleet. -Honestly, as passive drake will do the job, albeit slowly. -Active tengu is better (and put a prop mod on it). -Legion will work, but range is terribad -Battleship with solid tank will work Watch Dscan for probes and ships. Try not to die.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:59:00 - [4] - Quote "-Legion will work, but range is terribad" Just sit on a spawn point, sleepers usually approach you anyway. Its a mid-range ship, its not like its using blasters. Terribad isn't the word I'd choose.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1232	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:06:00 - [5] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: "-Legion will work, but range is terribad" Just sit on a spawn point, sleepers usually approach you anyway. Its a mid-range ship, its not like its using blasters. Terribad isn't the word I'd choose. Solo legion can give a solo tengu a run for its money if piloted well. Once you learn where the waves spawn in a site. Main reason is that C3 sites still have a fair number of frigs and cruisers. And the legion just melts them faster than a tengu.
Eli Green The Arrow Project 559	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:17:00 - [6] - Quote Fully T2 Legion will get you through an FFS no problem, I usually run them like this: Initial wave: -burn towards frigates and pop both, -pop the cruiser further to the left (facing the sleeper station thing) -when the last cruiser gets into structure start burning right Wave 2: -pop ONE of the upholders (use scorch if your to far away, although with practice you should be able to grab one at 10km) helps to deal with webbing -pop both defenders -finish off the last upholder using scorch, while burning towards the left (relative to the warp in) Wave 3: -approach the BS and orbit at 7.5km -pop the upholder (yes the preserver does RR but popping this guy lets you get closer and mitigate BS damage faster) -pop the preserver -pop the BS, followed by the 2 defenders as always, watch D-scan, and bookmark for clean-up wumbo
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 1	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1232	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:57:00 - [8] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3. Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged. A perfect pair is a tengu/legion.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:10:00 - [9] - Quote I can't see a reason why a 100MN legion fit wouldn't work in an anom. Decent damage, range is ok due to its speed countering webs, can't dual rep but one works fine for anoms, very strong capacitor.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 1	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:11:00 - [10] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3. Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged. A perfect pair is a tengu/legion. Were talking solo here - if you've got great cap skills, then yes, I could see that being partially true. Depends on the sites as well - some a legion will be completely nueted out no matter what.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:13:00 - [11] - Quote There's only one site I'd be hesitant to throw a 1B legion at, and its the 1400 DPS grav site with lots of neuting. And I think if one were to spend a little bit more, and pop an exile booster it would do fine.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:18:00 - [12] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:24:00 - [13] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:27:00 - [14] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal. Good point, I forgot how little DPS that site does. You're pretty stable with only one repper running. Doesn't help OP though - unless he gets the isk for a T3. Knowing OP personally, I'd say logging on and participating in group isk making might have solved that problem.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 222	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:31:00 - [15] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. With mindlinked armor links you can make a legion that tanks comfortably over 1400dps with enough cap stability you'll never get neuted out aslong as you get on with killing the sleepers. My main concern with that kinda fit tho is it will take quite a lot longer to kill sleeper battleships than a tengu would even tho it can kill frigs and cruisers stupidly fast. EDIT: Tho if your running links you may be better off just putting that char in a ship that can be in the site killing stuff too to make it even quicker :S
Malkev GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM 59	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:46:00 - [16] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal. Confirming, never had problems with range/tank. Legion is great for C3s, but it doesn't make soloing any less boring. Fly with a group.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:53:00 - [17] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal. Good point, I forgot how little DPS that site does. You're pretty stable with only one repper running. Doesn't help OP though - unless he gets the isk for a T3. Knowing OP personally, I'd say logging on and participating in group isk making might have solved that problem. My goal is Frontier database http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=UnsecuredFrontierDatabase I think I'll have to put that one mag site on the shelf until I know more about my ship's limits. And my willingness to invest in my ship.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:35:00 - [18] - Quote Thank you all for the replies! So obviously Caldari are freaking awesome for Wormholes, which I have understood. Unfortunately, when I began training a long time ago, I didn't go for Caldari - and I'm not exactly able to make the switch in short time. That being said, I'm hearing that the Legion is awesome - any fittings? It would also seem that the Zealot would be really good with the right fitting, am I correct? I know I heard of some guy who used to solo a lot of C3s before the neut changes, but I haven't heard anything about after all of the changes.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:47:00 - [19] - Quote Mortrius wrote: Thank you all for the replies! So obviously Caldari are freaking awesome for Wormholes, which I have understood. Unfortunately, when I began training a long time ago, I didn't go for Caldari - and I'm not exactly able to make the switch in short time. That being said, I'm hearing that the Legion is awesome - any fittings? It would also seem that the Zealot would be really good with the right fitting, am I correct? I know I heard of some guy who used to solo a lot of C3s before the neut changes, but I haven't heard anything about after all of the changes. I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:52:00 - [20] - Quote Hah, yes, I recall now. It's been quite a long time since I've seen you though, thank you for jogging my memory :D What's your C3-capable Drake skillplan then? Though I will say, I'm still interested in running armor in wormholes for the time being.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:09:00 - [21] - Quote Mortrius wrote: Hah, yes, I recall now. It's been quite a long time since I've seen you though, thank you for jogging my memory :D What's your C3-capable Drake skillplan then? Though I will say, I'm still interested in running armor in wormholes for the time being. Honestly dude, the only reason not to use the legion is price - oh you'll make the isk for it, but running sites solo gets you ganked. Same goes for any solo ship in a c3. You're better off running c2 sites solo until you can afford the legion. If you've got an alt, do 2 rr domis with sentries. If you can't do that, just join a WH corp that is active in your preferred hours.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:11:00 - [22] - Quote Gotcha. The advice is appreciated.
