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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:48:00 -
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http://imgur.com/a/c3oYb#10 came from Mynnna's post on top bty, but again, its all up in the sky right now, nothing confirmed as fact from what I understand |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
364
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:53:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:http://imgur.com/a/c3oYb#10 came from Mynnna's post on top bty, but again, its all up in the sky right now, nothing confirmed as fact from what I understand
But we already have player owned starbases..... that's what POS stands for.
And that slide refers to the 'little improvements' they are making to POSes that they have already announced in this dev blog.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74807 |
Shaya Phnx
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.23 20:35:00 -
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what do you think about cap rigs, the production prices are 4 times higher then large rigs:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=30994
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=25895
i noticed the prices going up little, but not that much |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
498
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:46:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:introduction of player owned starbases could possibly send the prices who knows where.
Personal style "residences" in space have been mentioned on and off, along with the other POS changes: like POS being anchorable anywhere (not just around moons) and being able to move (some sort of "jump drive" ) and I believe both details were mentioned by CCP Soundwave at last year's Fanfest. If I remember correctly. Should still be a video available in various places.
Those "cabins in space" would need fuels, too. Presumably POS fuels... but with PI always a good bet for expansion, who knows what might creep in under the radar. 
Maybe PI produced "Twinkie" sized fuel rods... DOH !
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Umar Umarhabib
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:59:00 -
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cap rigs have always been on this website, it has been there for years. nothing new. |
Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding
Test Alliance Please Ignore
478
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Posted - 2013.04.24 00:13:00 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote:cap rigs have always been on this website, it has been there for years. nothing new.
Well, except for CCP officially announcing they would be included in the next patch that is.
And the production prices are 5 times the large rig production price.
And my titan comes out like two days after the patch  |
Umar Umarhabib
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.04.24 00:30:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Umar Umarhabib wrote:cap rigs have always been on this website, it has been there for years. nothing new. Well, except for CCP officially announcing they would be included in the next patch that is. And the production prices are 5 times the large rig production price. And my titan comes out like two days after the patch
where???? link plz |
Rhivre
TarNec
59
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Posted - 2013.04.24 01:14:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=228222 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
928
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Posted - 2013.04.24 07:11:00 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:And my titan comes out like two days after the patch where???? link plz
Link to where his Titan is sooz it can be aborted   
Disclaimer: CCP Bias is a fictional character. In case that some CCP Bias does exist,-áis he an "ex"-Goon?
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Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:31:00 -
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You should have bought up the stock then! 
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BrutalButFair
Happy Endings.
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Posted - 2013.04.24 09:22:00 -
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My best guess is agents in player owned stations. Missions to find plexes and destroy commander and get loot of the specific faction. So prob pirate/faction modules will drop in price.
This does 2 things a lot of people want. Buff nullsec a little bit and nerf higsec a little bit. |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
375
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:45:00 -
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New Decryptors, plus old ones renamed.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2882636#post2882636 |
Umar Umarhabib
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.24 17:38:00 -
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If Ice Fields have to be scanned, then it must mean they deplete.
Is there anything in Eve you have to scan, but after you find it, it stays there forever and never deplete? |
Elizabeth Norn
Tax Evasion Haven
New Eden Research.
29
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Posted - 2013.04.24 22:34:00 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote:If Ice Fields have to be scanned, then it must mean they deplete. Is there anything in Eve you have to scan, but after you find it, it stays there forever and never deplete?
Miners are the closest thing that fits your description.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
525
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Posted - 2013.04.26 18:41:00 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote:
If Ice Fields have to be scanned, then it must mean they deplete.
Is there anything in Eve you have to scan, but after you find it, it stays there forever and never deplete?
Ka-ching. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Chal82
Capital Gents
Nulli Legio
7
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Posted - 2013.04.26 18:52:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Umar Umarhabib wrote:
If Ice Fields have to be scanned, then it must mean they deplete.
Is there anything in Eve you have to scan, but after you find it, it stays there forever and never deplete?
Ka-ching.
I think they confirmed depletion a little later, they will deplete and regenerate after 4hrs
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
878
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:24:00 -
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Many popular ratting setups will become unusable once elite frigates are added to forsaken hubs. This might be an interesting opportunity for speculation (at least a little more interesting than minerals, ice, ...).
TEST alt - don't trust. |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
564
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:36:00 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote:If Ice Fields have to be scanned, then it must mean they deplete. Is there anything in Eve you have to scan, but after you find it, it stays there forever and never deplete?
Yes. Moon mineral composition. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
925
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:43:00 -
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R64s are now bottlenecked. Expect them to rise, as well as the products that they go into at the intermediate and advanced levels.
