Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer playing with only one account at a time. I currently have only 1 account, and haven't had another one ever. I can "afford it" (via PLEXes) but I'm afraid it will suck out the fun of the game for me.

No

OK.

Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer playing with only one account at a time. I currently have only 1 account, and haven't had another one ever. I can "afford it" (via PLEXes) but I'm afraid it will suck out the fun of the game for me.

Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer playing with only one account at a time. I currently have only 1 account, and haven't had another one ever. I can "afford it" (via PLEXes) but I'm afraid it will suck out the fun of the game for me.

considering the popularity of multi-boxing I can see this thread going downhill quickly

Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer playing with only one account at a time. I currently have only 1 account, and haven't had another one ever. I can "afford it" (via PLEXes) but I'm afraid it will suck out the fun of the game for me.

I have no idea why CCP do not consider this an exploit but they really should.
I run multiple accounts a LOT myself but don't use any lame ass software to bot it.

If I was to change one single thing about EVE EULA it's make this garbage a ban-able offense.

In WoW it's gotten to be in PvP with such multiboxers it's which team with less bots and multiboxers wins. Lead a BG there when a 40 boxer showed up. Manage to make the dude wait almost 2hrs for his "guaranteed win", but the outcome was assured as there's no means in the instance to remedy the situation.

Solo activities no one cares. But in groups it becomes a bot vs bot fest. That isn't good.

So how exactly does the OP hurt you in EVE.

Jump in with a small fleet and watch his computer melt.

Easy kills.

Have you met a multiboxer with such software? I show who I met...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amDdn8Iiqc0

Managed to ride his tail for almost 2hrs (only option available, as 35 accounts shooting at you is instagib). We pulled back so he wouldn't get his IWINs, and did our best to waste his time. Until he had a friend on OUR side who did his best to give him 40+ deaths by running up to him to die.

That's how these dudes "win".

You face that, you will never think it's "easy" to kill them, nor that it should be in the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlm4XrR0VvU

Let me know what you think.

Ill make another video soon showing mining and how to effectively use multiple accounts.

I have no idea why CCP do not consider this an exploit but they really should.
I run multiple accounts a LOT myself but don't use any lame ass software to bot it.

If I was to change one single thing about EVE EULA it's make this garbage a ban-able offense.

I have no idea why CCP do not consider this an exploit but they really should.
I run multiple accounts a LOT myself but don't use any lame ass software to bot it.

If I was to change one single thing about EVE EULA it's make this garbage a ban-able offense.

Have you met a multiboxer with such software? I show who I met...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amDdn8Iiqc0

Managed to ride his tail for almost 2hrs (only option available, as 35 accounts shooting at you is instagib). We pulled back so he wouldn't get his IWINs, and did our best to waste his time. Until he had a friend on OUR side who did his best to give him 40+ deaths by running up to him to die.

That's how these dudes "win".

You face that, you will never think it's "easy" to kill them, nor that it should be in the game.

You used a WoW video to explain why multiboxing shouldn't be in EVE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlm4XrR0VvU

Let me know what you think.

Ill make another video soon showing mining and how to effectively use multiple accounts.

Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer playing with only one account at a time. I currently have only 1 account, and haven't had another one ever. I can "afford it" (via PLEXes) but I'm afraid it will suck out the fun of the game for me.

Multiboxing automation should be banned as it gives an unfair advantage over normal players.

This iswhat is wrong with gaming today... lazy people who cheat.


I put effort into having fun in a game, i actually play the game without any "attachments" to boost my "capabilities".

You must be really shat at gaming if you have to resort to "tools".


And what annoys me more is CCP's attitude to it, only because these people pay more in subscriptions. Well fine, but that means if they start leaving it hurts more, than a large volume of single account owners which can spread the loss of income wheras one player with 10 automated accounts is harder to absorb the loss with.

If CCP focused on making the game fun, and started to ban multiboxers, they should focus on having a large number of single account owners instead of depending on multi account owners which is a huge business risk as we saw during Incarna.

What if CCP would just put this kind of functionality (but better) into the regular client ? :p

You can't do much with so many accounts run by only one person except very basic tasks such as mining and ratting. And all these accounts mining means more subscriptions for CCP, and more cheap minerals on the market. So I don't see it doing too much harm.

Another friend of mine multiboxes eve with 9 carcals and he'e been playing for around month and lives in nullsec.

