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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:05:00 -
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So, I have a research alt. I decide to work her standings up a bit so I go to a convenient system. It's 0.9 and nice and quiet.
The first thing I see when I get in-system is a bunch of retarded character names.
lyjxdz1
lyjxdz4
etc etc
All created 6 days ago, all mining in belts. This is slightly different. They are spread out over a few belts and all mining in indies.
Now. If CCP really gave a hoot about this stuff, it would take about 30 seconds to write a query that pulled up dumb names like this. Especially when they are all created at the same time with a sequential number in them.
There must be half a dozen such exceptions that could be queried daily and emailed automatically to a game master.
Why play catch-up with the maggots parasiting off your hard work and inventiveness?
CCP, do you really care about macro miners or is it just lip service?
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The Hanz
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:16:00 -
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Well, as long as they pay for all those accounts, I don't see a reason CCP should ban them unless they are using third party software to control it.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:17:00 -
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Mining in an indy does not mean a macro. In fact it strongly suggests that their owner is not using a macro. Since it doesn't sound like you know what a macro is I'll explain:It's a program that can send multiple commands to another program in order to operate it without human intervention usually so that the human can be off doing something else or else operating more than one program.
No human intervention is required to mine in an Industrial ship - or at least not very much and not very often.
Plonking a an industrial ship in a belt and leaving it to suck on a roid while you go out shopping does not require the use of a macro and is not against the EULA.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:34:00 -
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Yeah, I get that.
Theres 6 of them chugging away quite happily. I'm sure tomorrow they may have graduated into cruisers or destroyers doing the little macro dance.
Perhaps I should ask CCP to put in a rule saying " no sequentialy named afk mining ships with names that make you look as if you banged your head on the keyboard"
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:53:00 -
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actually upgrade all roids to release pollution clouds like mercx and make the mercx cloud do considerably more dmg..... dunno if that would work though.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:54:00 -
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Thats just somone with alot of accounts doing alot of afk mining. It's not involving macros and it's not breaking the EULA.
It may not be in the spirit of the game but the player has chosen to pay for those accounts and tbh can do as he pleases as long as it's within the rules.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Wild Rho
Thats just somone with alot of accounts doing alot of afk mining. It's not involving macros and it's not breaking the EULA.
It may not be in the spirit of the game but the player has chosen to pay for those accounts and tbh can do as he pleases as long as it's within the rules.
Quite correct.
A bumping I will go
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:00:00 -
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Bumping is against the rules!
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:05:00 -
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Yeah! Bumping is against the rules... Never catch me doing that on my threads.... ho-hum...
They are probably not macro mining - just someone who is using a few trial accounts to mine crud loads of ore by leaving them in an indy and a miner module. Besides using lots of trial accounts, there's nothing wrong there as far as i know...
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Countess Amarisa
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:08:00 -
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for my part, one day i was undocking at tash murkon top station. See 4 indy straight in line, suddenly, at SAME time they turn... that interest me, follow them to a belt and they mine at same time... not macro?? i reported and i think, CCP will ban them or him!
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Ace Combat
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:31:00 -
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CCP do care about Macro Miners and have shut plenty of people down in the past.
Thing is you have to be 100% sure they are Macroing before you run around hitting people with the banzor bat, thins takes time to prove.
Mining in a few haulers isn't gonna destroy the eve economy, but when you get 14 large barges stripping an ice belt they need to be shut down as I have witnessed in the past.
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Kedo
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:59:00 -
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If they are all below 14 days it would be interesting . . . Sounds like someone is making many trial accounts getting them in indy's fast (Are they minmitar? As that race can get in an indy within 45 mins from creation).
Granted I see no problem with afk mining, but someone who is running 20 trail accounts on a comp all afk mining might be a lil too much.
I bet you in 14 days played time they will switch to new numbers/names.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:17:00 -
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they care enough that every once in a while theyll ban a few and be vocal about it, despite any protests. it keeps the illusion that the gms actually care about something
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:23:00 -
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The GM's care about macro's, in fact you brighten up their entire day if you report a macro user and the person gets banned in the end.
If you suspect someone uses a macro please petition them, after that they are pretty much fair game when it comes to ore stealing.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Sumica
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Posted - 2005.09.03 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Countess Amarisa
for my part, one day i was undocking at tash murkon top station. See 4 indy straight in line, suddenly, at SAME time they turn... that interest me, follow them to a belt and they mine at same time... not macro?? i reported and i think, CCP will ban them or him!
The going to warp at the same time is't too odd, might just be a gang warp but if all of them did every thing at roughtly the same time I might find it a bit odd.
Your not stupid just misinformed Ö
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Dem Bones
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:10:00 -
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I thought doing afk mining was against the rules, all be it one that they turn a blind eye to
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jonus Rath
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dem Bones
I thought doing afk mining was against the rules, all be it one that they turn a blind eye to
y would it be so ?
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: jonus Rath
Originally by: Dem Bones
I thought doing afk mining was against the rules, all be it one that they turn a blind eye to
y would it be so ?
At the risk of winning the Atkinson Award for Stating the Bleeding Obvious ... it would be so because CCP declared it to be so. Although, in this case, I don't think they *have* declared it to be so, and therefore, it isn't so.
