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Van Allen
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Posted - 2005.09.07 06:23:00 -
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So i saw theese 5 guys that where definatly macro mining isk to sell on ebay or whereever.
A buddy of mine have told me that CCP consider stealing ore from theese guys just as bad as doing the macro-mining.
So if you were to steal ore from guys like this, could you end up in trouble with CCP?
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Magnum VII
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Posted - 2005.09.07 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Magnum VII on 07/09/2005 06:34:38
 Originally by: Van Allen
So i saw theese 5 guys that where definatly macro mining isk to sell on ebay or whereever.
A buddy of mine have told me that CCP consider stealing ore from theese guys just as bad as doing the macro-mining.
So if you were to steal ore from guys like this, could you end up in trouble with CCP?
I could be wrong but I think if you petition it to CCP 1st then you can do what you will with them.
P.S. I saw one of these losers on EBay selling 10,000,000 isk for about 3.99.
I found it when just searching for EVE in Google.
I would never buy anything from these people because of it unbalancing the game. And I feel sorry for the people enslaved in those ships working for nothing just to make a jerk a little richer.
I wonder if realy all that many people buy isk from them anyways.
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Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.09.07 11:04:00 -
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correct me if I'm wrong, but ore stealing is no bannable action since CCP never supported the jetcan mining.
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.09.07 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Binary Mind
correct me if I'm wrong, but ore stealing is no bannable action since CCP never supported the jetcan mining.
If you steal ore from macro miners then it is as bad as the macro miners itself and considered an exploit.
You should petition first wait for reply then you can steal the ore.
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Pagefault
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Posted - 2005.09.07 12:04:00 -
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WHY? Can any1 point me to something in the eula which states that ore-thieving is an exploit????? I'm pretty sure that macro-miners don't get better protection from cpp than honest players, so either ore-thieving is an exploit always and everywhere or it is not.
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Ryy Kishin
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Posted - 2005.09.07 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ryy Kishin on 07/09/2005 12:15:33
Originally by: Pagefault
WHY? Can any1 point me to something in the eula which states that ore-thieving is an exploit????? I'm pretty sure that macro-miners don't get better protection from cpp than honest players, so either ore-thieving is an exploit always and everywhere or it is not.
Never said ore thieving was an exploit, it is an exploit if it is stolen from a macro miner before it is petitioned.
These threads may explain better.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2005.09.07 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 07/09/2005 12:30:24
Ore thieving is not an exploit. Making a profit through the use of macro bots is. You're not running the bots, the macroer is, but, by stealing the ore, you're still getting ISK from a bot. If you don't petition them, it's like conspiring to keep the macro secret, so you can profit from it.
Thus, exploit.
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2005.09.07 12:47:00 -
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I guarantee you will be treated as if you had macro-mined yourself, if caught.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.09.07 12:56:00 -
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You're exploiting the exploitations of macro-miners. Can't be much clearer than that.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.09.07 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 07/09/2005 13:50:19
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
I guarantee you will be treated as if you had macro-mined yourself, if caught.
So if i was to macro mine some ore and have it stolen by some thief, i could petition to have him banned? Obviously id be in trouble too for macro mining but its quite an interesting idea 
Edit: How are players supposed to tell whose macro mining and whose not? Should suck to be an ore thief and find out you where banned for stealing 2 or 3 loads of ore from someone who was caught macroing... Actually coming to think of it that wouldnt suck at all.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.09.07 13:52:00 -
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Ore thieving Macro miners is honorable. If you dont want to haul, at least pop their cans every x mins 
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Van Allen
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Posted - 2005.09.07 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes
I guarantee you will be treated as if you had macro-mined yourself, if caught.
Thank you for your very clear answer.
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Jarvin Spoo
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Posted - 2005.09.07 19:13:00 -
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How do you tell if someone is macromining?
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GrumpE
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Posted - 2005.09.07 19:53:00 -
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How can you steal their ore if they don't jettison a can?
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Van Allen
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Posted - 2005.09.07 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jarvin Spoo
How do you tell if someone is macromining?
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Well this one was quite easy. There was 3 mining barges mining away. All player names were random composite names. HappyMage, Pristgirl etc. No ships were named.
