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YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
728
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Posted - 2013.05.03 23:21:00 -
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mynnna wrote:On the contrary, my argument regarding the current state of mining is extremely relevant, as CCP's changes - taking away the ability to do extremely low interaction "gameplay" all day long and replacing it with something that demands a higher level of interaction - demonstrates that they feel the same way.
Can't say that I read minds, but my impression was that the ice changes were less about eliminating afk'er and more about turning ice into the conflict-driver that it had the potential to become. Resource competition and economic incentive are generally good conflict-drivers, and the presence of an infinite/never-depleting rock that could be mined forever didn't have any contribution to the economic conflicts that help to make Eve interesting. Turning ice more into the Eve version of RL oil, and rightfully so, makes things more dynamic, which I think everyone would agree with.
But hopefully not because ccp wanted to suppress the game-style of some of its players which choose solo mine or afk miner play.
yk |
Zappity
Kurved Space
49
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:39:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Can't say that I read minds, but my impression was that the ice changes were less about eliminating afk'er and more about turning ice into the conflict-driver that it had the potential to become. Resource competition and economic incentive are generally good conflict-drivers, and the presence of an infinite/never-depleting rock that could be mined forever didn't have any contribution to the economic conflicts that help to make Eve interesting. Turning ice more into the Eve version of RL oil, and rightfully so, makes things more dynamic, which I think everyone would agree with.
But hopefully not because ccp wanted to suppress the game-style of some of its players which choose solo mine or afk miner play.
yk
What an astonishing post. How can you even attempt to justify AFK behaviour in an MMO?
I badly want to gank an AFK miner now. If I find one I will direct them here for reference.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2013.05.04 04:36:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:mynnna wrote:On the contrary, my argument regarding the current state of mining is extremely relevant, as CCP's changes - taking away the ability to do extremely low interaction "gameplay" all day long and replacing it with something that demands a higher level of interaction - demonstrates that they feel the same way. Can't say that I read minds, but my impression was that the ice changes were less about eliminating afk'er and more about turning ice into the conflict-driver that it had the potential to become. Resource competition and economic incentive are generally good conflict-drivers, and the presence of an infinite/never-depleting rock that could be mined forever didn't have any contribution to the economic conflicts that help to make Eve interesting. Turning ice more into the Eve version of RL oil, and rightfully so, makes things more dynamic, which I think everyone would agree with.
I...
wait...
why are we even arguing again? We seem to agree.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
OfBalance
Caldari State
441
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Posted - 2013.05.04 04:50:00 -
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Chief Ambassador wrote:So what do you guys think will happen to super prices?
1. Stay the same.
2. Go down. (if so by what %)
3. Go up.
4. Death to all? |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
883
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:08:00 -
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mynnna wrote:YuuKnow wrote:mynnna wrote:On the contrary, my argument regarding the current state of mining is extremely relevant, as CCP's changes - taking away the ability to do extremely low interaction "gameplay" all day long and replacing it with something that demands a higher level of interaction - demonstrates that they feel the same way. Can't say that I read minds, but my impression was that the ice changes were less about eliminating afk'er and more about turning ice into the conflict-driver that it had the potential to become. Resource competition and economic incentive are generally good conflict-drivers, and the presence of an infinite/never-depleting rock that could be mined forever didn't have any contribution to the economic conflicts that help to make Eve interesting. Turning ice more into the Eve version of RL oil, and rightfully so, makes things more dynamic, which I think everyone would agree with. I... wait... why are we even arguing again? We seem to agree.
I just saw all these pages you have been busying doing outreach to the unwashed masses. The CSM job sucks.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
729
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Posted - 2013.05.05 00:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:YuuKnow wrote:mynnna wrote:On the contrary, my argument regarding the current state of mining is extremely relevant, as CCP's changes - taking away the ability to do extremely low interaction "gameplay" all day long and replacing it with something that demands a higher level of interaction - demonstrates that they feel the same way. Can't say that I read minds, but my impression was that the ice changes were less about eliminating afk'er and more about turning ice into the conflict-driver that it had the potential to become. Resource competition and economic incentive are generally good conflict-drivers, and the presence of an infinite/never-depleting rock that could be mined forever didn't have any contribution to the economic conflicts that help to make Eve interesting. Turning ice more into the Eve version of RL oil, and rightfully so, makes things more dynamic, which I think everyone would agree with. I... wait... why are we even arguing again? We seem to agree.
Not arguing. I think everyone thinks the ice changes are good for the game.
I just think that one of the things that make Eve great is that their are sooooooo many different styles of play. I hate seeing one sec of players trying to dictate the 'acceptable' play styles to another sec. Eve's big enough for everyone's style.
yk |
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
12
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:27:00 -
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Battleships go up, up up!
Most have around 30M to climb just to make up for the new build costs. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
742
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:35:00 -
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On a semi-random note. Anyone know the percentage of POS that are in WH space, null sec space, and low-sec space respectively? Seems like a conveniently missing piece of data for speculation purposes.
yk |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
65
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:44:00 -
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The gnosis will be the ultimate surprise win. Just wait and see.... 
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Idol1
IGI Purchasing
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:47:00 -
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People mine ice exactly because it's easy money. Make it a PITA to mine ice and no one is going to mine ice. It just won't be worth it. You can make much more money mining ore even now that the ice is endless. Put a limit on the amount of ice combined with a 4 hour possible wait time and no one is going to touch the stuff. |
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
606
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:10:00 -
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Idol1 wrote:People mine ice exactly because it's easy money. Make it a PITA to mine ice and no one is going to mine ice. It just won't be worth it. You can make much more money mining ore even now that the ice is endless. Put a limit on the amount of ice combined with a 4 hour possible wait time and no one is going to touch the stuff.
