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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: MrPops on 25/07/2003 09:53:26
The character with the name MMBMA and MMBMA1 is a scammer. He has an elaborate scam with e-mail confirmations on battleship BP copy purchases. He makes things look very legit so beware. MMBMA scammed some of my corp members for 110 million.
MMBMA is or was a member of NEMA, New Eden Merchants Association. Their CEO is Noxis Moda or Baud Moda. MMBMA is not currently a member of NEMA anymore and the CEO claims he had no idea of the deal.
I would like some explanation from their part as far as who MMBMA was and what can be done to recover the losses. MMBMA used NEMA in outside e-mails and in logged ingame chats so at the moment I hold them reponsible. The scamming in EVE is rampant right now. Perhaps this character abused and used this corp for his scheme but it could also be that it was all a setup from the start.
People should stay away from anyone trying to do joint ventures to buy BP's unless they are extremely reputable corps with proven reliability.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:20:00 -
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*update* MMBMA has joined a new corporation called All For One. Looks like this guy is joining different corps and using their name for this scheme. I warn the CEO of this corporation that he has a thief in their group.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:21:00 -
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Scams usually only work on impatient or careless people. Did it work on you?
There are ways to protect yourself. The first rule is not to be so trusting.
-E
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:29:00 -
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You are absolutely right. Scams work on impatient people who can't read the other persons intentions. It was sad that I wasn't present during the deal. I heard about the deal last night and my alarms sounded off. It wasn't untill today when my members who did the deal confirmed it was a scam. Unfortunately I was right.
The funny thing is this guy went through the trouble of making everything look legit. He sent confirmation of purchase vie e-mail outside of the game as well.
This is a lesson for the members involved in the deal. If it's too good to be true most likely it is a scam. Let this error be a warning for other people.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:34:00 -
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Sorry it happened buddy, really am.
-E
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:36:00 -
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Yeah. I wouldn't do a joint BP thing without colateral.
If someone wants to borrow 60mill he needs to open a trade with me, and give me one of the following for colateral.
1) A level 1 Battleship
2) 9230 Megacyte
3) Or one Heavy 'modulated' Energy Beam. Oh..
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period.
Expires on 19. September 2004 |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:40:00 -
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It is very unfortunate that CCP has no policy against this type of behavior. Other games have very strict rules against scamming. This form of scamming can deeply hurt a group of players or corporation since it involves large sums of money.
Even with the fact we have chat logs and outside e-mail confirmation there is nothing we can do to recover our money.
CCP has the method of tracking all transactions and it's sad they won't use that information to punish this type of scamming.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Elistan
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:44:00 -
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Well if you need any Battleships plz feel free to contact our sales people, we are offering scorpions , armageddons , and megathrons. Why possibly get scammed when all you have to do is come to the right place.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 06:48:00 -
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Thanks for the offer but we are currently in the hole :)
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.07.25 07:00:00 -
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Lol, damn that sucks. The funny thing about this is I know that guy, not personally though, I know him from last week or something, he was being a tard and spamming the trade channel trying to sell a normal mining drone BP copy. A lot of us were po'd at the newb, I said I would buy it off of him in PF-346 just to shut him up (this was before the blockade, and yes I was going to pod him). But he never showed.
Damn shame what happend to your corp.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
annoing
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Posted - 2003.07.25 07:18:00 -
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Even though I do feel for you and the loss of 110 million, i cant see how you hold CCP responsible.
Eve is based on various factors: Trade, Market, Mining, PvP, Hunting etc etc. As in the real world, you will find unscruperlous conmen who will rip you off for all your hard earned money...as happened here.
Fine, let others learn from your mistake, but dont blame CCP or expect CCP to rectify this scam.
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Long live the Inquisition
Long live the Emperor
Long live Amarr!
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 07:26:00 -
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I'm not placing blame on CCP nor do I expect them to rectify the situation. I just expressed my feelings on the *unfortunate* fact that CCP does not have a policy against this behavior and the fact they do have the tools to track it and punish the people involved.
Infact, this has already happened to many people and CCP has already stated that unless the scam was using an exploit they won't get involved.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.25 07:33:00 -
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Well, sorry, but tough. Its part of the game. Its PvP, its human nature, people are **** sometimes. Deal with it.
Look at it this way - at least has given you something to do in Eve now, something to focus on. Be grateful to your scammer for that.
I think fraud and scamming is an essential part of the game, and makes for more fun and interesting gameplay elements.
Sorry I don't have anymore sympathy, but thats life.
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Silmaril
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Posted - 2003.07.25 07:48:00 -
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I'm sure CCP have said before that this sort of scamming is a legitimate game mechanic, and was meant to happen. What is missing is a way for the hurt party to effectively get revenge.
"Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men." |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 07:51:00 -
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First Miso, I'm not asking for sympathy, second my post was not meant so I can get replys on how negative behavior is good for the game, I already understand that and I'm a big supporter of PVP and consequential situations in the EVE economy.
I'm merely warning other people from this individual and also commenting on the unfortunate situation.
If you or a friend got scammed royally I'm sure you would be upset about it. I don't think you would throw your arms up and say "oh well that's part of the game so what can I do"
There is nothing anyone can do. Declaring war, placing a bounty, or killing the guy over and over won't solve anything and won't get the money back. Once the cash is gone, it's gone.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 07:53:00 -
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I agree completely Silmaril.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.25 08:05:00 -
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Sounded like a moan to me. But hey, what do I know?
Stay lucky.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 08:47:00 -
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"Sounded like a moan to me. But hey, what do I know?"
