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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.29 19:20:00 -
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As much as I hate most of the top-5 this and that threads, I think this might be an interesting topic.
Who do you think are the people who can affect things in EvE in a larger scale? They might be alliance/big corp leaders, rich geezers who can take over markets or hire every mercenary out there, ruthless back-stabbers or thieves, or even forum slappers who people and devs listen to.
If you would want something done, who would you turn to?
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.08.29 19:22:00 -
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Looky here
though imo - too much fame is given to forum *****s over those who keep their game ingame.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.08.29 19:22:00 -
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/me consults my old petition replies and makes a top 5 of GM's...
Nah, it would depend on what I want, but if I want clout, I dont need to look far.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.29 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/08/2005 19:27:47
There are three groups of people.
1. The [23]. I.e. the people who influence opinion on the forums.
2. The leaders. Foyle, etc.
3. The infamous. Tank CEO, Viceroy, Istvaan Shogaatsu, etc.
They each affect different portions of the EVE community in different ways.
Some have became so famous that they are nearly household names in EVE. Such as Foyle, and Istvaan.
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Proud member of the [23].
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Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2005.08.29 19:30:00 -
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Foyle?
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:00:00 -
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Istvaan, Lord zap and Tank CEO are the most famous. The most influential? Trigger... foyle.... really depends on what game you've been playing... you'll become aware of many more influential people if your out if low sec and 0.0 than if you stay in high sec space.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 29/08/2005 20:22:50
 Originally by: Hakera
Looky here
though imo - too much fame is given to forum *****s over those who keep their game ingame.
Yeah, but that thread concentrates on 'who have influenced you the most in the history of EVE'. I was more interested in 'who do you think are the most influential people right now, this very moment?' Who would you want on your side if you wanted the 75mm gatling nerfed? Who would you want on your side if you wanted to replace the leadership of PIE?
Edit: And ofc most players know the obvious nominations and reasons for them. I was hoping to see some less obvious choices with good reasoning behind it.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:24:00 -
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Although I know he's quit, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Duke Droklar. I understand he had quite an effect.
CYVOK has as well - he's been a great CEO and an effective lobbyist on some changes, so far as I understand :)
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Tovarishch
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:24:00 -
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The most influential players/organizations in EVE are not the folks who go around flaunting it on the forums. Remaining inconspicuous in this game presents several advantages... namely, being successfully influential.
Big names = popularity contest. This isn't high school.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch
Big names = popularity contest. This isn't high school.
Life is high school, just more convoluted, less clear cut and without summer vacation 
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch
The most influential players/organizations in EVE are not the folks who go around flaunting it on the forums.
Exactly what I'm interested in, tell us who your mystery person is! \o/
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
1. The [23]. I.e. the people who influence opinion on the forums.
After several months this one still has me pondering, what on earth are the 23 exactly? Ive seen people claim membership, try and guess who the 23 are, guess what the 23 actually do, but nobody seems to know for sure 
Are they simply the 23 most infuencial people? Who made the list? Where is the list?
I hate not knowing things 
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Onizuka Eikichi
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:46:00 -
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Are they like the Illuminati or the patriots of Metal Gear Solid?
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:47:00 -
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The most influential person in the game is probably known by many names.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
The most influential person in the game is probably known by many names.
An alt, then.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:50:00 -
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I'm fairly influencial 
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
The most influential person in the game is probably known by many names.
A good point. Let's get it out in the open, is Fatballs really Kieron?
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Caeden Nicomachean
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Onizuka Eikichi
Are they like the Illuminati or the patriots of Metal Gear Solid?
Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_23_enigma
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.08.29 20:57:00 -
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The most influential people in eve today are clearly the leaders of the major alliances/PvP factions, and some of the more notable production folks like the leaders of NAGA, and a handful of random forum *****s and of course a few notable pirate types. I don't know the names, but it wouldn't take long to come up with a pretty comprehensive list just by seeing who's in charge of the various powerful PvP/Alliance/Production organizations in eve.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.29 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
The most influential people in eve today are clearly the leaders of the major alliances/PvP factions, and some of the more notable production folks like the leaders of NAGA, and a handful of random forum *****s and of course a few notable pirate types. I don't know the names, but it wouldn't take long to come up with a pretty comprehensive list just by seeing who's in charge of the various powerful PvP/Alliance/Production organizations in eve.
But who are the little hooded guys (I don't mean the amarr) whispering propaganda into the Rulers' ears?
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.08.29 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Scorpyn
The most influential person in the game is probably known by many names.
An alt, then.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of avatar(s).
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.29 21:14:00 -
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The most influential are always the ones that do not know it.
Attention mongers are the most infamous. Influentials merely inspire others through actions of their own.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.29 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/08/2005 21:20:34
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Dark Shikari
1. The [23]. I.e. the people who influence opinion on the forums.
After several months this one still has me pondering, what on earth are the 23 exactly? Ive seen people claim membership, try and guess who the 23 are, guess what the 23 actually do, but nobody seems to know for sure
Are they simply the 23 most infuencial people? Who made the list? Where is the list?
I hate not knowing things
There are a number of threads around.