Multiboxing 9 Carcals

Dual boxing PVP accounts is pretty doable but beyond that it becomes hard to keep track of the battlefield.

which in simple terms means you can't run more than 2 accounts without the isboxer software, you may be able to run more than 2 but as you said yourself it gets hard to keep track of things.
isn't that the very same as saying i get an advantage over others because i use this software isboxer to run more than 2 accounts.

come on, you can all dance around what CCP say is a rule or not. ISboxer gives you an advantage over others and if others wish to be competitive with you they will have no choice but to use that software too, do you really think that's a good thing for EVE as a game (not CCP as a company)

i'm sorry if this butt hurts you isboxer users but i'm not a fan of it.

Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?

I find the term "advantage" to be a very interesting one in terms of EVE Online. I played World of Warcraft for several years (multiboxing 10 accounts), and just recently started playing EVE (enjoying the hell out of it!). This is why I am baffled when folks post a tangent about ISboxer creating an advantage.

Yea, ISboxer provides an advantage. duh. That is rather indisputable. The real question you should ask is if any player or group should have an advantage over another. If you want something to be 'fair' and 'balanced,' you should go play WoW. They limit the size of groups that fight each other. They cap the maximum stats that your character can have in a battleground. The devs of WoW are constantly altering their game to cater to people who cry when they lose.

From what I've seen in EVE, every combat encounter is about advantage. There are no skill point restrictions that prevent pilots of vast SP differences to fight one another. There are no enforced 1:1 ratios allowed to fight, as is the case with Battlegrounds in WoW.

Realistically, there is no such thing as a 'fair' fight in this game. There is no balance; there are superior fits, skills, numbers, fleet comps, effective leadership, and firepower.

Trying to appeal to fairness about anything in this game is gut-bustingly hilarious.

War isn't fair. Real life isn't fair. EVE isn't fair.

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

I'm not an EULA expert nor a macro expert but "push butan : all DPS unlock targets" (which is not as easy to get as it may sound) looks especially suspicious (without a macro you must repeat the keys a few times).

I have no idea why CCP do not consider this an exploit but they really should.
I run multiple accounts a LOT myself but don't use any lame ass software to bot it.

If I was to change one single thing about EVE EULA it's make this garbage a ban-able offense.

Ban ISBoxer

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My opinion is neutral because it is difficult to decide where to draw the line. I have alts that will be on at the same time, but I alt-tab between them. I've never used them together in a fleet as I feel that would be difficult. In that regard, I think ISBoxer would make that a lot easier to do, but there's also the disadvantage in that every character must be flying the same type of ship and fit, and that is not what my alts are for, thus it wouldn't be a benefit for me.

I find the term "advantage" to be a very interesting one in terms of EVE Online. I played World of Warcraft for several years (multiboxing 10 accounts), and just recently started playing EVE (enjoying the hell out of it!). This is why I am baffled when folks post a tangent about ISboxer creating an advantage.

Yea, ISboxer provides an advantage. duh. That is rather indisputable. The real question you should ask is if any player or group should have an advantage over another. If you want something to be 'fair' and 'balanced,' you should go play WoW. They limit the size of groups that fight each other. They cap the maximum stats that your character can have in a battleground. The devs of WoW are constantly altering their game to cater to people who cry when they lose.

From what I've seen in EVE, every combat encounter is about advantage. There are no skill point restrictions that prevent pilots of vast SP differences to fight one another. There are no enforced 1:1 ratios allowed to fight, as is the case with Battlegrounds in WoW.

Realistically, there is no such thing as a 'fair' fight in this game. There is no balance; there are superior fits, skills, numbers, fleet comps, effective leadership, and firepower.

Trying to appeal to fairness about anything in this game is gut-bustingly hilarious.

War isn't fair. Real life isn't fair. EVE isn't fair.

This is exactly the thing.... People compare ISBoxer alts as players....

It's true, EVE isn't fair.

The difference between EVE game mechanics and ISBotter, however, is that you create the advantage with a third-party program and not by using the same measures everyone has access to just by using the legit client.

I think it would be more apt to say that it's a single player with a force multiplier behind it.

But you do have access to it, you're just chosing to not use it. You could just plex instead then use that amount of money on an ISBoxer sub... you saying that you don't have access to it, is just silly.

Please say how you can have an advantage with ISBoxer compared to the Cons.

Just like everybody has access to other bot programs as well.

The advantage is that you have an external program controlling game clients. If there would be no advantages to using such programs, people wouldn't use them.

The difference to a bot exists only in your head because you need to justify your botting.

Compare these programs:

A) saves your keyboard input into memory, repeats the stored sequence 20 times at set intervals
B) saves your keyboard input into memory, repeats the keystrokes immediately 20 times

In both cases, player was at the keyboard and pushed the keys, then an external program replicated the keystrokes 20 times.

The only reason ISBotter is still allowed is because it inflates subscriber numbers, not because it's "not botting", improves the game or fair.

