I'd go the other way, 'buff' Warp core stabs by reducing or removing their horrible downsides, making them more common. Then people will get used to the idea that you need 2 or 3 points often on a target to hold it.

so you want to kill off small and solo pvp entirely? All you need is alpha or numbers right?

I'd go the other way, 'buff' Warp core stabs by reducing or removing their horrible downsides, making them more common. Then people will get used to the idea that you need 2 or 3 points often on a target to hold it, people will be more confident to roam solo since they can have sensible fits which include a stab or two, & this 'I can't solo lock down a ship so it's OP' expectation/mentality will go away because Warp Core stabs aren't fail PvP fits at that point.

Question, PVP or easy kills? If you buff warp core stabs, it will mean your easy kills will no longer be so easy anymore.

PVP stands for player vs player mate, and they are vsing you by having the ability to retreat, to run away, or what ever you kids call it now adays, if you want to counter a Stab ship, fit more points or scrams.

i mean pvp. This includes easy kills. If you think that it is a good idea to add pvp immunity to eve.. i don't think i will be able to convince you that this would kill eve as we know it. If you are an "easy kill" in lowsec its your fault in almost every case, "kid"

Oh so then it also my fault for being a not so easy kill by fitting warp stabs and warping away when I see someone that I know I can't beat =)

This is laughable. Welcome to PVP in eve mate, where if someone can predict a hostile actions, then they will either win, or successfully get away, if they successfully got away, then maybe you are doing something wrong, don't choo think?

you are very naive if you think it would help you. All it would do is to lead to more of your tears about "easy kills" and unfair eve. Since you would not die to an instant locker and a cruiser, you would die to five instant locker tornados, whichdon't giving a **** about your warp core staps. Thats my whole point. A buff to WCS would simply lead to more easy kills and even more tears. Pvp would only work with alpha or numbers. If this is what you want i am sorry.

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I agree with Call Rollard, industrial ships should not have any armor, shields, or be able to cloak. This would effectively counter the big industrial problem in eve. Also, Freighters should have industrial-ship hull amounts, so we can solo gank them in a brutix.

What I mean with low sec PVP. Now if you want to tackle a navy comet for example, you need at least 4 frigs with points on them.

Or 3 frigates with scramblers on them.

0.0 bubbles dont allow warp core stabs to work at all.

Scripted HIC's seem to be the only way you can catch ships in low sec now.

The thing is, warpcore stabs are killing solo/very small gang PVP in low sec like this. People go to a PVP zone only to stick warp core stabs on their frigates/dessies to avoid any PVP.

What I mean with low sec PVP. Now if you want to tackle a navy comet for example, you need at least 4 frigs with points on them.

Or 3 frigates with scramblers on them.

0.0 bubbles dont allow warp core stabs to work at all.

Scripted HIC's seem to be the only way you can catch ships in low sec now.

The thing is, warpcore stabs are killing solo/very small gang PVP in low sec like this. People go to a PVP zone only to stick warp core stabs on their frigates/dessies to avoid any PVP.

A Navy Comet with four warp core stabilizers? Well, if he is that eager to avoid combat at any cost, let him be.

So do lots of people flying navy comets in FW space.

So do lots of people flying navy comets in FW space.

With four warp core stabilizers, a person with otherwise perfect skills in a Navy Comet has a targeting range of 10.9km and requires over 10 seconds to lock onto a standard frigate. Further more, warp core stabilizers are actually pretty CPU intensive, and use at the least 24 CPU each (Tech 2 warp core stabilizers use 35 CPU each). Considering that four of them would 96 CPU, which is more than half of the Navy Comet's CPU (base CPU +25% for Electronics V), and most medium slot items use a large amount of CPU as well, they would be so bad at PVP for their cost that they should no longer be considered a PVP ship.

The thing is, warpcore stabs are killing solo/very small gang PVP in low sec like this. People go to a PVP zone only to stick warp core stabs on their frigates/dessies to avoid any PVP.