An alt (possibly Derisor's) posted a while back with a whine about how his horrible ideas always got shot down by the same 23 people (Rod Blaine, me, and others). The number was completely random and off the top of his head.
But the name stuck.
Nosferatu, me, Rod Blaine, and a few others are stated members of the [23], but you can include whoever you want as long as they post 30-50 times a day and are anti-whiner  .
Its almost a giant bad joke.
Its not the 23 most influential though. That would be probably the 2nd and 3rd category--the leaders (Foyle, CYVOK, Xirtam, etc), and the infamous (Tank CEO, Lord Zap, Viceroy, Istvaan).
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Proud member of the [23].
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.29 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 29/08/2005 21:39:19
me me lol
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.08.29 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson
Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 29/08/2005 21:39:19
me me lol
They didn't ask who the biggest no0b from 2003 was...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.08.29 22:39:00 -
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Me
You people just don't know it yet... moehahahahahaaaaa
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.08.29 22:42:00 -
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oveur?
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.08.29 23:36:00 -
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Bah, what a crock of ****, forum *****s > EVERYBODY and you all know it
Originally by: James Lyrus
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.29 23:43:00 -
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mmm those with influence are those that make an impact.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.08.29 23:49:00 -
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I'd say Duhoh has been a major influence on me on so many levels.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2005.08.29 23:58:00 -
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No one.
The only people who have influenced the game for me would be the people exploited weaknesses in the game design and forced the devs to change stuff.
Other than secondary inflience through devs no one has real influence IMO.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:03:00 -
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In reality you all realize that the best pvp'ers that are or were in game are not necessarly the most important on an eve macro?
And as far as the most influential being in .0 that may or may not be the case. They may be in .0 but being in .0 has nothing to do with influence.
Personal opinion is whoever controls the more popular t2 bpo's choosing where they will be sold and to a lesser extent to who. Eve may be a pvp game to a great extent but this pvp is by and large controled by economics and the one who controls the isk controls eve doesn't matter if they never utter a word on anything.
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DMAN666vic
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:03:00 -
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I feel a sustained influence in any one particular area of the game would be difficult. I personally had my moments in the sun, influencing Raven prices in Yulai (pre patch), taking my stockpiles of minerals to market thus filling many... many buy orders and ( the most influential in my opinion) gate ganking bout 40 haulers travelling through Egg.
I think everyone can be influential in some way if they have a good plan and can stick to it.
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Hakim St0rm4r3
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:05:00 -
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ALT's, like this 1.
Alt's are everywhere.
people forget a 2year old active player in a corporation can be a alt.
most alt that get into these possitions are directors.
trusted and well conected.
their words can alter corp policy, start and end wars.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
No one.
The only people who have influenced the game for me would be the people exploited weaknesses in the game design and forced the devs to change stuff.
Other than secondary inflience through devs no one has real influence IMO.
Good point. I don't think any character has really affected my gameplay directly either. But then again, I'm not important enough for anyone to spend time/isk on. However, 'forcing devs to change stuff' isn't always bad, ppl did whine enough to get my mega a bit better. ^^
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.08.30 00:12:00 -
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How about that Art dev that accidentally gave a player the Miner V and started the whole Miner II fiasco with Techell.
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Mechanix
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Posted - 2005.08.30 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mechanix on 30/08/2005 22:37:57
Originally by: Hakera
Looky here
though imo - too much fame is given to forum *****s over those who keep their game ingame.
Looked there. looked like a load of little flames from the start, so didn't continue. But my own personal list, before i read the rest of this thread.
1) Jade Constantine. The ultimate icon of adoration/hatred ever on the Eve forums. Spawned entire wars with her vitriol, valiantly gathered the righteous to do battle with da ebil ppl... Made things interesting.
2) Foyle. pretty much the same as Jade in terms of peoples opinions of them. More actual hard military power, less ideological following. Sadly, probably more hated than Jade in some quarters simply because she is actually female. We <3 you Foyle  
3) Halseth Durn, Prophecy, Sir Molle, Xirt.... Blah all the people on my list are the people who have made the game fun to play. People who caused actual- and forum- wars on a grand scale. I miss the days when when things got really nasty, when you could feel for a few hours that it was almost real, you could go out, blow the crap out of someone, or get the crap blown out of you, endure the shame, claim the glory. These days, its more like a polite tea party with guns, where everyone can get rich again quick if they die, and the worst thing you can do is offend someone. Dunno, maybe some people do take in character abuse (when im playing, pretty much everything is in character... no i don't roleplay as such like some people do, but as far as im concerned just playing the game is roleplaying. I'm much different in real life compared with eve.) personally, but most people can handle it. While I do agree that the game mechanics are getting better (despite the still complete lack of large scale combat capability), I miss the days when you could get completely immersed in the game, and the people i mentioned above are some of those who were best at making that possible.
P.S. Bring back Jade.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 22:42:00 -
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mmm lots of influences - DK Shadow is my personal favourite
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:09:00 -
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I'd say the original m0o are the most influential. The number of exploits they found in their early days, and the things they did with their ships really changed the way the game evolved. W/o them, Eve would be a VERY different game, play-wise.