A) Is what a bot is, it stores data and does it automated. That is impossible to setup without a program.
B) Is a human interaction, which is very possible to do irl with more computers.

And no, that's not true. A Bot replicates what it's told 24/7 365 days a year as long as it's active. The Multiboxing software duplicates the key the human is pressing, which have been done irl... google it.
You can call ISBoxer a bot as much as you want, but that's just a sore excuse. ISBoxer doesn't allow you to do anything that you wouldn't be able to do irl with more computers keyboards etc..

Stop being bad at eve, and get friends to beat thoes multiboxers which have apparently touched you in a bad place.

Cognitive dissonance, defeating reality since the 50's.

ISBotter stores your keystrokes exactly in the same way as a macro recorder, and replicates them. Whether the replication happens after milliseconds or 15 minutes is not technically differentiating.

+¥ou are essentially saying that a 3rd party program which controls multiple clients is ok, but a program that controls a single client is not- which just doesn't float.

I'm sorry for you, if you feel that ISBotter makes you good in a computer game. Your last retort is really pathetic.

No, you are completely off the trail if you think that a program controlling a game client is the same as a human hitting a key.

It's natural for you to try to change the reality to fit your moral constructs, but it only happens in your own head.

Then duplicate the keys without the program.

Multiboxing = ok
Using 3rd party programs to control game clients = bad

I am flying a ship with 1000EHP(keeping numbers simple). I encounter non multiboxer. He locks me up, presses F1 once, and hits me with a weapon that does 200 damage a cycle. I have 5 cycles to escape, fight back, what have you.

Same encounter, only this time I encounter "key broadcaster" with his 5 alts. Same exact actions as person one, exact same number of button presses and effort, and bang, I'm insta'ed.

As for it being worse than 5 ships controlled by 5 players, that's true in some ways. In other ways, it totally eliminates the "human factor" that people can, and do exploit. A 5 man automated multibox fleet is 5 guys always ready perfectly following "FC" orders. No cat-herding, bathroom breaks, getting a drink....Every toon locks at the exact same time, points exactly according to command, fires at the same instant. The automation boxed ice mining fleet unloads at the exact same instant, flees gankers at the exact command, etc.
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In a way, automation software like ISBoxer removes the cognitive workload penalty that would otherwise be inherent in running a multibox fleet. You aren't one person splitting efforts to control multiple clients. You aren't five different people attempting to communicate and work together. You have the cognitive workload of one account, with the benefit multiplier of additional toons.

But why would i wanna buy several computers and spent hundreds of thousands of money on it, when i can just subscribe to a multiboxing software?

Come with a reasonable argument for why it's "botting".

Bot is a shorten for "Robot", which is automation.

I've mostly agreed with you in this thread, but I have a technical background, developed since childhood, and what you're saying just isn't true in all respects. It's pointless, really, as I don't care, but I just want to point out that this program is in fact automation. While it requires human interaction to continue to function, it is still automating (ie, replicating) actions across multiple clients. The only difference is that it requires human input to continue functioning. You are correct in your definition of a bot however. It acts independently, and that is an important difference. I also don't feel it's fair to say you need to buy several computers. I can and do at times have twelve clients running at once on my computer. I do not use any third party software for this. As I said, I alt-tab. I offer these comments only to clarify some technical aspects, not the actual merits of this software.

But why would i wanna buy several computers and spent hundreds of thousands of money on it, when i can just subscribe to a multiboxing software?

Come with a reasonable argument for why it's "botting".

Bot is a shorten for "Robot", which is automation.

You don't have to? I could as well ask why would I need to spend hours ratting, when I can just download a bot and put it to work while I sleep.

As presented in the posts above, there is no technical difference between a macro and ISBotter. The difference is only in your head, because you want to see it that way.

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You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

Feel free to google "eve online +G15" as example. Key macros are totally fine as long as you're the one pressing the buttons

In a way, automation software like ISBoxer removes the cognitive workload penalty that would otherwise be inherent in running a multibox fleet. You aren't one person splitting efforts to control multiple clients. You aren't five different people attempting to communicate and work together. You have the cognitive workload of one account, with the benefit multiplier of additional toons.

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As for the amount of effort spent mastering the technique, that's neither here nor there. Spending a lot of time learning to how to exploit a bug, for example, does not mean said exploit isn't wrong. Just because you spent six months learning to ISBox effectively has no bearing on whether or not ISBoxer ultimately damages the game experience for others.

I have no idea why CCP do not consider this an exploit but they really should.
I run multiple accounts a LOT myself but don't use any lame ass software to bot it.