[quote=Arronicus]The Slicer was only one of many ships I managed to actually blow up.

This ruins PVP in low sec because you can never find anything to kill which is not using warp core stabs

I'd go the other way, 'buff' Warp core stabs by reducing or removing their horrible downsides, making them more common. Then people will get used to the idea that you need 2 or 3 points often on a target to hold it, people will be more confident to roam solo since they can have sensible fits which include a stab or two, & this 'I can't solo lock down a ship so it's OP' expectation/mentality will go away because Warp Core stabs aren't fail PvP fits at that point.

which will put shield tanking ships at a disadvantage versus some armor tanking ships.

What really ruins low sec pvp is how inhabitants react at the single vision of neutrals in local, not warp core stabilizers that are one of the very few tools players can use to actually go there and do something.

You guys make low sec the wasteland it is, you get what you deserve, don't blaim modules for your behavior.

Damn, i dont like when my targets are stabbed, but i really dont see any problem with the mod.... Troll idea or...?
Bring more points if you know your target is stabbed.

also i would have a good thought about things:

some of you are noticing that, more and more often, some target are getting away during fight while pointed.


with all the logic and knowledge of a pvp player, you are assuming they fitted enought wcs to get rid of your point(s).

for some of them, it might be right but what if they did NOT?

seeing the very same trend you did in lowsec pvp, we took mesures to counter it, yet to almost no avail, why?

because more and more often, some ship are able to warp even when a point is landed on them, while they shall not have been permitted to.

the server doesn't get the point event, while it is reported client side.

i'm not talking about ppl getting away after 20sec within a fight, bt those who magically warp when pointed at the start of a fight

recent examples, a pod scramed warped out, a shuttle pointed warped out, a rupture evaded a gate camp while pointed by 2 ppl, get alphaed next gate, fitting was not wcs, several thorax / vexor evaded HIC scripted point (HIC is a triple sebo phobos)


in each of thoses, the log shows the point landed, triggering the corresponding events (sentrys / SS loss etc...) BUT was not recorded as "preventing the warp" (all other conditions were OK, range etc....)

i think this is related to a latency issue server side, as we have all noticed recently, many things take longer than usual, and "pointing" is no exception.

now, one would say i have a bad connection / luck, maybe.

but:

1- this trend is noticed alliance wide, by all the pvp players (400+), across the world (mainly US / EU, some in Oceania / Asia)
2- happen almost only when server load is at the top (15h-22h)
3- doesn't happen on test server (because load is minimal?)

Well try to simulate with friends of yours, fraps it an send to CCP. If that trully happens is a grivious bug that needs to be fixed.

People ignore the local. Its only until you warp in and engage them, they also engage and fight. Until they hit hull and warp away.

Well in this case it's fair game, each one wants the kill but not die. Using in game tools to achieve personal goals are intended game play.
I remember someone in GD just moaning at levels I've never seen before about DCU II and the fact it's a great pvp module specially for armor ships, the guy was just mad about it.

This warp core stabilizers is exactly the same thing. There are tools to prevent this or at least get a high chance to prevent this like 3 point scrams in case the guy is just 2 WCS fit, alpha strikes or high dps fits and overheat.

The module it self is not a problem, it's how players use them that might interfere in some aspects of pvp but there are counters to this including fly with other players with tackle.
Lost a stab/null T3 once vs a gang that made it to target and point me several times, I lost my game they won theirs, it's a fair game I just got outsmarted/played, nothing wrong and nothing to fuss about.

also i would have a good thought about things:

some of you are noticing that, more and more often, some target are getting away during fight while pointed.


with all the logic and knowledge of a pvp player, you are assuming they fitted enought wcs to get rid of your point(s).

for some of them, it might be right but what if they did NOT?

seeing the very same trend you did in lowsec pvp, we took mesures to counter it, yet to almost no avail, why?