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Dem Bones
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Posted - 2005.09.03 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: jonus Rath
Originally by: Dem Bones
I thought doing afk mining was against the rules, all be it one that they turn a blind eye to
y would it be so ?
I thought I'd seen mention of it in another thread, but I've trawled it up and I had misrembered it. It was a thread on macro and AFK mining. Someone said that CCP 'actively discourages' afk mining, and then followed it up with a quote from the EULA about macromining. I just got my wires crossed 
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.09.04 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kedo
Granted I see no problem with afk mining, but someone who is running 20 trail accounts on a comp all afk mining might be a lil too much.
for the most part i never had any problem with afk mining.. but
to bring some light to your 20 account comment..
my main home system where i build ships and do missions out of has recently
been infested with 20+ macro miners. 3 groups of 5 or 6 apocs + haulers..
the tip off is watching the mining beams on all the bs's start at once..
(about 70% of the time someone is at the keys tho)
a few if the issues this pack is causing is are:
1) when they are in the system, the big missions now lag a bit where
before they did not. (local is usually 12-15.. it's 30-38 avg when they
are there)
2) my buy orders take quite a bit longer to get filled
because the the noobs have a hard time filling a jet from just one belt
(this group mines the belts bare)
3 i get peaved when i have to go to a system or two away now to do a 3-4hour
mining session because i cant find a belt that will fullfil my
needs of the moment.. and i rarely mine to boot..
4) maybe i need some cheese...
yes, i've sent in the pettions (this is the second 20+ account
group in a month) -they take time.
when i'm gonna be in system doing missions for the night,
i spend 40min to an hour stealing their ore till they leave
-usually a few of the locals join in too. oh joy..
hey, i lived there for about a year now.. me thinks they should do
their isk for ebay crap in a system that is not populated with regulars..
This is Uemisaisen, btw..
i think 15-20 bs's is bit over the top for one system
boohoo...
-ank
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.09.04 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 04/09/2005 05:44:45
yeah i thought they cared too, until ive seen tons of ppl petition blatently obvious macro miners and do absolutely nothing about them as u can see them still doing their thing.
so no i doubt they do anything mrs isd. yeah sure some do, but some obviously dont
edit: mrs isd ;p my correction
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:14:00 -
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action is being taken soon (TM) - continue to report them. Its up to the powers that be to determine their fate
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
The GM's care about macro's, in fact you brighten up their entire day if you report a macro user and the person gets banned in the end.
Fair question.
How do you spot a macro user?.
Paranoia aside, id love to know, imho just about the only way would be if the gm's were monitoring the exactly timings of the keystrokes in the logs.
Atm all we have is salem witch type stuff going on, which is neither helped by these threads, gm's whacking it up in stickys on the forum/news, or responces such as the above.
Honestly, you realy wish the gm's to go about their work, then stop allowing this issue to be sensationalised, at a guess id say it's actualy making their job harder allowing this state of paranoia to thrive.
Comments like:
Originally by: Deja Thoris
I'm sure tomorrow they may have graduated into cruisers or destroyers doing the little macro dance.
Originally by: Ace Combat
but when you get 14 large barges stripping an ice belt they need to be shut down as I have witnessed in the past.
Originally by: Dao 2
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yeah i thought they cared too, until ive seen tons of ppl petition blatently obvious macro miners and do absolutely nothing about them as u can see them still doing their thing.
These do not help one bit, Dao i hope you got a responce that confirms they 'actualy were' macro miners before you decided to post that here.
Ace combat.... 'do you' actualy realise how many years it would take to 'strip' an ice belt... as you have only been playing a max of 27 months and icebelts ain't been around that long anyway... i seriously doubt it.
And Thoris..... way to go for hysteria.
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Arguing that namechanging would promote griefing is somewhat moot given the current FFA on that front.
'Danton Marcellus'
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:38:00 -
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so as part of the 23 how long does it take to strip an icebelt ?
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 04/09/2005 09:42:13
Longer than 23hrs. *Edit 23
Somebody said in channel last year, if i remember right, it was in the years or something.
Sketchy memory, but it was somewhere around there, certainly like i said, longer than he could posibly have witnessed it.
Anyone with an exact answer feel free to post ofc.
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Arguing that namechanging would promote griefing is somewhat moot given the current FFA on that front.
'Danton Marcellus'
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:48:00 -
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a member of the "23" should know these things and u are therefore stripped of youre 23 status ill take that mantle. lol
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.09.04 10:12:00 -
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Well...
Tbh think im more the unofficial rogue element of the 23, and truth be told im sure the other 22 would rather lynch me up than come to agreement.
Still
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Arguing that namechanging would promote griefing is somewhat moot given the current FFA on that front.
'Danton Marcellus'
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melkorka
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:00:00 -
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i run 5 accounts in eve mine with 3 large barges takes me less then 8 min to fill a can 2 accounts can use a mkv but thous 3 miners are just there to make money for my 2 other accounts that a pvp with. I dont use macro just mine for 2-3 hours a day but i can see how macro does **** peps off me dont cear.
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