If I was to change one single thing about EVE EULA it's make this garbage a ban-able offense.

Spending 6 months learning and perfecting a technique is profoundly different than writing a script to do it for you.

It's not that multiboxing is evil (I multibox), it's when players don't use good judgment when using so many alts. If you were in a game and met a 40+ multiboxer, you'll learn quickly to dislike them being in group activities (no real way to counter them. Tactics like identifying and killing the main don't even work anymore). It makes a game not a "game" anymore.

In WoW it's gotten to be in PvP with such multiboxers it's which team with less bots and multiboxers wins. Lead a BG there when a 40 boxer showed up. Manage to make the dude wait almost 2hrs for his "guaranteed win", but the outcome was assured as there's no means in the instance to remedy the situation.

Solo activities no one cares. But in groups it becomes a bot vs bot fest. That isn't good.

Two people, each running twenty accounts on one machine. One guy has to watch one overview, click a button one time. The other one has to alt tab between clients, and click twenty buttons.

If it takes 6 months of testing and tweaking to make your bot script operate correctly, does that make it suddenly ok? If not, then why does the amount of real-life time make any difference, regardless of the activity?

Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer playing with only one account at a time. I currently have only 1 account, and haven't had another one ever. I can "afford it" (via PLEXes) but I'm afraid it will suck out the fun of the game for me.

In a game where a half second's hesitation can (and does) determine the loss of a billion ISK, trying to pretend that NOT having to spent those precious few seconds is anything other than an advantage is a blatant disregard for the truth.

Stop trying to compare them to make a point because they are completely different.

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When has EVE ever had a level playing field? Someone who invests a lot of time and effort into something SHOULD have certain advantages, but still be counterable in the right conditions.

Someone multiboxing 6 drakes is certainly counterable - they have no logistics, they can't micromanage and they don't have the control granularity that 6 real pilots would have.

When it comes to other players, there are some very simple things you can do to bring a smile to their faces. I like to put on a little show, sort of like live machinima. If someone is following me around and watching, I will put my guys in a Flying V formation (a simple 2-step key map where 4 guys move on the first step, and 2 guys move on the second), and break into a dance. People also like to see you do the same thing across all of your characters at once (unless you're killing them at the time). It's as simple as making all of your guys jump at the same time. It just blows their mind. Or all use a different buff at once, and so on. Or Death Knights in WoW have a spell called Army of the Dead, which spawns several ghouls and can be used every 20 minutes -- that adds up to fun when you have multiple Death Knights!

Is such a fleet counterable? Of course it is. The real question though is: Could a normal person run such a fleet by themselves without the use of these out of game tools? The answer to that question is what determines if ISBoxer provides an unnatural advantage or not.

All you're trying to do is 'level' the playing field (not that I think it needs leveled in the first place) because you are presumably incapable of doing it yourself (either because of resources, computer hardware, real life time or whatever) and eliminate a huge amount of endgame content that many people enjoy.

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

Why should I stop comparing them when you continue to do so to make your own points?

You should compare it with a guy running multiple computers with one EVE client each, connected by a kvm switch, that pases mouse and keyboard actions to each computer.
And you will see that this guy doesn't use any third party software and gets the same result as the Isboxer.

You should compare it with a guy running multiple computers with one EVE client each, connected by a kvm switch, that pases mouse and keyboard actions to each computer.
And you will see that this guy doesn't use any third party software and gets the same result as the Isboxer.

Exactly THANK YOU, for throwing some wisdom out here.
ISBoxer just makes it alot cheaper to multibox.

Forgive me, but a legit question. I haven't messed with KVM stuff for...at least 15 years. The last KVM I used had a "computer A, B, C, D, etc" rotary switch that you had to physically change. you still had to issue individual commands to each system.

Do they make KVM systems that "broadcast" one keystroke to multiple systems?

Forgive me, but a legit question. I haven't messed with KVM stuff for...at least 15 years. The last KVM I used had a "computer A, B, C, D, etc" rotary switch that you had to physically change. you still had to issue individual commands to each system.

Do they make KVM systems that "broadcast" one keystroke to multiple systems?

This is simply killing the MMO element of this game, things that used to be group activities (IT'S A MMO FFS !!) are now done just as well by a single pilot with many toons. You need someone to light a cyno for your cap ship (caps were intended as a group project I belive) naahh, I'll just log in one of my 10+ alts spread around the galaxy and cyno myself, I don't need to interact with other pilots it's a single player campaign right ?? first one to 10000 Billions wins ??

get in a group, run difficult sites, Mine, share good stories and have some laughs while you are at it interact with people FFS ! It's a game its not work