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Komodo Askold
Rare Earth Elements LLC
Order of the Void
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Posted - 2011.10.16 15:58:00 -
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This has been posted before somewhere, I'm sure, but I thought it would be right to bring this topic back.
Yes, it's about gas cloud harvesting. An area of mining that, at the beggining, its only point was to produce those risky boosters. Now, it seems it's needed fot T3 ships manufacturing. We have our modules and skills, but nothing else. Many people wants more love to it so I'll collect the ideas here.
I vote for a dedicated ship for this task, along with new modules such as gas strip extractors, mining upgrades, rigs, etc. and other uses for the gas. I know it has been voted for, even CCP (I've heard about converting the Procurer to this role), but I think it hasn't to be forgotten. Personally, as a miner-explorer, I'd love to try it out (I mine ore and ice) as it looks profitable, if you're just going to sell the gas.
About its locations, I think they're OK: a rare ore type hidden for explorers to find. If only it was a it more expensive in the markets...
If you have more ideas to post, or if you like this (or not), please post here/vote so this won't be forgotten.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:25:00 -
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I agree with a dedicated gas mining ship, and a dedicated exploration ship.
As seperate entities.
As gas is more of an industrialist thing, said ship should be manufactured by ORE or DCM.
And exploration should be manufactured by SoE or SoCT. Other than that, good suggestion. +1
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:18:00 -
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Makes a certain ship from Star Trek come to mind, it was Atlas class or something, eitehr way, it's front end was a GIANT shield and glass (or whatever technobabble they used instead of glass) bubble with the bridge in the center of the bubble.
basically its role was to fly into nebulaes and other anomalies and siphon the amterial into the bubble where the bridge scanners could analyze it and determine tis composition.
perhaps a similar design for an EVE gas-mining ship? honestly i would think a bubble-like container visible on the outside of the ship WOULD make sense because were talking about gases insetad of ores. |
CaleAdaire
Research Industry Mining and Support
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
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+1
Gas mining sucks in a non-dedicated ship and i would love some upgrades that make it even more worthwhile
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Komodo Askold
Rare Earth Elements LLC
Order of the Void
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Posted - 2011.10.16 23:21:00 -
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Double post, my fault. |
Cid SilverWing
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc.
Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.10.17 01:37:00 -
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+1
Also I lulz'd a bit at the suggested name, "Lamprey". X3 |
Lucius Arcturus
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:08:00 -
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I like the premise but I think that a cycle time bonus would be fine without going into compression. Also, why does it need protection from deadly gas clouds? Do k-space gas clouds explode? Fullerites don't. Or are you referring to mercoxit, which if mined has a chance of releasing a cloud of toxic gas (although I believe that mercoxit itself is not a gas).
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Komodo Askold
Rare Earth Elements LLC
Order of the Void
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:13:00 -
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Lucius Arcturus wrote:I like the premise but I think that a cycle time bonus would be fine without going into compression. Also, why does it need protection from deadly gas clouds? Do k-space gas clouds explode? Fullerites don't. Or are you referring to mercoxit, which if mined has a chance of releasing a cloud of toxic gas (although I believe that mercoxit itself is not a gas). Hmm, it's true that K-space gas doens't explode, but W-space gas does. As taken from EVElopedia (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gas_Clouds) they can give about 1000 HP of damage every few minutes, but I might be wrong.
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:48:00 -
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Komodo Askold wrote:Lucius Arcturus wrote:I like the premise but I think that a cycle time bonus would be fine without going into compression. Also, why does it need protection from deadly gas clouds? Do k-space gas clouds explode? Fullerites don't. Or are you referring to mercoxit, which if mined has a chance of releasing a cloud of toxic gas (although I believe that mercoxit itself is not a gas). Hmm, it's true that K-space gas doens't explode, but W-space gas does. As taken from EVElopedia (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gas_Clouds) they can give about 1000 HP of damage every few minutes, but I might be wrong.
