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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
27
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:08:00 -
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WARNING
After being trolled countless times in local chat; After being threatened numerous time with slanderous forum posts and seeing nothing at all....
I have decided to create a place that such awful accusations can be made more easily- here!
I am a firm believer that it a troll does not have pictures, then it did not happen.
After all, I trust my fellow capsuleers, my peers, to vet any of these awful allegations.
So please, PLEASE, if you have PROOF that I have stolen funds from you, please post your wallet pics here.
Please keep in mind that chat logs are not allowed per the rules (I'm still looking out for you, despite the ill language towards me.)
Of course, if you have received all that was promised, I encourage you to post that as well.
Let's let the COMMUNITY decide the truth!
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BACKSTORY
For those of you that are confused, let me provide a little bit of a backstory.
I never knew about or tried the isk doublers myself until I had around 1 billion isk in my wallet. I found that there were 2 types:
1. scammers. These people would promise to double your isk but never send a single isk back. Shameful!
2. Smart Scammers- these scammers would double small amounts like 1 or 2 million isk, and never double the higher amounts.
I decided there must be a better way- a way to allow people to gamble, but in a way that would be fair and honest. I started the first truly honest isk double service. I was very aware that it might not work, but I had to try anyway. It was a success! People just have to read the rules in my bio and they get paid out. Believe it or not, there are lots of people who glance at the rules quickly, or don't look at all. Many of those send ineligible amounts. I won't go into TOO much detail, you will just have to read the rules and see if YOU can figure it out.
... I had been broke for so long before that. I would always plateau at around 10-25m isk and spend it all, then lose it all with my fail fits. I got a gift of 400m isk and played the market up to 1 billion. Even then, I plateaued until I started my business.
Now I am living the good life, making lots of isk from "slow" players, or those challenged by the English language, and distributing much of it to the smart players like you! The best part is there is so much "dumb isk" that you and I both profit!
CONCLUSION
For my loyal clients, please post proof, or at least support for me!
For the TROLLS, please post PROOF that I have scammed you or IT DIDN'T HAPPEN See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
717
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:16:00 -
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Erotica 1 doubled my money. I made a fortune! I was quite surprised actually... I'm Denzel Washington. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
407
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:23:00 -
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She didst double mine moneyse I guess some one here actually took my advice on how to make lots of ISK fast. |
Otti Ottig
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:29:00 -
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I am god, if you dont believe me... PLEASE POST PROOF or didnt happen |
izuzuzan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 14:44:00 -
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damn there was about 30 seconds when i thought ...iv just lost 2 billl...and then wallet flashed BOOM im right thankyou for being such a angel you have made my eve life a couple of bill better ....YOU STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Tera iG
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:22:00 -
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video proof you scammed me now can i have my 300 mill back.
click here for the proof |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
27
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:39:00 -
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Looks fake to me, but in any case, here is my response:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6304&p=35 See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
2Sexy4MyShip
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:00:00 -
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video looks pretty real, and the guy claiming you doubled his 2bil is clearly your alt , surprised people still fall for this |
Tera iG
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:04:00 -
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2Sexy4MyShip wrote:video looks pretty real, and the guy claiming you doubled his 2bil is clearly your alt , surprised people still fall for this
i have a video and 3 pics if proof |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
305
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:24:00 -
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2Sexy4MyShip wrote:video looks pretty real, and the guy claiming you doubled his 2bil is clearly your alt , surprised people still fall for this
He actually doubled my money. It's basically roulette with Erotica -- sometimes you win, sometimes you lose :D I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
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Tera iG
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:27:00 -
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Ristlin Wakefield wrote:2Sexy4MyShip wrote:video looks pretty real, and the guy claiming you doubled his 2bil is clearly your alt , surprised people still fall for this He actually doubled my money. It's basically roulette with Erotica -- sometimes you win, sometimes you lose :D
she/he is claiming that i didnt send the isk when the video prove i did
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Rex Aparte
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:43:00 -
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Here is my conspiracy theory, because it is utterly laughable that anyone should actually participate in such scams. Tera iG is your alt. You keep posting with him not to point out the 300m loss, but so people will look further down the list and see where you doubled his 50m and 100m deposits. |
Tera iG
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 16:56:00 -
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Rex Aparte wrote:Here is my conspiracy theory, because it is utterly laughable that anyone should actually participate in such scams. Tera iG is your alt. You keep posting with him not to point out the 300m loss, but so people will look further down the list and see where you doubled his 50m and 100m deposits.
