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Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 17:42:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure if this can go here, or if this should go in the Ship Fittings section... feels like a crossover. Anyway. What ships are good for soloing C3s, and how would you fit them? I can fly Amarr and Gallente through HAC's and T3s. I currently own a Zealot, but I don't have the ISK for a T3 yet. So... suggestions?
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 0	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:03:00 - [2] - Quote Shield boosting drake Faction fit passive tengu with no prop mod Faction fit proteus with drone sub You and your friends in self repping faction fit battle cruisers Two navy domis with faction tank Faction fit Hyperion Faction fit anything really, especially your noctis
Rall Mekin Jadablade S E D I T I O N 26	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote Trolls aside, C3s are where you either need to get a good, well tanked solid ship or get in a fleet. -Honestly, as passive drake will do the job, albeit slowly. -Active tengu is better (and put a prop mod on it). -Legion will work, but range is terribad -Battleship with solid tank will work Watch Dscan for probes and ships. Try not to die.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 18:59:00 - [4] - Quote "-Legion will work, but range is terribad" Just sit on a spawn point, sleepers usually approach you anyway. Its a mid-range ship, its not like its using blasters. Terribad isn't the word I'd choose.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1232	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:06:00 - [5] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: "-Legion will work, but range is terribad" Just sit on a spawn point, sleepers usually approach you anyway. Its a mid-range ship, its not like its using blasters. Terribad isn't the word I'd choose. Solo legion can give a solo tengu a run for its money if piloted well. Once you learn where the waves spawn in a site. Main reason is that C3 sites still have a fair number of frigs and cruisers. And the legion just melts them faster than a tengu.
Eli Green The Arrow Project 559	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:17:00 - [6] - Quote Fully T2 Legion will get you through an FFS no problem, I usually run them like this: Initial wave: -burn towards frigates and pop both, -pop the cruiser further to the left (facing the sleeper station thing) -when the last cruiser gets into structure start burning right Wave 2: -pop ONE of the upholders (use scorch if your to far away, although with practice you should be able to grab one at 10km) helps to deal with webbing -pop both defenders -finish off the last upholder using scorch, while burning towards the left (relative to the warp in) Wave 3: -approach the BS and orbit at 7.5km -pop the upholder (yes the preserver does RR but popping this guy lets you get closer and mitigate BS damage faster) -pop the preserver -pop the BS, followed by the 2 defenders as always, watch D-scan, and bookmark for clean-up wumbo
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 1	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1232	Posted - 2013.03.21 19:57:00 - [8] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3. Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged. A perfect pair is a tengu/legion.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:10:00 - [9] - Quote I can't see a reason why a 100MN legion fit wouldn't work in an anom. Decent damage, range is ok due to its speed countering webs, can't dual rep but one works fine for anoms, very strong capacitor.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 1	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:11:00 - [10] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3. Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged. A perfect pair is a tengu/legion. Were talking solo here - if you've got great cap skills, then yes, I could see that being partially true. Depends on the sites as well - some a legion will be completely nueted out no matter what.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:13:00 - [11] - Quote There's only one site I'd be hesitant to throw a 1B legion at, and its the 1400 DPS grav site with lots of neuting. And I think if one were to spend a little bit more, and pop an exile booster it would do fine.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:18:00 - [12] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:24:00 - [13] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:27:00 - [14] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal. Good point, I forgot how little DPS that site does. You're pretty stable with only one repper running. Doesn't help OP though - unless he gets the isk for a T3. Knowing OP personally, I'd say logging on and participating in group isk making might have solved that problem.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 222	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:31:00 - [15] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. With mindlinked armor links you can make a legion that tanks comfortably over 1400dps with enough cap stability you'll never get neuted out aslong as you get on with killing the sleepers. My main concern with that kinda fit tho is it will take quite a lot longer to kill sleeper battleships than a tengu would even tho it can kill frigs and cruisers stupidly fast. EDIT: Tho if your running links you may be better off just putting that char in a ship that can be in the site killing stuff too to make it even quicker :S