Yes, you're wrong. Fullerite clouds are non-damaging. Now, there's the dmaaging cloud you can find at Isolated Core Deposits, and I'm not sure on the mercoxit ones... but the regular wormhole gas clouds are just big, bright shiny fluffy pillows of wormhole love.
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Komodo Askold
Rare Earth Elements LLC
Order of the Void
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:18:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Komodo Askold wrote:Lucius Arcturus wrote:I like the premise but I think that a cycle time bonus would be fine without going into compression. Also, why does it need protection from deadly gas clouds? Do k-space gas clouds explode? Fullerites don't. Or are you referring to mercoxit, which if mined has a chance of releasing a cloud of toxic gas (although I believe that mercoxit itself is not a gas). Hmm, it's true that K-space gas doens't explode, but W-space gas does. As taken from EVElopedia (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gas_Clouds) they can give about 1000 HP of damage every few minutes, but I might be wrong. Yes, you're wrong. Fullerite clouds are non-damaging. Now, there's the dmaaging cloud you can find at Isolated Core Deposits, and I'm not sure on the mercoxit ones... but the regular wormhole gas clouds are just big, bright shiny fluffy pillows of wormhole love. Fixed, thank you and sorry for the mistake :)
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
144
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:47:00 -
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Hmm... could this be the birth of the "Jumping Jack Flash" class of ships?
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:54:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Komodo Askold wrote:Lucius Arcturus wrote:I like the premise but I think that a cycle time bonus would be fine without going into compression. Also, why does it need protection from deadly gas clouds? Do k-space gas clouds explode? Fullerites don't. Or are you referring to mercoxit, which if mined has a chance of releasing a cloud of toxic gas (although I believe that mercoxit itself is not a gas). Hmm, it's true that K-space gas doens't explode, but W-space gas does. As taken from EVElopedia (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gas_Clouds) they can give about 1000 HP of damage every few minutes, but I might be wrong. Yes, you're wrong. Fullerite clouds are non-damaging. Now, there's the dmaaging cloud you can find at Isolated Core Deposits, and I'm not sure on the mercoxit ones... but the regular wormhole gas clouds are just big, bright shiny fluffy pillows of wormhole love.
Havn't encoutnered a gas cloud yet that didn't cause damge....except Mercoxit.
Techincally its not a gas cloud.
But flying the incorrect ship with incorrect skills or tools will cause Mercoxit ore to spit damage clouds at you...that's for sure.
(IE: fly a skiff and be propperly skilled to fix THAT problem)
The only time there's ever been a hazzard in gas clouds is rats or sleepers..thats about it.
Course there may actually be a gas cloud out that hits...yet to fnid one tho. Not to mention "Weather Hazzards"
We should have a gas mining dedicted ship...would be nice.
I always end up dragging out a cyclone or similar ship to pull it off with decent rat defenses. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:14:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Komodo Askold wrote:Lucius Arcturus wrote:I like the premise but I think that a cycle time bonus would be fine without going into compression. Also, why does it need protection from deadly gas clouds? Do k-space gas clouds explode? Fullerites don't. Or are you referring to mercoxit, which if mined has a chance of releasing a cloud of toxic gas (although I believe that mercoxit itself is not a gas). Hmm, it's true that K-space gas doens't explode, but W-space gas does. As taken from EVElopedia (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gas_Clouds) they can give about 1000 HP of damage every few minutes, but I might be wrong. Yes, you're wrong. Fullerite clouds are non-damaging. Now, there's the dmaaging cloud you can find at Isolated Core Deposits, and I'm not sure on the mercoxit ones... but the regular wormhole gas clouds are just big, bright shiny fluffy pillows of wormhole love. Havn't encoutnered a gas cloud yet that did cause damge....except Mercoxit. Techincally its not a gas cloud. But flying the incorrect ship with incorrect skills or tools will cause Mercoxit ore to spit damage clouds at you...that's for sure. (IE: fly a skiff and be propperly skilled to fix THAT problem) The only time there's ever been a hazzard in gas clouds is rats or sleepers..thats about it. Course there may actually be a gas cloud out that hits...yet to fnid one tho. Not to mention "Weather Hazzards" We should have a gas mining dedicted ship...would be nice. I always end up dragging out a cyclone or similar ship to pull it off with decent rat defenses.
