WH space used to be about small scale PVP with 25-30man fleets being about the peak for most groups.

I think it is in the human nature to form larger and larger organizations to beat other larger and larger organizations.

What would have happened if only Polarized attacked TL and our side didn't form up a massive fleet to try and roll for holes? Would Polarized still have been successful?

Is this why Exhalized fields 50 man fleets while the rest >30?

The thing is, I probe further than my static for it, and I definitely do not try to find small gang warfare by trying to evict PvP corporations. You won't find interesting fights just by rolling your c6 or c5 static and not probing further down the chain, or just by invading holes.

Go in with good numbers and prove your skill.. hold back some caps and heli D*ck them in at the last minute to tip things in your favor.. But I mean honestly bringing 10 times the numbers to start is just lame.. IMO

Except it wasn't anywhere near 10x the number at the start. Once we started hearing of TL getting on their bat phones is when we called in more people. We knew exactly what came to help you guys and we had to prepare for that. Hell, at one time you guys had roughly 110 fleet based on what I have heard. Add to that the numerous third parties rolling to get in and whatever other allies you had that may have not been in fleet, it would have been a lot more than that.

And just to make it 100% clear, I am not blaming them at all for getting help. You are defending your wh from a possible eviction. You do whatever it takes.

Once we started hearing of TL getting on their bat phones is when we called in more people.

To point out I dident claim you guys specifically.. I just mean in general the first thought when you decide to pew someone is bring out all the things and rage at them with 400.. It would be nice if that wasent the first case..

Tbh there was this other big wormhole eviction attempt I was referring to.. Wink Wink.. Where the first thought was bring all the blues.. Then claim we are here for goodfites..

In your attempt though.. I honestly dont think there would have been so much defence responce if you hadent brought what you did.. Im pretty sure polarized could have done it alone easily.. and 1 v 1 in wormholes is something I think we would all like to see..

Are you sure your timeline is correct? Cause I smell confusion here...
And are you completely sure you didn't batphone people in advance cause of some desaster that happened earlier, trying this 'invasion'?

Considering I was there the entire op, I can say with 100% certainty that my timeline is correct. As far as a disaster earlier, I have no idea what that could have been.

I know the hole story? Im just trying to figure out what this disaster is?

Considering I was there the entire op, I can say with 100% certainty that my timeline is correct. As far as a disaster earlier, I have no idea what that could have been.

In conclusion, based on the numbers you had in your defense fleet, plus the number of third parties that we knew about trying to get in, I would say the right call was made to bring in more people. That said, it really sucks that a bigger fight didn't happen. Having never lived in null, I have never been part of a "large" fleet fight. Would have been awesome

I keep seeing this "110" number...

Can someone explain how evicting a PVP corp from a wormhole prevents them from participating in WH PVP?

Can someone explain how evicting a PVP corp from a wormhole prevents them from participating in WH PVP?

"I have called this principle, by which each slight variation, if useful, is preserved, by the term Natural Selection"

~ Charles Darwin

This is all a purely hypothetical scenario so take it with a grain of salt.

So how does removing a PVP corp from WHs prevent you from participating in WH pvp? Well the answer is simple. Lets say that there are only 5 major entities in WH space. You are one of them.

You get it in your head that you want to evict another group of WHers that you PVP with every week. All good fights, some you win, some you lose. So you go in, you call on two of the other guys and you evict this guy.

You just reduced your PVP opportunities by 25 percent.

Now I know this scenario doesnt really translate well into eve because its using such a low number, but you get the message. The more people you evict, the less people you have to shoot. And if you evict everyone? Well congratulations you are victorious, you just killed off all of your PVP targets. You will NEVER pvp in WHs again in any meaningful capacity. You will only gank miners or the random low man site group. But hey, it doesnt matter right? You are victorious right? You won eve online, at least in WH space.

You just reduced your PVP opportunities by 25 percent.