Malkev GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM 59	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:46:00 - [16] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal. Confirming, never had problems with range/tank. Legion is great for C3s, but it doesn't make soloing any less boring. Fly with a group.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 20:53:00 - [17] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: Edit: actually no, I'd still hesitate on the 1400 DPS site. Looking back at pyfa the 1B figure was just my bad memory at work. I'd put isk on an oruze nesting out a laser rep legion. Easily. I don't think it could tank most c3 mags either. You'd lose the ISK then because I solo oruze without capping out. Now, did I do it leaving one of my reps off? I can't remember. I know I don't even need both for that low DPS site. Anyway I haven't even upgraded my cap control circuit yet. Its really not that big a deal. Good point, I forgot how little DPS that site does. You're pretty stable with only one repper running. Doesn't help OP though - unless he gets the isk for a T3. Knowing OP personally, I'd say logging on and participating in group isk making might have solved that problem. My goal is Frontier database http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=UnsecuredFrontierDatabase I think I'll have to put that one mag site on the shelf until I know more about my ship's limits. And my willingness to invest in my ship.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:35:00 - [18] - Quote Thank you all for the replies! So obviously Caldari are freaking awesome for Wormholes, which I have understood. Unfortunately, when I began training a long time ago, I didn't go for Caldari - and I'm not exactly able to make the switch in short time. That being said, I'm hearing that the Legion is awesome - any fittings? It would also seem that the Zealot would be really good with the right fitting, am I correct? I know I heard of some guy who used to solo a lot of C3s before the neut changes, but I haven't heard anything about after all of the changes.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:47:00 - [19] - Quote Mortrius wrote: Thank you all for the replies! So obviously Caldari are freaking awesome for Wormholes, which I have understood. Unfortunately, when I began training a long time ago, I didn't go for Caldari - and I'm not exactly able to make the switch in short time. That being said, I'm hearing that the Legion is awesome - any fittings? It would also seem that the Zealot would be really good with the right fitting, am I correct? I know I heard of some guy who used to solo a lot of C3s before the neut changes, but I haven't heard anything about after all of the changes. I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 22:52:00 - [20] - Quote Hah, yes, I recall now. It's been quite a long time since I've seen you though, thank you for jogging my memory :D What's your C3-capable Drake skillplan then? Though I will say, I'm still interested in running armor in wormholes for the time being.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:09:00 - [21] - Quote Mortrius wrote: Hah, yes, I recall now. It's been quite a long time since I've seen you though, thank you for jogging my memory :D What's your C3-capable Drake skillplan then? Though I will say, I'm still interested in running armor in wormholes for the time being. Honestly dude, the only reason not to use the legion is price - oh you'll make the isk for it, but running sites solo gets you ganked. Same goes for any solo ship in a c3. You're better off running c2 sites solo until you can afford the legion. If you've got an alt, do 2 rr domis with sentries. If you can't do that, just join a WH corp that is active in your preferred hours.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:11:00 - [22] - Quote Gotcha. The advice is appreciated.
Fred P The Silent Ones Holding Corp The Silent One's 0	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:18:00 - [23] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p Would you care to share that skill plan? And perhaps a fit? Not that "train missile skills and ship skills" is too difficult a concept, but I'd like to know what constituted c3 capable.
lilith silverstone The Arrow Project 35	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:34:00 - [24] - Quote You do realize that a Legion with a cap battery won't get neuter out by the sleepers on the hands of any pilot with an ounce of brains and anyone can get ganked in a site (yes even the mighty tengu/sarcasm) if you don't watch dscan. Furthermore if training cladari for PVE limits what you can do PVE or PVP wise in c5+ where it's mostly all armour. Unless of course you want to be relegated to jamming tengu, or bait drake.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.21 23:55:00 - [25] - Quote lilith silverstone wrote: You do realize that a Legion with a cap battery won't get neuter out by the sleepers on the hands of any pilot with an ounce of brains and anyone can get ganked in a site (yes even the mighty tengu/sarcasm) if you don't watch dscan. Furthermore if training cladari for PVE limits what you can do PVE or PVP wise in c5+ where it's mostly all armour. Unless of course you want to be relegated to jamming tengu, or bait drake. Interesting stuff. If I'm armor then, what do I work towards while in a C3 to get to a Legion? EDIT: And if that's the case and all of these other people who are saying that a Legion WILL get capped out, what fitting are you using to prevent that? They seem to have different experiences.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:21:00 - [26] - Quote Mortrius wrote: lilith silverstone wrote: You do realize that a Legion with a cap battery won't get neuter out by the sleepers on the hands of any pilot with an ounce of brains and anyone can get ganked in a site (yes even the mighty tengu/sarcasm) if you don't watch dscan. Furthermore if training cladari for PVE limits what you can do PVE or PVP wise in c5+ where it's mostly all armour. Unless of course you want to be relegated to jamming tengu, or bait drake. Interesting stuff. If I'm armor then, what do I work towards while in a C3 to get to a Legion? EDIT: And if that's the case and all of these other people who are saying that a Legion WILL get capped out, what fitting are you using to prevent that? They seem to have different experiences. To be fair, the last time I did c3s was before the cap battery change as well.