because more and more often, some ship are able to warp even when a point is landed on them, while they shall not have been permitted to.

the server doesn't get the point event, while it is reported client side.

i'm not talking about ppl getting away after 20sec within a fight, bt those who magically warp when pointed at the start of a fight

recent examples, a pod scramed warped out, a shuttle pointed warped out, a rupture evaded a gate camp while pointed by 2 ppl, get alphaed next gate, fitting was not wcs, several thorax / vexor evaded HIC scripted point (HIC is a triple sebo phobos)


in each of thoses, the log shows the point landed, triggering the corresponding events (sentrys / SS loss etc...) BUT was not recorded as "preventing the warp" (all other conditions were OK, range etc....)

i think this is related to a latency issue server side, as we have all noticed recently, many things take longer than usual, and "pointing" is no exception.

now, one would say i have a bad connection / luck, maybe.

but:

1- this trend is noticed alliance wide, by all the pvp players (400+), across the world (mainly US / EU, some in Oceania / Asia)
2- happen almost only when server load is at the top (15h-22h)
3- doesn't happen on test server (because load is minimal?)

I'd go the other way, 'buff' Warp core stabs by reducing or removing their horrible downsides, making them more common. Then people will get used to the idea that you need 2 or 3 points often on a target to hold it, people will be more confident to roam solo since they can have sensible fits which include a stab or two, & this 'I can't solo lock down a ship so it's OP' expectation/mentality will go away because Warp Core stabs aren't fail PvP fits at that point.

...And how exactly would any solo pilot ever kill anything when it can just warp away?

TL;DR

stop bitching and moaning
fly with friends (it is an MMO after all)
Script your HIC's
drop a mid on other ships and fit remote sebos to boost your HIC

= recieve bacon and tears in local.

If you actually read what I said, even if you fly with friends its still a problem, I am talking about 2-4 people.

HIC's are slow and expensive ships, if you wanted to roam into FW complexes in low sec, you wouldn't be able to take a HIC in.

dual faction scram on an arazu will cover it, most people wont fit more than 3 wcs's and faction scrams have 2 point strength, some even have 3!

learn to play, dont learn to cry harder.

Arazu can not fit in FW complexes once again I can say. I'm talking about Frigates, dessies and cruisers. Primairly Dessies and Frigates are the issue.

Arazu can not fit in FW complexes once again I can say. I'm talking about Frigates, dessies and cruisers. Primairly Dessies and Frigates are the issue.

Damn, i dont like when my targets are stabbed, but i really dont see any problem with the mod.... Troll idea or...?
Bring more points if you know your target is stabbed.

My note I'd like to write into here is that Warp Core Stabilizers should be nerfed.

Now my note goes towards low sec PVP. In low sec PVP, I've been finding an increasing number of people using warp core stabilizers in low sec. People using faction frigates, cruisers, destroyers. Almost every ship you can think off I've seen using warp core stabs in low sec.

This ruins PVP in low sec because you can never find anything to kill which is not using warp core stabs.

My note especially goes towards Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers.

Warp core stabs are very easy to fit on every ship due to its very low CPU requirments.

What I believe should happen or similarly is to nerf the warp core stabilizers by making the CPU required increased a lot higher than it currently is and giving hauling ships a bonus for warp core stabilizers. Doing his should improve low sec PVP.

Please comment on this suggestion.

What I mean with low sec PVP. Now if you want to tackle a navy comet for example, you need at least 4 frigs with points on them.

Or 3 frigates with scramblers on them.

0.0 bubbles dont allow warp core stabs to work at all.

Scripted HIC's seem to be the only way you can catch ships in low sec now.

The thing is, warpcore stabs are killing solo/very small gang PVP in low sec like this. People go to a PVP zone only to stick warp core stabs on their frigates/dessies to avoid any PVP.

Personally, I found that a 1400mm fit Tornado is a good counter to frigates fitted with WCSs.