Now I know this scenario doesnt really translate well into eve because its using such a low number, but you get the message. The more people you evict, the less people you have to shoot. And if you evict everyone? Well congratulations you are victorious, you just killed off all of your PVP targets. You will NEVER pvp in WHs again in any meaningful capacity. You will only gank miners or the random low man site group. But hey, it doesnt matter right? You are victorious right? You won eve online, at least in WH space.

... TL is showing no sign of losing any members after their eviction).

Can someone explain how evicting a PVP corp from a wormhole prevents them from participating in WH PVP?

you don't have to put everything you own in a POS in a wormhole.

Then there is bob. What does he think about our form ups. Is he angry that we form up to fight a stronger enemy thus diluting our victory? Does he then smile as the other side team up to slay the mighty beast? Or is he simply happy that the blood of the WHer is spilt? Does he choke on the blood easily poured from an open wound? Or does he simply drink it all up and savor in the taste? SSC might be able to answer this one the best. Father Herrbert I look to you for guidance in these matters. (Sorry bert, couldnt resist)

And they have, in fact, already set up after the "eviction"... one day after the eviction operation... in the same wormhole they were "evicted" from, no less.

Lies. All lies.


We have joined faction warfare in empire.

The end result of the whole thing is that some people will shoot structures, others will have to set them up again in a different system, yet others will have to spend some time building up their assets again.... all in the name of "good fights".

We are now doing factionwarfare ofc :P but as a group it brought us more together. We learned from this aswell. i would almost want to say thanks you to the invaders, it even was enjoyable at some points

(everything stated above is personal)

Well if I may put in my two cents as someone who is a member of a smaller pvp group playing in W-space. Seeing any evictions is rather sad, considering w-space hold an already small population. (Not to say groups that are evicted can't recover).

Chitsa said that evictions are some thing that happens because of personal reasons, so my question would be why did polarized decide to evict TL? I was told recently that I had the wrong information about it all so would someone fill me in on this grand reason to evict a legit PvP alliance?

Also as for the 'good publicity' which was also mentioned here by Chitsa. this is the stupidest thing you ever said (sorry bro no offence) and anyone who thinks this is good for w-space is lost in their ways and should look towards playing the game as a sov holding entity in Null. Do I, the little guy, need to remind these big C5/C6 corporations what the fun w-space looked like? Do I, the guy who has been playing in wormholes for only the last 9 month need to remind you that w-space was meant for small gangs not blobs?

I joined w-space because I hate blues, because I love small gang PvP and because I didn't want to be just a +1 in a fleet of a 100. W-space was always more civil then other places on New Eden and the fact that someone thinks that they need to bring everyone that wishes to see an explosion to something that, you yourselves, labeled "personal" is a shame on you all!

Null is the place that is reserved for angry revenge and massive fights. The publicity of w-space should not come from drama, it should come from the culture and the community that revolves around this mechanic. I had endless praises as of late from dozens of podcasters, community people and players at the resolve and teamwork w-space showed to get all wormhole 5 on the final election ballot. That is the right kind of publicity.

W-space is where even the small guy can thrive and not destroyed by superior numbers and assets that are our of their financial reach. I guess what I'm trying to say is that next time this kind of eviction happens I personally will will not attend unless my CEO really needs me to do it. And if I get labeled with AHARM as a pacifist so be it because BOB knows the truth.

Please all I say here does not reflect SUSU in any way. It doesn't even reflect DTP views its my own personal.

Well if I may put in my two cents as someone who is a member of a smaller pvp group playing in W-space. Seeing any evictions is rather sad, considering w-space hold an already small population. (Not to say groups that are evicted can't recover).

Chitsa said that evictions are some thing that happens because of personal reasons, so my question would be why did polarized decide to evict TL? I was told recently that I had the wrong information about it all so would someone fill me in on this grand reason to evict a legit PvP alliance?

Also as for the 'good publicity' which was also mentioned here by Chitsa. this is the stupidest thing you ever said (sorry bro no offence) and anyone who thinks this is good for w-space is lost in their ways and should look towards playing the game as a sov holding entity in Null. Do I, the little guy, need to remind these big C5/C6 corporations what the fun w-space looked like? Do I, the guy who has been playing in wormholes for only the last 9 month need to remind you that w-space was meant for small gangs not blobs?