This, exactly.
Looking at a few of the ice fields in Caldari space over the past week, the smaller numbers suggests that some ice miners have already shifted back to ore in the hopes of getting ahead on BS production before Odyssey.
And, of course, after a few weeks of chasing anoms the "Can't Be Arsed" factor will climb steadily.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Idol1
IGI Purchasing
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:16:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Idol1 wrote:People mine ice exactly because it's easy money. Make it a PITA to mine ice and no one is going to mine ice. It just won't be worth it. You can make much more money mining ore even now that the ice is endless. Put a limit on the amount of ice combined with a 4 hour possible wait time and no one is going to touch the stuff. This, exactly. Looking at a few of the ice fields in Caldari space over the past week, the smaller numbers suggests that some ice miners have already shifted back to ore in the hopes of getting ahead on BS production before Odyssey. And, of course, after a few weeks of chasing anoms the "Can't Be Arsed" factor will climb steadily.
Miners will scatter to the wind in search of a system to mine. Far far away from any ice field. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:59:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Bling BlingBling wrote:Succubi & Phantasms. Guaranteed Pirate Cruisers are next up on the re balance schedule. The devs seemed to have no idea about those ships at fanfest. I'd be very surprised if they're boosted in the next 2-3 iterations. -Liang
Also, keep in mind that these ships are insanely expensive and have little utility. Even if CCP buffs these ships, they are probably going to increase drop rates by quite a bit. |
Danni stark
216
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Posted - 2013.05.11 11:12:00 -
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Idol1 wrote:Miners will scatter to the wind in search of a system to mine. Far far away from any ice field.
considering the isk/hour difference between ice and ore, i'll wager they'll either mine ore until anoms respawn, or do something else, i doubt people will roam around looking for ice anoms.
especially in systems with multiple anoms where respawns will be as frequent as 2hrs or so due to multiple anoms spawning.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Idol1
IGI Purchasing
1
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:58:00 -
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The question is where they are going to find ore to mine. Assuming most miners are going to mine ore when the ice is not up, how long before all the systems around an ice system are depleted?
So essentially people will go from AFK ice mining to flying around to find anything to mine at all? Gonna be rough. |
Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:47:00 -
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Idol1 wrote:People mine ice exactly because it's easy money. Make it a PITA to mine ice and no one is going to mine ice. It just won't be worth it. You can make much more money mining ore even now that the ice is endless. Put a limit on the amount of ice combined with a 4 hour possible wait time and no one is going to touch the stuff.
Doesn't this just mean that the price of ice needs to rise to the levels of the price of ore? It seems like speculation as to how much of an increase is needed is already being done on the market, although they may be wrong (thus it is speculation). |
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
17
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Posted - 2013.05.15 05:42:00 -
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Navy Geddons will go up. I know of a few alliances seriously EFT warrioring Navy Geddon doctrines. |
Samroski
Games Inc.
The Night Crew Alliance
216
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:51:00 -
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I think this ice stuff is really a T2 BPO buff.
Increased POS running costs are likely to result in increased T2 production costs, and in better margins when producing off T2 BPOs.
I am aware that many T2 BPOs are collector items and never produced off. Still, the perception of better profits will only drive their price further up. The prices (in my perception) have doubled anyway over the last year, and no end appears in sight.
Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1376
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:04:00 -
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also: miners don't know wtf when it comes to scanning
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
Rain6639
Team Evil
679
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:22:00 -
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gotta admit, it's unsettling that nobody has anything to say about my previous post. no trolling, or anything.
I wonder if this is one of those cases where I can't spot the fool.
I have Thanatoses for sale, offering 250M finder's reward each. |
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Samroski
Games Inc.
The Night Crew Alliance
236
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Posted - 2013.06.06 08:13:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:gotta admit, it's unsettling that nobody has anything to say about my previous post. no trolling, or anything.
I wonder if this is one of those cases where I can't spot the fool.
I think model 6639 is definitely hotter and more likely to convince people to buy the ships.
I'm a capital ship noob (both flying and selling), thus my opinion may have little value, but generally it is easier to sell un-rigged ships. Rigging them before selling limits your clientele by a BIG percentage. There is generally no standard way of rigging ships, and everyone wants to do their own thing (though I have seen some carrier fits with CCCs).
Unless there has been a buff to this ship, or to drones, or other stuff that the ship uses, it may be difficult to convince people that your items are a good buy/investment post Odyssey.
Best of luck, and hope your plan works.
Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1388
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Posted - 2013.06.06 14:21:00 -
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you know, you're right.
I had a brilliant idea.
I'm going to scour killboards and look for T2 CCC fit thanny losses and ask if they'd be interested in a replacement. 
I have Thanatoses for sale, offering 250M finder's reward each. |
Samroski
Games Inc.
The Night Crew Alliance
239
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:02:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:you know, you're right. I had a brilliant idea. I'm going to scour killboards and look for T2 CCC fit thanny losses and ask if they'd be interested in a replacement.
so do I get the cut?
Any colour you like. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1401
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:50:00 -
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heck no! thankfully I thought of it before you did!
I have Thanatoses for sale, offering 250M finder's reward each. |
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