There were 2 cargo haulers aswell. All theese ships were hugged closely. In the middle there was a jettisoned can that got more and more loaded with ore.
I flew straight up to the can and parked my ship and asked on local "mind if i take this can". Stayed there for 10 minutes while discussing with my corp if i could take it or not.
No replies at all. So i filled a petition and left by request from my corp.
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Van Allen
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Posted - 2005.09.07 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: GrumpE
How can you steal their ore if they don't jettison a can?
They did jettison a can.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.09.07 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: GrumpE
How can you steal their ore if they don't jettison a can?
Your thinking of afk miners where someone leaves an indy with a single mining lazer is a belt afk. AFAIK this is not an exploit, and there definitly not using macros.
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Cobra64
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Posted - 2005.09.07 21:35:00 -
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two wrongs don't make a right.
Yes macro mining is wrong, it removes ore from secure space and people can buy it with real money to pump into the game in any secter of space they like without having mined the ores or spent the time on line to earn the skills to mine the ores them self.
The problem is one for CCP to deal with however and not ours, anyone who steals from a jet can is a pirate and as bad as the person doing the macro thingie, you didn't earn the ore by mining it and so it isn't yours.
It's the thin end of the wedge to make it acceptable to steal ore in this way but at the same time I think it should be a part of the game, I think that people should be able to steal ore but if they do it in secure space they should take a security hit for it and have concord on their ass, or the miner should be allowed to retaliate.....or both.
Second lowest form of life if you ask me, parasites in space, don't do it.
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Jarvin Spoo
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Posted - 2005.09.07 21:48:00 -
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Ok....two questions then:
1. Are you all saying that some on this board feels that if I set up an indy in a belt and afk mine, I am doing something wrong?
2. Is't this game "Open Ended?" Why do people feel it is against the "rules" to steal ore in cans? Is not thievery in this game? I guess I don't understand....if you don't want someone to take your ore, then you should either A. Guard it or B. Carry it to a station after you mine it.
Is that not one of the parts of joining a corp? If I need some protection while I mine, they will come along. And I will do the same for them.
Seriously, I don't understand the point.
Using a macro to mine stuff = Bad
Setting your mining laser to mine and then going to watch tv = What is wrong with that? (I stand a HUGE chance of getting blown up.)
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Cobra64
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Posted - 2005.09.07 23:02:00 -
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Jarvin
I'm not saying you shouldn't steal ore from a can if that's the sort of person you want to be, feel free to do it.
But if you steal ore from my can then I'm going to see you in low sec space and kick your ass .
I agree that you should be able to do anything in game that you could do in RL given that the situation is virtual, can theft would be a real issue for miners but I feel that they would be able to deffend their can against theft which they can't do at the moment.
CCP's viewpoint is that anything you put in a jet can is obviously something you no longer want and so should be free to everyone, it was never their intention that you be able to jet-can mine but they have not addressed the loophole yet as they probably feel it is innovative and they are ignoring it as it is harmless and anyone can do it.
By the way, you can't get blown up by NPC's in .9 or 1.0 space as there aren't any, there are on the other hand people who will attack you with what is called a suicide alt
Good luck and I'll see you in space
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Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.09.08 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes
I guarantee you will be treated as if you had macro-mined yourself, if caught.
Just to make it clear from the beginning. I'M NOT AN ORE THIEF.... ok
but I don't see why orethieves should be punished, there is a very good mechanism in this game to prevent it. Secured Cans. They didn't got their name for nothing. Now you'll say "but you can't use them in 0.8+ system", well yeah, if you mine there you can't lose much ores on one thief since there aren't really good roids there.
For me if you jettison your cargo means that you don't want it in your cargo hold. Like throwing something in the trashbin, then bringin it outside. That's a act of "I don't care what happens to it now, just make it disappear" for me.
now flamo ma belle
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Van Allen
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Posted - 2005.09.08 07:35:00 -
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now i'll make something clear (if i understand correctly)
NOONE is saying that can stealing is punishable by CCP.
However stealing ore from macro miners will be considered macro mining.