You know absolutely nothing and I don't need your sarcasm. If you have nothing else to say unless you want to turn this into something, move along.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.07.25 09:39:00 -
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 Quote:
MMBMA is or was a member of NEMA, New Eden Merchants Association. Their CEO is Maxis Moda or Baud Moda. MMBMA is not currently a member of NEMA
Hmmmm
MMBMA = Maxis Moda's Baud Moda's Alt
It's kinda obvious, no? =)
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: MrPops on 25/07/2003 09:55:26
That is an interesting possibility.
So here we could have the CEO of a corp involved in covert activities. Infiltrating other corps and using their names to pull off the scheme, starting with his own.
Woops, it was Noxis Moda, I misspelled it. SO that becomes an impossibility. Nice catch anyway :)
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Mon Maures
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Posted - 2003.07.25 10:37:00 -
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Thx for the heads up.... keep seeing these scams....there should be a conman hitlist in game like the bounty list, only problem is people will us it to try and discredit their competition.
I appreciate warnings on who can and can't be trusted on the trading front as i'm currently delving into the trading channels looking for good deals.
I don't think u r moaning at all - u just explained the scam and who was involved and expressed your sadness at the fact - np for me.
Sorry bout the scam though bud.... i'm sure the offending player will be podded and killed v.soon - a nice shiny corpse nailed to the antenna mast of your cruiser! |
Verisutha
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Posted - 2003.07.25 16:56:00 -
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whelp!
Sorry to hear you were ripped off by that guy.. Although I must say I am surprised you didn't see it coming.. I already have that guy blocked.. I think I blocked him the min he started posting..
One word of advice, if you are going to be handing over 100mil to someone you might want to get to know them a little better, maybe talk to them voice, on the phone or something.. 100million is a lot of isk to trust someone with.
Also you might want to confirm with the CEO of the corp that they are aware of the deal you are about to enter.. that way you can atleast be sure if you do get scammed the that CEO was in on it.
Anyhow, be safe, and I hope things work out for you.
Regards,
Verisutha CEO
Scenites - Nomadic Wanderers
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Nibarlan
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Posted - 2003.07.25 17:48:00 -
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how hard is it to relize you never bought a BP, talked about buying one, let alone from him.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: MrPops on 25/07/2003 17:55:58
Verisutha, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I was not the one who handed the money or was present during the transaction. This deal was made by other corp members while I was out. As soon as I arrived and was told the story of the deal my alarm sounded off right away. I informed my corporation that this deal was a complete scam but they thought otherwise. The scam was not confirmed until the next day and sadly I was the one who was right.
Again, this is a lesson for my corp members involved.
#1 Never get involved in joint BP purchases from the trade channel.
#2 Never make major business deals with people other than the CEO of the corp.
#3 Never make any major business deals with corps that are not reputable and that have not proven themselves to deliver (Playboy)
#4 Never make major business with corporations that don't go public with their propositions in a formal written manner but before that you need to look at #3.
#5 This should be #1 never trust anyone from the start.
#6 If all things are clean are you decided to do business, hear their story, let the person talk about their plans, ask questions and ask the tough questions, pick at the details and ask why. This is a good way to get to the bottom of things and find hints of a possible scam.
#7 After hearing the story look for discrepancies and question things that don't make sense. Usually if this is the case, most likely it is already a scam.
#8 Obtain collateral unless this corp is reputable and is known to deliver.
#9 Ask questions about the other parties involved. Ask for references. Talk to them as well and confirm the deal. Make sure the references are good too. Could be an elaborate setup.
#10 Practice patience, don't jump the gun on the first good deals you see out there. If it's too good to be true it probably isn't.
#11 Major deals should involve all members of your corporation and be fully discussed by all.
Well just a few pointers, if you care to add please do.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.07.25 18:27:00 -
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Actually can boil it down to:
Don't use anything but a secure trade window for ANYTHING and DELVE the item before clicking accept.
If the potential for a scam exists then treat it as one no matter what the 'reputation' of the individual or corp.
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Arondos
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Posted - 2003.07.25 19:10:00 -
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I still don't see why people think CCP should do anything about this. Plain and simple.
1. If you are buying anything and you don't put your payment in the trade window and see what you are buying or collateral worth what you are giving you may be getting ripped off. They can't idiot proof the system, it's a biomass issue not a programming problem.
2. Most "scams" rely on a couple things. The victim being naive, greedy, or lazy.
In real life if someone you didn't know said. Psst hey. I've got an (insert item) around the corner. Just give $500 and you can have it. You wouldn't hand over the $500 (I hope). The cops you reported it to would take your info, file paperwork and get a good laugh if you did.
Life isn't fair and neither is Eve. Get over it. |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 19:23:00 -
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I'm sorry but since when is this post about CCP doing anything? Does the topic even refer to that? I agree with you, the problem is biomass but I think it's also reading comprehension.
And yes, life is tough some people get better biomass than others. Get over it.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.07.25 19:26:00 -
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"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
lol, looks like you must strive not to get ripped off by 2 bit(dimensional?) cons before you attempt to find your next fast-food version of the organic unification theory hehe.
Im Yo Huckleberreh |
MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.25 19:33:00 -
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Singular, you must be padding yourself in the back for that one. I'm glad this makes you feel good about yourself since i'm sure you rarely make such observations. If you read this whole post carefully like you did my signature, you will find out that *I* didn't get ripped off, my corp members did. Since I am in the corp, this is an issue that affects me as well since we lost a huge portion of our cash flow.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.07.25 19:51:00 -
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lol, I just love you semi-intellectuals...let me guess, you thought the "Matrix" was !profound!
Anyways, Im just here to tell ya, that Im not impressed. Have a nice day!
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