I joined w-space because I hate blues, because I love small gang PvP and because I didn't want to be just a +1 in a fleet of a 100. W-space was always more civil then other places on New Eden and the fact that someone thinks that they need to bring everyone that wishes to see an explosion to something that, you yourselves, labeled "personal" is a shame on you all!

Null is the place that is reserved for angry revenge and massive fights. The publicity of w-space should not come from drama, it should come from the culture and the community that revolves around this mechanic. I had endless praises as of late from dozens of podcasters, community people and players at the resolve and teamwork w-space showed to get all wormhole 5 on the final election ballot. That is the right kind of publicity.

W-space is where even the small guy can thrive and not destroyed by superior numbers and assets that are our of their financial reach. I guess what I'm trying to say is that next time this kind of eviction happens I personally will will not attend unless my CEO really needs me to do it. And if I get labeled with AHARM as a pacifist so be it because BOB knows the truth.

Please all I say here does not reflect SUSU in any way. It doesn't even reflect DTP views its my own personal.

As a listener of your podcasts I find some of the above statment a little hypocritical.

Didnt you guys tackle a few dreads in a system then batphone for help.

Like you say you want w-space to be small gang pvp (as do i) but if you cant deal with a situation by yourselves then leave it alone.

It's always worked along the lines of the following;

If you lose. You were blobbed.

If you win. It was a "good fight".

A few days later you wipe the blood off, shake hands and kick someone else's teeth in, eat some pretzels and drink some beer, then go back to shooting each other in the face.

I can't emphasize this enough. How you treat other people, even your bitterest rivals, matters in W-space. It's a smallish community. Create too much bad blood and it doesn't matter how hardcore you are at PvP. How many are in your corp. Or what your "reputation" is. Someone, more rather, groups of someones is going to push your sandcastle over and bring along scores of other people that you've irritated because you've been an annoying pudknocker.

Feel the urge to sperg in local? Don't. People have LONG memories in W-space. Old age and treachery will always win out over youth and wit.

Plain and simple. There's no over-riding "moral code" in W-space other than "Not purple, shoot it. And treat others with a modicum of respect in Local."

Everything else is fair game.

Bane started it.

It's always worked along the lines of the following;

If you lose. You were blobbed.

If you win. It was a "good fight".

A few days later you wipe the blood off, shake hands and kick someone else's teeth in, eat some pretzels and drink some beer, then go back to shooting each other in the face.

I can't emphasize this enough. How you treat other people, even your bitterest rivals, matters in W-space. It's a smallish community. Create too much bad blood and it doesn't matter how hardcore you are at PvP. How many are in your corp. Or what your "reputation" is. Someone, more rather, groups of someones is going to push your sandcastle over and bring along scores of other people that you've irritated because you've been an annoying pudknocker.

Feel the urge to sperg in local? Don't. People have LONG memories in W-space. Old age and treachery will always win out over youth and wit.

Plain and simple. There's no over-riding "moral code" in W-space other than "Not purple, shoot it. And treat others with a modicum of respect in Local."

Everything else is fair game.

It's always worked along the lines of the following;

If you lose. You were blobbed.

If you win. It was a "good fight".

A few days later you wipe the blood off, shake hands and kick someone else's teeth in, eat some pretzels and drink some beer, then go back to shooting each other in the face.

I can't emphasize this enough. How you treat other people, even your bitterest rivals, matters in W-space. It's a smallish community. Create too much bad blood and it doesn't matter how hardcore you are at PvP. How many are in your corp. Or what your "reputation" is. Someone, more rather, groups of someones is going to push your sandcastle over and bring along scores of other people that you've irritated because you've been an annoying pudknocker.

Feel the urge to sperg in local? Don't. People have LONG memories in W-space. Old age and treachery will always win out over youth and wit.

Plain and simple. There's no over-riding "moral code" in W-space other than "Not purple, shoot it. And treat others with a modicum of respect in Local."