Eh... rereading your post, did you get the "did" and "didn't" mixed up?
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:32:00 -
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whoops...i think?
Course its monday morning and I'm juggling work and keeping my brain awake.
Gas Clouds don't cause damage.
The environment they are in however do at times.
That's what I was trying to say. |
Eregorn81
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.18 12:50:00 -
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Perhaps instead of "Compressing" gas (which may get complex-- this means you now have 5 different sub-types for each skill level, each with a different volume), perhaps the new ship can have a dedicated gas hold, whose capacity can increase by, say, 20% per skill level. This lets those cool rotating tanks come into play, too! |
Komodo Askold
Rare Earth Elements LLC
Order of the Void
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Posted - 2011.10.18 14:54:00 -
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Eregorn81 wrote:Perhaps instead of "Compressing" gas (which may get complex-- this means you now have 5 different sub-types for each skill level, each with a different volume), perhaps the new ship can have a dedicated gas hold, whose capacity can increase by, say, 20% per skill level. This lets those cool rotating tanks come into play, too! Sounds cool too! I though about compressing the gas for making this type of mining different from the others as ore and ice mining are different between them, but a bigger cargohold is always useful!
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Endovior
Brothers At Arms
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:42:00 -
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Supported; gas harvesting, as is, involves sitting in a cloud for hours dropping stuff into a can, so anything that'd reduce the time involved would be great. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:24:00 -
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I like the idea of a dedicated gas harvesting ship, and giving the Procurer a role that doesn't involve being the raw material for Skiffs is good too. But I disagree that there should be modules/rigs for gas harvesting; the ones that already exist serve just as well. Make mining upgrade modules also apply to gas harvesters and leave it at that, in my opinion. |
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.21 04:16:00 -
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+1 to dedicated ORE gas mining ships ... T1 & T2 versions please .... it's dumb that there are no "industrial strength" ships or modules for gas harvesting.
Oh, and the ships should look like maids with vacuum cleaners in their handle just like in SpaceBalls ... :)
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.21 04:39:00 -
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As others have said, don't put a probe launcher on an industrial. That would be silly. The whole idea of the mining barge/exhumer is that it's a purpose-built ship that doesn't mix roles. Do one thing, and do it well.
I'm all for an ORE gas miner. |
Komodo Askold
Rare Earth Elements LLC
Order of the Void
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Posted - 2011.10.23 12:35:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:As others have said, don't put a probe launcher on an industrial. That would be silly.
You're right, that would make its role appear a bit undefined. Then I think it should have a good bonus to harvesters' CPU usage, at least...
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Centurax
Eve Engineering Research
Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:34:00 -
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I like the idea but there is a better hull than the Procurer to use for this ship class, the Primae/Noctis hull was made for this kind of mining at the very least CCPs art department could add a few gas tanks to the model but I think it is there. it is easy enough to set it up with the hard points (as they are already in place on the Noctis) for the current gas miners, so there wouldn't be as much work getting it set for this role, as a guess.
I think it would work well with the folloing:
6 High Slots - 5 miners + slot for probe launcher or cloak,
4 - 5 mid slots - for a tank
3 low slots - for cargo expanders
25m3 drone bay - for defence.
20% reduction of gas harvester duration per level
Role Bonus: 200% better yield for gas harvesters per level
Seriously these attributes would be good as gas mining more than any other form of miing is like watching paint dry  getting the mining cycle down to maybe 20seconds and 60m3 yields will cut the mining time, but not too significantly will probably still take a good amount of time to clear a gas site. The other option is up the amount of gas in gas sites  .
I think this would work well in this configuration. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:56:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:As others have said, don't put a probe launcher on an industrial. That would be silly. The whole idea of the mining barge/exhumer is that it's a purpose-built ship that doesn't mix roles. Do one thing, and do it well.
I'm all for an ORE gas miner.
What Floppie said.
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