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:22:00 - [27] - Quote Fred P wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: I seriously doubt you could after the neutrino changes of almost two years ago. It's not even close to the legion in the tank department. Also, I told you when you joined MTCI to train Caldari if you were serious about WH PVE. Matter of fact, I came up with a skill plan at the time that put 0 sp toons in c3 capable drake in 3-4 weeks. It's not too late :p Would you care to share that skill plan? And perhaps a fit? Not that "train missile skills and ship skills" is too difficult a concept, but I'd like to know what constituted c3 capable. Be able to fit tech 2 shield modules, and have your missile projection skills and skills that effect flight time to 4. You need at least 130ish regen solo, less if in a group.
Mortrius Jungle Kings 21	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:31:00 - [28] - Quote I actually have those skills, surprisingly! Do you have a fitting recommendation then? Also, your help really is very much appreciated.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1232	Posted - 2013.03.22 00:57:00 - [29] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: Trolling aside, get a tengu for solo c3s. Nothing else competes, certainly not a cap hungry laser repping legion. I have wondered how a 100mn HAM Legion would work... Considering you don't have the isk, I'd suggest running incursions, exploration, or solo c2 sites and save up for a T3. Have you tried it? Because I have with a legion friend of mine. We have raced anoms and the legion does far better then you would expect. It practically one shots the frigates and melts the cruisers faster than a tengu. The tengu can apply better damage on the battleships, but not like it used to since the furies range was merged. A perfect pair is a tengu/legion. Were talking solo here - if you've got great cap skills, then yes, I could see that being partially true. Depends on the sites as well - some a legion will be completely nueted out no matter what. So was I. Yes we ran together, but he also ran solo. And we raced solo each running the same site on our own. His legion could solo all four anoms. He did say he occasionally overheated the tank. But we kept paste at the pos so it was all good. This was his fit. Which is also good proof that running purely solo will eventually end up in a gank http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14774279
Azael Maken Sanity's Refuge 0	Posted - 2013.03.22 03:38:00 - [30] - Quote My Legion pilot runs this fit: [Legion] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Heat Sink Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network I used to run a Tracking Computer but now find it unnecessary. After you run each anom a couple times you memorized all the spawns, and you're never out of Scorch range (38k). This runs all anoms in your sleep. I started with a lesser armor repper and another EAM instead of the 3rd heat sink until I could afford it. I solo Radars and Mags as well in it, and if there are more than 1 to run I do the same thing with the extra EAM in place of the heat sink. While you're learning to solo the heavier neuting stuff like Radars and Mags, I'd even recommend swapping out another Heat Sink for a CPR. The DPS hit hurts, but you won't get caught capped out and out a 1.5 bil ship. I haven't "raced" against another tengu, but I do fly with them frequently and their DPS is not even close on Cruisers and Frigs, which there are a lot of in C3s. I've always heard they do more DPS against BS, but I'm not even sure that's true. WIth implats I'm hitting 597dps with conflag, which does fine on BS and Cruisers. I'm no authority on Tengu's, but I'd say the range advantage is a non factor, as well as neuting. To me, the benefit seems to be more the lesser cost than anything else. Like you, I started in a Zealot running C2s. I even ran it in C3s, although I lost a few learning spawns and in the long run really wasn't worth it. I think you'll probably hate the C3 drake after flying the Zealot. It'll be slower both DPS and speed wise, and boring. I doubt you'll make more money with it, because you could probably clear anoms and sigs in a C2 fast enough in a zealot to make up for the difference. Personally, I'd stick with the Zealot until you can afford a couple Legions (or one if you dare). I found it to be very worth it. You will probably burn out soloing though, I know I did.