Ice now depletes, has to be scanned out (which is easy, to be fair) and according to CCP "only 80% of demand can be met by highsec". I'd expect the price to at least triple as a result.
Gravimetric sites in nullsec are now quite attractive, with a ton of new low ends available to them. This will probably cause low end prices to fall, high end prices remain to be seen - there are a couple of scenarios. However, that still makes BS tiericide a good investment if they bump what are now tier 1 and tier 2 ships up to tier 3 build costs - even in the "worst case" scenario, a Tier 3 BS still costs about 150 or so to build.
Check themittani.com this weekend for a more in-depth look, once I finish writing it.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:32:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-companion-blog/
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Below is a list of the affected ore types, with the amount of minerals that they provide for each refine volume. Changes are in brackets.
Arkonor: 10000 Tritanium (+9700), 166 Zydrine, 333 Megacyte
Bistot: 12000 Pyerite (+11830), 341 Zydrine, 170 Megacyte
Crokite: 38000 Tritanium (+37669), 331 Nocxium, 663 Zydrine
Dark Ochre: 25500 Tritanium (+25250), 500 Nocxium, 250 Zydrine
Gneiss: 3700 Tritanium (+3529), 3700 Mexallon (+3529), 700 Isogen (+357), 171 Zydrine
Spodumain: 71000 Tritanium (+67810), 9000 Pyerite (+8590), 140 Megacyte
Trit and pyer getting much much cheaper ? |
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
100
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Posted - 2013.04.27 01:53:00 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote:If Ice Fields have to be scanned, then it must mean they deplete. Is there anything in Eve you have to scan, but after you find it, it stays there forever and never deplete?
On fanfest we heard that they could be depleted and would respawn with the same rate as the scanned down site now does. So icefield depletion would no longer have a refresh on DT only. |
Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.27 02:18:00 -
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We should get more people mining ice as the value increases. Less people will mine veld, keeping the price of Trit up. At the end of the day, I would expect a balance between veld, pyroxies and ice in terms of isk per hour.
The amount of miners will probably decrease (by 33%?) due to people not being able to AFK ice mine. So as a guestimate, you could take the isk/hr of mining veld, pyerite ind ice, add them divide by 2 to get the new value. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
926
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Posted - 2013.04.27 02:21:00 -
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Stonkeep wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-companion-blog/ Quote:
Below is a list of the affected ore types, with the amount of minerals that they provide for each refine volume. Changes are in brackets.
Arkonor: 10000 Tritanium (+9700), 166 Zydrine, 333 Megacyte
Bistot: 12000 Pyerite (+11830), 341 Zydrine, 170 Megacyte
Crokite: 38000 Tritanium (+37669), 331 Nocxium, 663 Zydrine
Dark Ochre: 25500 Tritanium (+25250), 500 Nocxium, 250 Zydrine
Gneiss: 3700 Tritanium (+3529), 3700 Mexallon (+3529), 700 Isogen (+357), 171 Zydrine
Spodumain: 71000 Tritanium (+67810), 9000 Pyerite (+8590), 140 Megacyte
Trit and pyer getting much much cheaper ?
That's almost a guarantee, although in the short term you should see prices bolstered somewhat by Tiericide, depending on the changes. A Tier 3 BS still costs ~160m at the low end (maelstrom) and ~200m at the high end (abaddon) even if (for example) trit drops to 4, pyerite to 8, mex to 45 and isogen to 90, with nocx, zyd and mega staying the same as they are now, so if current tier 1 and tier 2 prices are adjusted up to around tier 3 there's a lot of room to move, and people will be building lots of BS.
e: Wrote my deeper analysis, look for it on themittani.com tomorrow.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Whereis Mebong
Invictus Australis
Scrap Iron Flotilla.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 03:03:00 -
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So how much will tech drop, and much will thulium etc go to?
Are there any smart people here that can do some math on the info supplied info from the blogs? I can't count higher then 20 (thats all the digits i have)........maybe 21 if i have to...wink wink |
Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
578
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Posted - 2013.04.27 04:22:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Stonkeep wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-companion-blog/ Quote:
Below is a list of the affected ore types, with the amount of minerals that they provide for each refine volume. Changes are in brackets.
Arkonor: 10000 Tritanium (+9700), 166 Zydrine, 333 Megacyte
Bistot: 12000 Pyerite (+11830), 341 Zydrine, 170 Megacyte
Crokite: 38000 Tritanium (+37669), 331 Nocxium, 663 Zydrine
Dark Ochre: 25500 Tritanium (+25250), 500 Nocxium, 250 Zydrine
Gneiss: 3700 Tritanium (+3529), 3700 Mexallon (+3529), 700 Isogen (+357), 171 Zydrine
Spodumain: 71000 Tritanium (+67810), 9000 Pyerite (+8590), 140 Megacyte
Trit and pyer getting much much cheaper ? That's almost a guarantee, although in the short term you should see prices bolstered somewhat by Tiericide, depending on the changes. A Tier 3 BS still costs ~160m at the low end (maelstrom) and ~200m at the high end (abaddon) even if (for example) trit drops to 4, pyerite to 8, mex to 45 and isogen to 90, with nocx, zyd and mega staying the same as they are now, so if current tier 1 and tier 2 prices are adjusted up to around tier 3 there's a lot of room to move, and people will be building lots of BS. e: Wrote my deeper analysis, look for it on themittani.com tomorrow.