im not her alt and she did scam me after i sent her 50 mill i sent 300 and she scammed me |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9852
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:36:00 -
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My isk was doubled, I'll never have to work again "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Luffleg
Big Diggers Trifectas Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:40:00 -
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Dramatic title: Another conspiracy theory!
So, I decided to try this very risky "Game of Iskies" - One of the most frightening "Double isk"-scams to date. I'm not a wealthy guy, but I had enough to make this little experiment.
I deposited 200mil to Erotica's wallet, much to my surprise I actually got the 400mil back pretty quickly, followed by a mail from Erotica giving me 'Thanks' and told me he were going out for a smoke. This is where I had to decide, keep the money or risk it all going further? I risked it, for the community I thought.
He was away for a few minutes and when he came back apparently his wallet had been spammed with .10's and he couldn't verify my deposit.This is where I understood what was truly going on and indeed confirmed the end result of this experiment. As you know, how hard is it to confirm a deposit on, let's say, EVEMon? Takes about 10 seconds, this is where I truly knew that I was stuck in the mud for good.
As I decided to keep going, I needed to PLEX myself some fast iskies in order to reveal his little ".10 wallet-spam-can't-verify-deposit"-stunt.
After about an hour of waiting for the PLEX I was ready to give him another 800mil isk. (Am I crazy you ask? Yes, extremely so. I had already lost the money I had, and again, I might as well go all out as I originally intended.)
So, I made sure he was "watching" and "taking note" of his balance. I made the deposit on his go, he asked me to enter a "tip" on his bounty so I did that as well, I deposited my last 42mil.
TL;DR - So, I gave him some iskies in return for some juicy evidence of his little project. Mostly because I knew that the evidence already provided was lack-luster and could easily be framed as "troll attempts", "failed deposits" or "people don't read the rules.", etc.
Feel free to PM me if you want the "full story" - And if you want to help me recover the losses I've made, feel free to do so. However, don't feel obliged - I did this knowingly and I expect nothing in return from anyone.
PS: I know that this will quickly be accused asa troll attempt, "false accusations" and all that jazz. Just ask yourself one quick question, why would I spend this amount of time to achieve something if it wasn't valid? What do I have to gain, why would I care? --- Exactly. ;)
Much love, Luffleg.
The Album of pictures: http://imgur.com/a/6oPdu
Pictures: http://i.imgur.com/yKZh1QRh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/il4UVU6h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Wn63RIJh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ftEnsCRh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Zyz8jh2h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aybmPXqh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/M0LWCjq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qnn3htw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GsDSZhY.jpg
Also, just to cover as much angles I can. Here is my timezone which explains +1 hour on transaction logs. http://i.imgur.com/Kl5Xinb.jpg |
Tera iG
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:59:00 -
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Luffleg wrote:Dramatic title: Another conspiracy theory!So, I decided to try this very risky "Game of Iskies" - One of the most frightening "Double isk"-scams to date. I'm not a wealthy guy, but I had enough to make this little experiment. I deposited 200mil to Erotica's wallet, much to my surprise I actually got the 400mil back pretty quickly, followed by a mail from Erotica giving me 'Thanks' and told me he were going out for a smoke. This is where I had to decide, keep the money or risk it all going further? I risked it, for the community I thought. He was away for a few minutes and when he came back apparently his wallet had been spammed with .10's and he couldn't verify my deposit.This is where I understood what was truly going on and indeed confirmed the end result of this experiment. As you know, how hard is it to confirm a deposit on, let's say, EVEMon? Takes about 10 seconds, this is where I truly knew that I was stuck in the mud for good. As I decided to keep going, I needed to PLEX myself some fast iskies in order to reveal his little ".10 wallet-spam-can't-verify-deposit"-stunt. After about an hour of waiting for the PLEX I was ready to give him another 800mil isk. (Am I crazy you ask? Yes, extremely so. I had already lost the money I had, and again, I might as well go all out as I originally intended.) So, I made sure he was "watching" and "taking note" of his balance. I made the deposit on his go, he asked me to enter a "tip" on his bounty so I did that as well, I deposited my last 42mil. TL;DR - So, I gave him some iskies in return for some juicy evidence of his little project. Mostly because I knew that the evidence already provided was lack-luster and could easily be framed as "troll attempts", "failed deposits" or "people don't read the rules.", etc. Feel free to PM me if you want the "full story" - And if you want to help me recover the losses I've made, feel free to do so. However, don't feel obliged - I did this knowingly and I expect nothing in return from anyone. PS: I know that this will quickly be accused asa troll attempt, "false accusations" and all that jazz. Just ask yourself one quick question, why would I spend this amount of time to achieve something if it wasn't valid? What do I have to gain, why would I care? --- Exactly. ;) Much love, Luffleg. The Album of pictures: http://imgur.com/a/6oPduPictures: http://i.imgur.com/yKZh1QRh.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/il4UVU6h.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Wn63RIJh.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ftEnsCRh.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Zyz8jh2h.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/aybmPXqh.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/M0LWCjq.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Qnn3htw.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/GsDSZhY.jpgAlso, just to cover as much angles I can. Here is my timezone which explains +1 hour on transaction logs. http://i.imgur.com/Kl5Xinb.jpg
thats what he said to me now he says i need to send him another 300mill |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2949
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:38:00 -
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Legit ISK doubler.
Now I KNOW ive seen everything. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Kimo Khan
76
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:50:00 -
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What I see is you gave 50mil, got back 100mil (+ 50 mil) you gave 100 mil got back 200 mil (+150mil)
You gave 300 mil got back nothing. Net loss 150mil not 300mil. |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
340
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:45:00 -
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I find it rather comical the lengths some of you unsavories on the internet go towards endeavouring to unjustly sully and besmirch the name of a legitimate and generous business women.
Those of you who are posting falsehood "smokescreen" evidence should hold your heads in shame.
Keep up the good work Erotica, and ignore the jealous capsuleers who can't comprehend how giving to the community rather than taking from it can be a rewarding and enriching personal experience. Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:38:00 -
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Kimo Khan wrote:What I see is you gave 50mil, got back 100mil (+ 50 mil) you gave 100 mil got back 200 mil (+150mil) You gave 300 mil got back nothing. Net loss 150mil not 300mil. Congratulations, Tera iG, you can't follow rules.
Notably, in her rules: "Each investment must be at least 2x what you received just prior."
So, your 100mil was technically against her rules (since you'd just received 100, so the minimum would've been 200), but she was apparently feeling generous and doubled it anyway.
Your 300mil was against the rules as well, since the minimum for you to send at that point would've been 400mil. |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9859
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:17:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Legit ISK doubler.
Now I KNOW ive seen everything.
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head? "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
407
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Posted - 2013.03.28 03:37:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Legit ISK doubler.
Now I KNOW ive seen everything. Have you ever seen a man eat his own head? A p4nis of size, a few ribs removed and being acrobatic and i hear tales of it being possible Black Man with Goggles |
Aldrex
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.03.28 04:27:00 -
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So just had a run in with this "legit" ISK doubler. Figured I'd give it a shot, take a risk, and see how the game is played. Since I've played, I'd like to now share exactly what the scam is to those allured by it:
- First she reels you in with you making a small (50mill to maybe 200 mill) donation she does indeed double, along with the claims by other people who had her truthfully double their small amounts.
- The trick comes directly after this when you start feeling secure and safe in this being an actual "business".
- Maybe not in your second, but at least definitely in your third when you've sent her a good amount of isk, you'll find her not sending you anything back.
- When confronted about this, she states something akin to "Oh, I got spammed and didn't see it. Send me the same amount and a screenshot and I'll triple it".