Roime Shiva Furnace 2278	Posted - 2013.03.22 07:37:00 - [31] - Quote I'm testing this solo Domi. Goal is to have a T1 Gallente ship than can solo C3s without being completely reliant on cap boosters. [Dominix, PVE 0.1] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Domination Large Armor Repairer Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Drone Link Augmentor II 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 + lights, mediums med repper drones and ***, haven't settled on selection yet 643 dps @ 84km (max drone range. optimals are higher) 827 dps @ 30ish km Needs fitting implant love, bloo bloo Can permarun the Domination repper, which is enough for most parts of the waves. Overheat tank for beginning of heavy waves, reload AAR when not needed. Only tested true solo in OFS and FFS in non-bonused systems, works fine. Legion links needed for mag & radars. Tank can easily be improved by replacing the DDA II with a RAH and/or upgrading the faction repper. Domination reppers cost nothing and use least cap but don't rep as much as the navy versions, faction is needed to make it fit. And yeah those hardwires too. -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -*
JeanMichel Bizarre Loki's Legion 75	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:19:00 - [32] - Quote I solo C3 anomalies with this: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16776688 Admittedly it's painfully slow, but it beats idling at the pos. Tank is great with a passive recharge rate of around 130hp/s if I recall correctly. I rarely ever need to warp out, but it does happen. It's very, VERY cheap, which makes this easily replaceable and with a tank better than most T2 fitted tengus and the dps only slightly (yeah ok, maybe considerably) worse, I really can't justify flying anything for now. omniscient omnipotent omnipresent without judgement
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1076	Posted - 2013.03.22 11:24:00 - [33] - Quote I love solo ships in a C3.....so yummy...nom nom nom.... HTFU!...for the children!
Helene Chenal Offensive Upholder 2	Posted - 2013.03.22 12:32:00 - [34] - Quote Roime wrote: I'm testing this solo Domi. Goal is to have a T1 Gallente ship than can solo C3s without being completely reliant on cap boosters. [Dominix, PVE 0.1] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Domination Large Armor Repairer Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Drone Link Augmentor II 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L 350mm Railgun II, Spike L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 + lights, mediums med repper drones and ****, haven't settled on selection yet 643 dps @ 84km (max drone range. optimals are higher) 827 dps @ 30ish km Needs fitting implant love, bloo bloo Can permarun the Domination repper, which is enough for most parts of the waves. Overheat tank for beginning of heavy waves, reload AAR when not needed. Only tested true solo in OFS and FFS in non-bonused systems, works fine. Legion links needed for mag & radars. Tank can easily be improved by replacing the DDA II with a RAH and/or upgrading the faction repper. Domination reppers cost nothing and use least cap but don't rep as much as the navy versions, faction is needed to make it fit. And yeah those hardwires too. You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO
Roime Shiva Furnace 2292	Posted - 2013.03.22 16:09:00 - [35] - Quote Last time I tested the Hype (granted it was over a year ago) it obviously tanked like boss, but with blasters it was ridiculously slow to burn to the targets, and with rails it had serious problems dealing with the frigs. Unbonused lights couldn't even kill all the frigs due to them repping, and mediums often died in a fire without HP bonus. -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1233	Posted - 2013.03.22 16:19:00 - [36] - Quote Helene Chenal wrote: You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change.
Lenier Chenal Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety 24	Posted - 2013.03.22 17:38:00 - [37] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change. Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways. I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1233	Posted - 2013.03.22 18:05:00 - [38] - Quote Lenier Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change. Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways. I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion. I don't see many in this thread advising anyone to run solo. The OP asked about ships that can solo. I even linked a KM to show a fit that CAN run solo fine, but also to illustrate it is a gank waiting to happen. learn2read. You must not know Roime. I'm sure his drone skills are fine. And he can afford to lose that domi. You could lose 2 of those domis for the price of 1.5 Hyperion hulls. And there is no need for a fully passive fit in a C3 or a C4 for that matter.
