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Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 16:14:00 - [1] Get used to it. If you're less than 60 years old then I predict you will experience higher oil prices within your lifetime. Consider the current situation to be a warning of worse to come. It's a question of when, not if. The bottleneck will not be knowing where it is - it will be getting it out and into petrol tanks fast enough to meet demand. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 16:33:00 - [2] Originally by: Wookie Are u taking the p1ss ???? try living in england, fuel prices are ú1 a litre, house prices are ridiculous, tax to live in a house is ridiculous not to mention everything else. And try using a car thats fuel efficient and better for the environment like most people do in Europe do to counter the high fuel prices. Actually the tax has a big advantage. When the crap hits the fan and fuel production gets bottlenecked permanently and prices skyrocket the government can cushion the blow by reducing the taxation. It also means that there is a break of sorts on UK oil usage. We are just about avoiding getting fatally addicted to it like the US. Everyone in the UK is already aware of the cost of fuel and will be less shocked and less panicked when prices really take off. We might () even get tax breaks from the government to cushion the blow. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 16:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Danton Marcellus What is this gallon? It's a unit of measurement for fluids. Legally acceptable in..um..two countries one of which is a third-world (or not far off) African state. Every other country capable of expressing an opinion said it was no longer legal and most won't even import goods labelled using it. Oh and the legal equivalent of 'one gallon' depends on where you live since there is some disagreement about how much fluid you get in a gallon. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 16:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Rafein The oil from the Wildlife reserve will do nothing. The problem isn't oil right now, it's refined oil. Yup. The oil in the ground may or may not run out in our lifetimes but what is certain is that refining and distribution of the useable fuel product will be unable to keep up with demand in the next few decades. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 17:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Demarcus Originally by: Pitt There are many differences between the US and Europe. I have visited Europe many times and I never had to get in a car to get anywhere. In the US public transportation is a joke at best, and try finding affordable housing in any metropolitan area in this country. We can't afford to live close to where we work. So guess what that means, we have to drive alot. As for the SUV's whatever, not all American's are driving urban assault vehicles. Just for some additional info, crossing some states here in the US is the equivilant of crossing entire country's in Europe, some states are larger than multiple county's there. So the boohoo statments from all the Euro's, plz stop them and think for a few minutes about the subject you are responding to. They can't understand our way of life without seeing it first hand, and I don't mean a weeks vacation to Disney. Just like they can't understand what it is like in the areas the storm hit. Everything within 6 miles of the coast just simply no longer exists. For the first time in the history of the USA a major metropolitan city has been completely evacuated. If this had hit the UK your whole damn country would be gone. Don't be silly, or get your facts right. The UK is about the size of Oregon. It has plenty of high ground. If this had hit the UK it would be a disaster but would not come close to wiping the country out. But anyway I don't see why you are getting so worked up. All we're saying is that oil is expensiv, likely to get worse and the US is too dependant on it. Some of that dependency is difficult to avoid but...you built the country that way. Personally I don't think the oil crises will be a catastrophy. I think people will learn to adapt and will find a solution. Some countries will have more difficulty adapting than others but the US is a country of great resource and I think that they can overcome their current predicament. The only thing that can prevent that is a refusal to accept that a problem exists or an inability to do anything about it. The first is not the case and the second..well we'll see. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 17:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 01/09/2005 16:59:04 Originally by: Branco Don't feel bad, I just looked up Google to find that 1 Gallon is around 22 liters. 22 Liters cost me 37 USD. Now... what are you complaining about? Get EVE going again And if someone gets me a way of exporting that stuff in bottles I will happily buy them 10 USD a gallon... see how you you can profit? LMAO... A gallon is 3.78 liters. I'm looking at a gallon of milk right now, and it has metric conversion clearly labeled right next to the gallon in parentheses. EDIT: For the price of one gallon of gas, I could buy a big-ass hamburger and a large soft drink at most local fast-food restaraunts (McDonald's, Burger King, etc.). For the price of a tank of gas, I could eat for two weeks on food that I buy at the grocery store and prepare, myself. Or in the UK 4.545 litres :) -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 17:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Kris Longknife Originally by: Deja Thoris 1) Public transport 2) Walk 3) Bicycle 4) Car share 5) Smaller car Its still a lot cheaper than many other countries. Frankly I hope it gets more expensive in the USA. Why so many people need a 4L SUV to drive one person half a mile is beyond me. Hopefully it makes people evaluate their driving habits. Ah figures a thread slammer... Lets see... Live on a nice size lot in a big house or live in a house that has been made into several apartments. I think I own my own land thank you very much... Drive some piece of junk or some sturdy American made car...again American. Live out in the country...or live in a 0.0 section in a city so I can walk to work...farm living for me. Car share (I assume you mean car pool) See above farmer smith and farmer brown dont have fields by where I work. We like space around us. Trees, birds,bees and all the nice things Europe has destroyed many years ago. Have you been to either coast of the US recently? Especially the east coast. I think you are very lucky to have what you have but don't get complacent. You're doing exactly what we did - it's just taking you a bit longer. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.09.01 17:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Psychopath I love how Americans believe that because their country is bigger they deserve cheap fuel and the right to produce 25% of world's CO2 emissions. US fuel prices need to be risen significantly to force the use of fuel efficient/smaller cars and therefore cut consumption and emissions. Most European cars do 35+ mpg and the average car in US (a pickup) does 15-20 mpg. Smaller gallon. A US pickup truck doing 20mpg is actually quite respectable even by tree hugger's standards. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.

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