- This is where her real scam begins. You've already sent a large amount that she fully intends on keeping, and now she has you were you possibly think she's legit given she's already done what she promised.
- So you're considering her proposal, but regardless if you give her more isk, you've already fallen in her trap. You can either cut your losses or dig yourself deeper. Either way she's not paying you anything.
- Furthermore, when confronted, she will continue to insist that you are actually scamming her. That if you weren't, you'd send her the isk she asked for. Nevermind the fact that she would lose more by simply giving you your money back, or even just simply tripling it as she promised.
- Also, she'll claim that she gets photoshoped images all the time and can't tell if it's shopped or not unless she has the duplicate amount to compare against, which sounds like utter BS if ever there was any. If I could shop it once, I could shop it twice.
- When pressed on the logic of all this, and in fact even presented with an API key showing the exact transaction through EVE's own site, she still feigns ignorance, claims you're trying to trick and scam her, and demands you send her even more isk as proof of your sincerity.
TL;DR:
Your first low amount of ISK you send might return double (provided you follow her rules). Any ISK sent of sizable amount, however, will be promptly kept, and when questioned she'll actually accuse the accuser of scamming, ignoring all logic and proof, demanding you send her even more isk.
Just figure'd I'd enlighten those who were curious as to the true nature and inner workings of her "business".
P.S. You might could scam the scammer though by creating alts more than 4 weeks old and sending her the min bid only once following her rules in an attempt to beat her at her own game. Most people can make more money doing other things for 4 weeks, but still, if everyone were to use their alts to beat her at her own game, she'd soon be out of ISK and everyone would be a modest bit richer. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
27
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Posted - 2013.03.28 05:37:00 -
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Aldrex wrote:So just had a run in with this "legit" ISK doubler. Figured I'd give it a shot, take a risk, and see how the game is played. Since I've played, I'd like to now share exactly what the scam is to those allured by it:
- First she reels you in with you making a small (50mill to maybe 200 mill) donation she does indeed double, along with the claims by other people who had her truthfully double their small amounts.
- The trick comes directly after this when you start feeling secure and safe in this being an actual "business".
- Maybe not in your second, but at least definitely in your third when you've sent her a good amount of isk, you'll find her not sending you anything back.
- When confronted about this, she states something akin to "Oh, I got spammed and didn't see it. Send me the same amount and a screenshot and I'll triple it".
- This is where her real scam begins. You've already sent a large amount that she fully intends on keeping, and now she has you were you possibly think she's legit given she's already done what she promised.
- So you're considering her proposal, but regardless if you give her more isk, you've already fallen in her trap. You can either cut your losses or dig yourself deeper. Either way she's not paying you anything.
- Furthermore, when confronted, she will continue to insist that you are actually scamming her. That if you weren't, you'd send her the isk she asked for. Nevermind the fact that she would lose more by simply giving you your money back, or even just simply tripling it as she promised.
- Also, she'll claim that she gets photoshoped images all the time and can't tell if it's shopped or not unless she has the duplicate amount to compare against, which sounds like utter BS if ever there was any. If I could shop it once, I could shop it twice.
- When pressed on the logic of all this, and in fact even presented with an API key showing the exact transaction through EVE's own site, she still feigns ignorance, claims you're trying to trick and scam her, and demands you send her even more isk as proof of your sincerity.
TL;DR: Your first low amount of ISK you send might return double (provided you follow her rules). Any ISK sent of sizable amount, however, will be promptly kept, and when questioned she'll actually accuse the accuser of scamming, ignoring all logic and proof, demanding you send her even more isk. Just figure'd I'd enlighten those who were curious as to the true nature and inner workings of her "business". P.S. You might could scam the scammer though by creating alts more than 4 weeks old and sending her the min bid only once following her rules in an attempt to beat her at her own game. Most people can make more money doing other things for 4 weeks, but still, if everyone were to use their alts to beat her at her own game, she'd soon be out of ISK and everyone would be a modest bit richer.
Rubbish. I stayed up for hours with this client to try and resolve matters. How many "legit" doublers offer such service? Most block you and keep everything. I spent HOURS trying to negotiate through our hiccup and he kept demanding I give him the world or he would "expose" me.