Originally by: Idio T
Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
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chillz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:16:00 -
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I think you'll find its TomB,
end of,
no question,
respect the nerfbat.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:35:00 -
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MOO had a big influence from what i hear. Still need those types to make the game balanced.
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Dark Shikari
1. The [23]. I.e. the people who influence opinion on the forums.
After several months this one still has me pondering, what on earth are the 23 exactly? Ive seen people claim membership, try and guess who the 23 are, guess what the 23 actually do, but nobody seems to know for sure
Are they simply the 23 most infuencial people? Who made the list? Where is the list?
I hate not knowing things
Did you know that number 1, 3, 6, 9, and number 13 of [23] may have posted in this thread...
The [23] are real, and are dangerous!!!
This is a link | This is not a link |
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:53:00 -
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is there a published list of the 23 we can all see.
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
is there a published list of the 23 we can all see.
Maybe.
I canne tell ye.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:57:00 -
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so u can(ne) tell us or can(t) tell us ? lol who are the 23 hehe the 23 most influential people in eve
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:58:00 -
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he
Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now? |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.30 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
so u can(ne) tell us or can(t) tell us ? lol who are the 23 hehe the 23 most influential people in eve
The [23] are not the most influential people in EVE.
The concepts are seperate.
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Proud member of the [23].
Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else. |
Nafri
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: sonofollo
so u can(ne) tell us or can(t) tell us ? lol who are the 23 hehe the 23 most influential people in eve
The [23] are not the most influential people in EVE.
The concepts are seperate.
its just the 23 biggest forums *****s making people think special things
Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now? |
sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:07:00 -
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what are these special things u speak of btw
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
what are these special things u speak of btw
One of the [23]'s main job is to stop whiners from convincing people that, for example, "missiles are gimped," or, "OMG PIRATES ARE GRIEFERS."
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Proud member of the [23].
Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else. |
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:15:00 -
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Like he said. ^^
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Member of the [23]
Follower of the Blood Revolution.
Sani Sabik.
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YetAnotherAlt
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:26:00 -
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1. Sir Molle
2. Dr. Scope
3. CYVOK
4. XirtamVOTF
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/08/2005 00:37:06
Originally by: YetAnotherAlt
1. Sir Molle
2. Dr. Scope
3. CYVOK
4. XirtamVOTF
5. Ruffio Sepico
Forgot Foyle.
And how is Dr Scope so influential? He certainly isn't the king of tech 2 (many other corps own many more BPOs), and hasn't done anything that any other T2 magnate hasn't done.
Khatred, now, may become very influential with his new business model.
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Proud member of the [23].
Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else. |
F'nog
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Posted - 2005.08.31 00:40:00 -
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I don't even know who Dr. Scope is.
Originally by: Idio T
Only two types of people I hate in this game: People who discriminate against other races, and the French.
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2005.08.31 01:59:00 -
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Pann.
*cough* *cough*
Finite Horizon
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.08.31 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
I don't even know who Dr. Scope is.
Hang out in the blueprints channel, he is the guy always spamming that he wants to buy T2 BPOs.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2005.08.31 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: GFLTorque
Pann.
*cough* *cough*
rofl
panns peeps 4tw
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Daigon
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Posted - 2005.08.31 06:16:00 -
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Wrangler
Hey, never hurts to suck up to the boss sometimes =)
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Katjia
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Posted - 2005.08.31 07:17:00 -
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lets see ....
Madcap Magician...going way back to that time in cfs and then later during that errm "sale"
Pooti .. teaching me the ways of frig combat by me being the target.
most of the old school m0o guys. W/o m0o wouldn't have had a good advisary to learn and test things on.
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Nuclear Option
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Posted - 2005.09.10 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: sonofollo
so u can(ne) tell us or can(t) tell us ? lol who are the 23 hehe the 23 most influential people in eve
The [23] are not the most influential people in EVE.
The concepts are seperate.
I swear you're CHUMCICLE
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Marar
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Posted - 2005.09.10 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Marar on 10/09/2005 23:49:36
I nominate zanistar coz well he's my brother.
and all the old paladins of the red skull
Lycanth.
edited spelling
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Tsual
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Posted - 2005.09.11 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: sonofollo
so u can(ne) tell us or can(t) tell us ? lol who are the 23 hehe the 23 most influential people in eve
The [23] are not the most influential people in EVE.
The concepts are seperate.
its just the 23 biggest forums *****s making people think special things
Haven't yet seen Joshua Calvert posting here.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.11 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 11/09/2005 07:19:39
The funny thing is that no one claiming to be a member of the 23 in their sig or whatever other ***ness are influential at all.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.09.11 07:21:00 -
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Some people take the forums much too seriously.
Ayeilla > Yes, Lineage 2
has the most unhelpful
Gm's and tech support
around
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:42:00 -
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when things are serious good ideas are generated.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.11 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 11/09/2005 07:19:39
The funny thing is that no one claiming to be a member of the 23 in their sig or whatever other ***ness are influential at all.
Influence would be something like pointing out your sig is too big, and the mods taking action.
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