While this is true, I believe there is a reasonable chance that CCP will make a case for Battleships similar to battlecruisers, and will only bump tier 1 bs up to the level of tier 2, with the possibility of (a precedent) moving tier 3 down to tier 2, or leaving it where it is. This would see a much more neglible increase in value of investment, with the possibility of isk being lost, with enough of a mineral drop. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
928
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Posted - 2013.04.27 04:28:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:While this is true, I believe there is a reasonable chance that CCP will make a case for Battleships similar to battlecruisers, and will only bump tier 1 bs up to the level of tier 2, with the possibility of (a precedent) moving tier 3 down to tier 2, or leaving it where it is. This would see a much more neglible increase in value of investment, with the possibility of isk being lost, with enough of a mineral drop.
If they do lower Tier 3 to Tier 2, all bets are off, yes. But if they don't, then the Domi, Apoc and Raven all have to (well, okay, "probably") increase up to Tier 3, as they're becoming Combat BS alongside the existing Tier 3, and the worst case for the remaining ships (Geddon, Tempest, Typhoon and Megathron) is becoming/staying at Tier 2 as the Attack class.
I can't rule it out, but I would be rather surprised if they lowered the cost of the ship. If nothing else, BS sitting around 200m (at current mineral prices of course) makes sense. Given those same current prices, you have cruisers around 8-10m and battlecruisers around 50. 200 is a decent next logical step in the progression.
We'll see soon enough though.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
El 1974
Green Visstick High
Green Rhino
82
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:40:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote:We should get more people mining ice as the value increases. Less people will mine veld, keeping the price of Trit up. At the end of the day, I would expect a balance between veld, pyroxies and ice in terms of isk per hour.
The amount of miners will probably decrease (by 33%?) due to people not being able to AFK ice mine.
There's not going to be enough ice. Most ice fields will deplete before the site respawns. This guarantees that ice will be expensive. I expect lots of ore miners will become part-time ice miners. And the more ice miners there are, the faster those sites will deplete. I expect a lot of miners will mine ice till the sites deplete and then log off, mine ores, run missions or whatever. People will set their alarmclocks for this. |
Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:49:00 -
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Yea. 80% off all ice requirements are going to be seeded in hi-sec. Assuming they are fully mined, there will still be a big bottleneck.
I'm glad I bought a bunch of fuel a few weeks ago. I just spent another 4bn on ice for the hell of it, I'd imagine it would have to go up to a decent isk/hr rate now that it will be more or less the same as mining regular ore.
Even with the isotopes at 1000 isk p/u, you will only be pulling in 20m per hour mining ice. No point really, if you can not afk mine any more. |
Kithran
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Posted - 2013.04.27 07:41:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Yea. 80% off all ice requirements are going to be seeded in hi-sec. Assuming they are fully mined, there will still be a big bottleneck.
I'm glad I bought a bunch of fuel a few weeks ago. I just spent another 4bn on ice for the hell of it, I'd imagine it would have to go up to a decent isk/hr rate now that it will be more or less the same as mining regular ore.
Even with the isotopes at 1000 isk p/u, you will only be pulling in 20m per hour mining ice. No point really, if you can not afk mine any more.
Have you factored the halving of the cycle time into your calculation? |
Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.04.27 11:22:00 -
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Kithran wrote:Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Yea. 80% off all ice requirements are going to be seeded in hi-sec. Assuming they are fully mined, there will still be a big bottleneck.
I'm glad I bought a bunch of fuel a few weeks ago. I just spent another 4bn on ice for the hell of it, I'd imagine it would have to go up to a decent isk/hr rate now that it will be more or less the same as mining regular ore.
Even with the isotopes at 1000 isk p/u, you will only be pulling in 20m per hour mining ice. No point really, if you can not afk mine any more. Have you factored the halving of the cycle time into your calculation?
it doesn't really matter if it takes 1 hour to deplete a belt or 2 hours. Supply is fixed at a maximum of 80% eve needs in hi-sec.
Cycle time will not increase the amount of available ice. So people be mining ice for 1hr and then other ores for the other 3hrs.
They will only really do that if ice is much higher than the other ores in isk/hr. |
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