Fred P The Silent Ones Holding Corp The Silent One's 0	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:18:00 - [23] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p Would you care to share that skill plan? And perhaps a fit? Not that "train missile skills and ship skills" is too difficult a concept, but I'd like to know what constituted c3 capable.
lilith silverstone The Arrow Project 35	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:34:00 - [24] - Quote You do realize that a Legion with a cap battery won't get neuter out by the sleepers on the hands of any pilot with an ounce of brains and anyone can get ganked in a site (yes even the mighty tengu/sarcasm) if you don't watch dscan. Furthermore if training cladari for PVE limits what you can do PVE or PVP wise in c5+ where it's mostly all armour. Unless of course you want to be relegated to jamming tengu, or bait drake.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:55:00 - [25] - Quote lilith silverstone wrote: You do realize that a Legion with a cap battery won't get neuter out by the sleepers on the hands of any pilot with an ounce of brains and anyone can get ganked in a site (yes even the mighty tengu/sarcasm) if you don't watch dscan. Furthermore if training cladari for PVE limits what you can do PVE or PVP wise in c5+ where it's mostly all armour. Unless of course you want to be relegated to jamming tengu, or bait drake. Interesting stuff. If I'm armor then, what do I work towards while in a C3 to get to a Legion? EDIT: And if that's the case and all of these other people who are saying that a Legion WILL get capped out, what fitting are you using to prevent that? They seem to have different experiences.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:21:00 - [26] - Quote Mortrius wrote: lilith silverstone wrote: You do realize that a Legion with a cap battery won't get neuter out by the sleepers on the hands of any pilot with an ounce of brains and anyone can get ganked in a site (yes even the mighty tengu/sarcasm) if you don't watch dscan. Furthermore if training cladari for PVE limits what you can do PVE or PVP wise in c5+ where it's mostly all armour. Unless of course you want to be relegated to jamming tengu, or bait drake. Interesting stuff. If I'm armor then, what do I work towards while in a C3 to get to a Legion? EDIT: And if that's the case and all of these other people who are saying that a Legion WILL get capped out, what fitting are you using to prevent that? They seem to have different experiences. To be fair, the last time I did c3s was before the cap battery change as well.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:22:00 - [27] - Quote Fred P wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p Would you care to share that skill plan? And perhaps a fit? Not that "train missile skills and ship skills" is too difficult a concept, but I'd like to know what constituted c3 capable. Be able to fit tech 2 shield modules, and have your missile projection skills and skills that effect flight time to 4. You need at least 130ish regen solo, less if in a group.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:31:00 - [28] - Quote I actually have those skills, surprisingly! Do you have a fitting recommendation then? Also, your help really is very much appreciated.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1232	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:57:00 - [29] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3. Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged. A perfect pair is a tengu/legion. Were talking solo here - if you've got great cap skills, then yes, I could see that being partially true. Depends on the sites as well - some a legion will be completely nueted out no matter what. So was I. Yes we ran together, but he also ran solo. And we raced solo each running the same site on our own. His legion could solo all four anoms. He did say he occasionally overheated the tank. But we kept paste at the pos so it was all good. This was his fit. Which is also good proof that running purely solo will eventually end up in a gank http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14774279
Azael Maken Sanity's Refuge 0	Posted - 2013.03.22 03:38:00 - [30] - Quote My Legion pilot runs this fit: [Legion] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Heat Sink Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network I used to run a Tracking Computer but now find it unnecessary. After you run each anom a couple times you memorized all the spawns, and you're never out of Scorch range (38k). This runs all anoms in your sleep. I started with a lesser armor repper and another EAM instead of the 3rd heat sink until I could afford it. I solo Radars and Mags as well in it, and if there are more than 1 to run I do the same thing with the extra EAM in place of the heat sink. While you're learning to solo the heavier neuting stuff like Radars and Mags, I'd even recommend swapping out another Heat Sink for a CPR. The DPS hit hurts, but you won't get caught capped out and out a 1.5 bil ship. I haven't "raced" against another tengu, but I do fly with them frequently and their DPS is not even close on Cruisers and Frigs, which there are a lot of in C3s. I've always heard they do more DPS against BS, but I'm not even sure that's true. WIth implats I'm hitting 597dps with conflag, which does fine on BS and Cruisers. I'm no authority on Tengu's, but I'd say the range advantage is a non factor, as well as neuting. To me, the benefit seems to be more the lesser cost than anything else. Like you, I started in a Zealot running C2s. I even ran it in C3s, although I lost a few learning spawns and in the long run really wasn't worth it. I think you'll probably hate the C3 drake after flying the Zealot. It'll be slower both DPS and speed wise, and boring. I doubt you'll make more money with it, because you could probably clear anoms and sigs in a C2 fast enough in a zealot to make up for the difference. Personally, I'd stick with the Zealot until you can afford a couple Legions (or one if you dare). I found it to be very worth it. You will probably burn out soloing though, I know I did.

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