Lenier Chenal Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety 24	Posted - 2013.03.22 18:23:00 - [39] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Lenier Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change. Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways. I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion. I don't see many in this thread advising anyone to run solo. The OP asked about ships that can solo. I even linked a KM to show a fit that CAN run solo fine, but also to illustrate it is a gank waiting to happen. learn2read. You must not know Roime. I'm sure his drone skills are fine. And he can afford to lose that domi. You could lose 2 of those domis for the price of 1.5 Hyperion hulls. And there is no need for a fully passive fit in a C3 or a C4 for that matter. I don't think anyone soloing c3s is hurt by the isk loss as a result of a gank, perhaps the KM though.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1076	Posted - 2013.03.22 18:50:00 - [40] - Quote Lenier Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Lenier Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change. Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways. I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion. I don't see many in this thread advising anyone to run solo. The OP asked about ships that can solo. I even linked a KM to show a fit that CAN run solo fine, but also to illustrate it is a gank waiting to happen. learn2read. You must not know Roime. I'm sure his drone skills are fine. And he can afford to lose that domi. You could lose 2 of those domis for the price of 1.5 Hyperion hulls. And there is no need for a fully passive fit in a C3 or a C4 for that matter. I don't think anyone soloing c3s is hurt by the isk loss as a result of a gank, perhaps the KM though. You've obviously never killed a 2bil isk nighthawk soloing a C3. HTFU!...for the children!
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 280	Posted - 2013.03.22 19:54:00 - [41] - Quote Lenier Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Lenier Chenal wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Helene Chenal wrote: You'd be better off in a tech 2 blaster Hyperion IMHO So far all of your advise in this thread has been just bad. You should just stop. You've even admitted you haven't even run C3 sites in forever. And not since the neut change. Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways. I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion. I don't see many in this thread advising anyone to run solo. The OP asked about ships that can solo. I even linked a KM to show a fit that CAN run solo fine, but also to illustrate it is a gank waiting to happen. learn2read. You must not know Roime. I'm sure his drone skills are fine. And he can afford to lose that domi. You could lose 2 of those domis for the price of 1.5 Hyperion hulls. And there is no need for a fully passive fit in a C3 or a C4 for that matter. I don't think anyone soloing c3s is hurt by the isk loss as a result of a gank, perhaps the KM though. You say this while in your previous post call someone a scrub for answering a simple question posed by OP about sololing C3 content, and then in that very same post wave your e-peen about soloing C3 content in a hyperion. So...you're the scrub? I can't even figure out what you are trying to say or prove. I'll just remind you no one is ever impressed by e-peen waving.
Lenier Chenal Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety 24	Posted - 2013.03.22 20:58:00 - [42] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: You've obviously never killed a 2bil isk nighthawk soloing a C3. I've killed many ships worth far more than that doing all kinds of weird **** in c3s and lower.
Lenier Chenal Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety 24	Posted - 2013.03.22 21:01:00 - [43] - Quote Inkarr Hashur wrote: You say this while in your previous post call someone a scrub for answering a simple question posed by OP about sololing C3 content, and then in that very same post wave your e-peen about soloing C3 content in a hyperion. So...you're the scrub? I can't even figure out what you are trying to say or prove. I'll just remind you no one is ever impressed by e-peen waving. Laughinggirls.jpg
Roime Shiva Furnace 2316	Posted - 2013.03.23 10:52:00 - [44] - Quote Lenier Chenal wrote: Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways. I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion. It's true that running sites really alone in any wormhole is unadvisable, but standard safety precautions were outside the scope of this thread. FWIW I ran my first C3s two years ago and I feel quite confident in this environment. Thanks for your concerns about my drone skills, I do indeed have a few still at IV, haven't bothered maxing the non-Gallente specs. Engineering a Gallente T1 C3 solo ship is just a pet project of mine, I don't accept the status quo of "Drake/T3 or go home" and I'm determined to make it work. Currently I regard a sentry Domi massively better for C3s (RR Domi pair + Rapier is pretty much the holy grail of C3s as what comes to efficiency) than a Hyperion, which suffers from damage projection issues along with weak drones. -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -
Narzis No Mutants Allowed pwn-O-graphy 22	Posted - 2013.03.25 11:19:00 - [45] - Quote You can solo C3 anomalies in many ships, including tengu and legion. These are the most common way but not the only ones. If you have the money and the balls, grab the "big boys". No tengu or legion can finish sites as fast as a Machariel or Vargur, but you can make a try with other marauders and pirate/faction battleships too. Of course these ships are expensive (if you can't pimp them, dont fly them), but flying these are a lot of fun and you can make isk faster. How I look like when I win a fight? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/32571986/out-2.gif
Kalel Nimrott EG CORP Talocan United 210	Posted - 2013.03.25 11:28:00 - [46] - Quote Roime wrote: Lenier Chenal wrote: Advising someone to run c3s solo is the original bad piece of advice. You should stop being a scrub. I've ran them since the neut change, but not since the cap battery change - I use fully passive ships when not cap escalating anyways. I personally have solo'd c3s in a Hyperion, without issues. The guy above me must suck with drone skills. His domi fit is going to get him killed someday, far sooner than using the Hyperion. It's true that running sites really alone in any wormhole is unadvisable, but standard safety precautions were outside the scope of this thread. FWIW I ran my first C3s two years ago and I feel quite confident in this environment. Thanks for your concerns about my drone skills, I do indeed have a few still at IV, haven't bothered maxing the non-Gallente specs. Engineering a Gallente T1 C3 solo ship is just a pet project of mine, I don't accept the status quo of "Drake/T3 or go home" and I'm determined to make it work. Currently I regard a sentry Domi massively better for C3s (RR Domi pair + Rapier is pretty much the holy grail of C3s as what comes to efficiency) than a Hyperion, which suffers from damage projection issues along with weak drones. How much time does it takes you to do each anomaly? (its being so long that I forgot their names :) )
Roime Shiva Furnace 2343	Posted - 2013.03.25 15:57:00 - [47] - Quote It took 20 minutes to do Outposts, pretty much the same as a solo Tengu. I'll post more experiences when I continue with testing. -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 291	Posted - 2013.03.25 19:00:00 - [48] - Quote You can easily fit a 100MN afterburner on a legion, anyone ever try sites that way? To maintain decent speed under webs, or to get into orbit around a sleeper BS and avoid most of the DPS on the field. I realize this is what the HAM subsystem is more suited to but I want to see if one could at least attempt to do it with pulse, and just turn off the AB when needed. I'd go and test it myself but the test server still hasn't mirrored.
Lenier Chenal Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety 28	Posted - 2013.03.26 13:41:00 - [49] - Quote Rokh actually is doable as well, it can tank the sites passively even.
Freddie Merrcury Fukushima Daiichi Electric Power Co. 0	Posted - 2013.03.27 10:05:00 - [50] - Quote Lenier Chenal wrote: Rokh actually is doable as well, it can tank the sites passively even. I would love to see your fit. Rokh has a special place in my heart.
Cipio Alduin Strategic Tactics And Recon Academy Strategic Tactics And Recon Corporate Alliance 8	Posted - 2013.03.27 19:20:00 - [51] - Quote The best bet is to run in groups. It's a lot more fun and less chances of you being ganked.
Johnson 1044 Johnson Organic Produce 6	Posted - 2013.03.31 04:55:00 - [52] - Quote I use Tengus but the other day I was observing a Legion running C3 sites solo and he was clearing them fast. I was impressed. I don't know his fit but I couldn't have done it faster in my Tengu.
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 319	Posted - 2013.03.31 13:49:00 - [53] - Quote I'd personally recommend a T3 cruiser, for survivalbility and ability to clear the sites relatively fast. I can be done in lesser ships, but it can take a while! Though my biggest advice is to make sure to stay alligned. Those combat sites can be scanned down just using the ship scanner, and the patient pirate will warp between them in a covert ship till he finds you, giving you no-warning of his presence from probes or ships on the D-scanner. The only chance you have to catch him there is the short window when he firsts jumps into the hole. Post with your main, like a BOSS!
Johnson 1044 Johnson Organic Produce 6	Posted - 2013.03.31 16:39:00 - [54] - Quote Xen Solarus wrote: Those combat sites can be scanned down just using the ship scanner, and the patient pirate will warp between them in a covert ship till he finds you, giving you no-warning of his presence from probes or ships on the D-scanner. It's much easier than that. All you have to do is use your system map and a 5 degree dscan aligned to the anoms and you'll find them in seconds.
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 299	Posted - 2013.04.01 14:05:00 - [55] - Quote Lenier Chenal wrote: Inkarr Hashur wrote: You say this while in your previous post call someone a scrub for answering a simple question posed by OP about sololing C3 content, and then in that very same post wave your e-peen about soloing C3 content in a hyperion. So...you're the scrub? I can't even figure out what you are trying to say or prove. I'll just remind you no one is ever impressed by e-peen waving. Laughinggirls.jpg Oh hey somehow I missed this. Coolmemearrows.gif.tif.png

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