Notice there are no pics. Shameful!
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Aldrex
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.03.28 12:25:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote: Rubbish. I stayed up for hours with this client to try and resolve matters. How many "legit" doublers offer such service? Most block you and keep everything. I spent HOURS trying to negotiate through our hiccup and he kept demanding I give him the world or he would "expose" me.
Notice there are no pics. Shameful!
I can provide chat logs, api, and pics of my wallet should anyone request. I love how much stock you claim to put into photos and then claim they're all shopped when photos are provided. Quite amusing really. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
74
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Posted - 2013.03.28 13:19:00 -
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the trick, actually, is to post using alts in this awful thread claiming you have "worked out the rules" in the hope idiots will think "well i may aswell just double my 50mil and be done with it."
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Aldrex
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.03.28 13:24:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:the trick, actually, is to post using alts in this awful thread claiming you have "worked out the rules" in the hope idiots will think "well i may aswell just double my 50mil and be done with it."
Well, I explained how she operates. Any money you send her is still liable to be taken. I just stated, as the time of that posting, she does honor the first small amount of isk sent so long as it follows her rules. She has to in order to reel you in for bigger amounts. She's still a scammer, and you be aware of that if you do send her anything, even if it's just trying to get that first small amount back. |
Tiger Armani
Mialto Corp The Last Chancers.
38
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:02:00 -
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Just mind boggling that so many eve players actually falls to this scam with all the evidence.
One more proof that mankind is doomed. |
Rex Aparte
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:24:00 -
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As a result of this thread, I took it upon myself to get to the bottom of it all. As with any good detective work, I decided to begin at the beginning. Since isk doubling is a well known scam, someone making a legit business out of it seemed sketchy at best. How would one even attempt it? Delving into my target's bio, I found my answer: rules. It appeared on the outside that this was more than your average "send me some isk and I'll double it" scheme. I thought to myself, "self, can you follow some simple rules? If not we need to scrap this right now." Self said to me, "Let's do the damn thang." I transferred a cool 1 billion isk in from my main and the fun began. I logged in and began the process of decoding the intricate rules of this Most Dangerous Game. 50-500m isk get 2x back. 600m-1b get 3x back! 3-5b get 5x back! "WOW" I said, my lust for free isk overcoming me. But wait, what's that in the fine print... Each investment must be at least (this is important) 2x what you received just prior, 3 investments per player. Time to dance the dance. I mapped out my conquest, If my first donation is 100m I'd get 200m back. Okay, so 100m out, 200m in. Then I suppose jump to 600m, which is at least 2x 200m, get 1.8b back? So now I need to invest at least 2x 1.8b or 3.6b+. Hmm, seems I would be a little short on isk, but hey, that's what a main is for,correct? Another 1.3b later and I'm back in the game. 3.6b out, holy ****: 18 BILLION in! Remember, this is all in my head. Do I have the cajones to go through with this? Quadruple checking my work, I am sure I am playing by the rules. Here goes nothing...
100m out 200m in! so far so good
jump it up to 600m 1.8b in!
now for the money maker 3.6 (gulp) billion out ... ... ... 18 billion in. Suddenly I was space rich.
As Walter Sobchak might say, "This is not Nam. There are rules." Good Luck. |
Phoenix Bibbs
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:00:00 -
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Aldrex wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: Rubbish. I stayed up for hours with this client to try and resolve matters. How many "legit" doublers offer such service? Most block you and keep everything. I spent HOURS trying to negotiate through our hiccup and he kept demanding I give him the world or he would "expose" me.
Notice there are no pics. Shameful!
I can provide chat logs, api, and pics of my wallet should anyone request. I love how much stock you claim to put into photos and then claim they're all shopped when photos are provided. Quite amusing really.
Even more amusing Erotica 1/beancounter Jaynara used to brag when we were in the same PVP corp about these scams and how he'd edit logs and photoshop things.
What's even more unbelievable is the sheer number of people who fall for his scheme.
Can also confirm the obvious that the people confirming this as not a scam are his alts or friends of his. |
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