And ofcourse it is. You are macro mining when you do it, except other players are doing the macro mining and you are reaping the rewards from it.
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Fredl
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Posted - 2005.09.08 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Binary Mind
but I don't see why orethieves should be punished, there is a very good mechanism in this game to prevent it. Secured Cans. They didn't got their name for nothing.
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For me if you jettison your cargo means that you don't want it in your cargo hold.
1st: secure cans arent a very good mechanism for safe mining. They're just to tiny for being effective. Give us a 25.000m¦ secure can then it's ok. Something like 20.000m¦ used space in cargo and offering 25.000m¦ to 30.000m¦ when anchored in space would be ok for most ppl i think. Another point is that those giant secure cans with 3900m¦ are filled with one round of mining in a Covetor.
2nd: When im on mining i have to use cans to be more effective like every other miner has too. As the biggest sec cans are kinda "crap" i have to use the only available alternative... jet cans. And yes i dont want all that ore in my miningships cargohold. Would be kinda useless there, wouldnt it? :)
3rd: There are much much more threads in this forum tackling with this object, so dont get me wrong, im just saying my personal opinion here.
Peaceful greets
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Terissa
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Posted - 2005.09.08 13:37:00 -
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For me if you jettison your cargo means that you don't want it in your cargo hold. Like throwing something in the trashbin, then bringin it outside. That's a act of "I don't care what happens to it now, just make it disappear" for me.
I just finished the new tutorial with this patch last night.
Even it shows you to mine vel and jetcan it.
If CCP says that I am throwing away what I jetcan, they need to put it also in the tutorial.
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El'kar Kahn
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Posted - 2005.09.09 13:47:00 -
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Are not CCP looking at a "criminal flagging" system for Ore thieves, that will allow people to retalliate without a CONCORD response?
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Bryanna Rivellan
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Posted - 2005.09.09 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: El'kar Kahn
Are not CCP looking at a "criminal flagging" system for Ore thieves, that will allow people to retalliate without a CONCORD response?
Not in the next 6 months ... surely.
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Cobra64
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Posted - 2005.09.09 22:08:00 -
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This is taken directly from patch notes and it has reached the testing stage so roll on the patch that brings it in.
Criminal flag pilots that take from jettisoned cans which don't belong to them
This is needed to allow the owner of the can to shoot the one taking from his own jettisoned can and to allow the owner to shoot anyone taking from the loot cans which drop from the NPC's the owner destroyed. This does NOT include a CONCORD response, only enables the owner to shoot without getting CONCORDOKENED himself. Could be applied to agent missions too, registering jettisoned containers to the mission owner.
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2005.09.09 22:39:00 -
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The reason that you would be treated as if you were a macro-miner yourself if you stole their jettisoned cans is because you benefitted from a macro.
If you suspect someone of macroing, report it as an exploit, where it will be taken up by a GM.
Do not be surprised that it takes a while for anything to happen, these things take time to investigate, if someone accused you of macroing, I assure you, you'd rather people took the time to do so, rather than ban on the strength of a 3rd party's word.
Whether or not the information is published is upto those involved in the investigation, accounts are banned on a regular basis for a variety of reasons, although ccp maintain a policy of privacy unless they think otherwise.
However, do not let that discourage you from petitioning, continued vigilance by players is vital to root out ebilility.
UPDATE: Apparently it's fine if you petition them for exploitng ( macro use) and steal their ore after you filed the petition then it's all fine and dandy.
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Demadred
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Posted - 2005.09.09 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Demadred on 09/09/2005 23:47:02
If i see an ore can somewhere and i want to steal it,then i'm sure i want to do it quietly and quick.
Hoping that the person in the miner went to the toilet and don't even know i was there.
Asking him if i can steal the ore and wait for a response is not a smart thing to do (for me in my fragile little ship)
When doing that several times then it could be seen as an exploit,because by then i should know that person isn't at his pc(macromining or not)
But when i send a petition and then i steal it lots of times isn't that also an exploit?
Maybe it's time to test all this.
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Fastbikkel
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Posted - 2005.09.15 11:36:00 -
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Steal everything from them, they are the scum of this game.
Or better, get a suicide squad together and destroy their ships.
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