Everything else is fair game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXN0FUpz2kA

This is where the big fleets belong, yes?

As I heard it the dreads were in a wormhole.


If your ceo wants to batphone every Tom,**** and Harry everytime he comes across a situation you guy's cannot handle then you may aswell just join them and it may be easier to fleet up next

Well if I may put in my two cents as someone who is a member of a smaller pvp group playing in W-space. Seeing any evictions is rather sad, considering w-space hold an already small population. (Not to say groups that are evicted can't recover).

Also as for the 'good publicity' which was also mentioned here by Chitsa. this is the stupidest thing you ever said (sorry bro no offence) and anyone who thinks this is good for w-space is lost in their ways and should look towards playing the game as a sov holding entity in Null. Do I, the little guy, need to remind these big C5/C6 corporations what the fun w-space looked like? Do I, the guy who has been playing in wormholes for only the last 9 month need to remind you that w-space was meant for small gangs not blobs?

I joined w-space because I hate blues, because I love small gang PvP and because I didn't want to be just a +1 in a fleet of a 100. W-space was always more civil then other places on New Eden and the fact that someone thinks that they need to bring everyone that wishes to see an explosion to something that, you yourselves, labeled "personal" is a shame on you all!

TLost would rather log off all their cap pilots then fight with them. They're that 'pvp' group who smacks in local about attackers not wanting to fight them on 'equal terms' then proceeding to SD ships in pos shields then log of with what they've got left rather then put up even a struggle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXN0FUpz2kA

This is where the big fleets belong, yes?

The current state of WH invasions/evictions is much like nullsec: both sides escalate until the one with more/luckier friends just wins on numbers.
WH space used to be about small scale PVP with 25-30man fleets being about the peak for most groups.
At those numbers tactics and skill still play a huge role where at 150+ man fleets where 10%+ of that is blap dreads, they really don't.

Personally I miss what WH fleets used to look like but i also know that It is extremely unlikely to ever change back.

This.

This is a weakness in w-space habitation. The best strategy, if one is to live in w-space maintaining hundreds of billions in assets therein, is to always be the invader with overwhelmingly large fleets...read that as this is your sole existence, to invade other inhabitants thereby pre-emptively eliminating potential threats before they eliminate you. Otherwise, it's merely time before a 200 man fleet shows up on your doorstep of which you cannot defend against.

Polarized. does not do evictions. We've cleared three systems the past month, two planned on contract and one ad-hoc given the situation. We do not settle in these systems to prevent the opposition from setting up again. Generally our opponents just log in the expensive stuff after we leave and get back to business. No locked forum posts, threats, prank calls, or nasty evemails. Just some jokes back and forth and kind words over fights exchanged by both parties. That is the norm.

Polarized. does not do evictions. We've cleared three systems the past month, two planned on contract and one ad-hoc given the situation. We do not settle in these systems to prevent the opposition from setting up again. Generally our opponents just log in the expensive stuff after we leave and get back to business. No locked forum posts, threats, prank calls, or nasty evemails. Just some jokes back and forth and kind words over fights exchanged by both parties. That is the norm.

Did I say anything about polarized? This isn't a TL thread just a example to drive the conversation. You're talking this way too personally Max.

P.S. Rek thanks for participating

Well if I may put in my two cents as someone who is a member of a smaller pvp group playing in W-space. Seeing any evictions is rather sad, considering w-space hold an already small population. (Not to say groups that are evicted can't recover).

Chitsa said that evictions are some thing that happens because of personal reasons, so my question would be why did polarized decide to evict TL? I was told recently that I had the wrong information about it all so would someone fill me in on this grand reason to evict a legit PvP alliance?

Also as for the 'good publicity' which was also mentioned here by Chitsa. this is the stupidest thing you ever said (sorry bro no offence) and anyone who thinks this is good for w-space is lost in their ways and should look towards playing the game as a sov holding entity in Null. Do I, the little guy, need to remind these big C5/C6 corporations what the fun w-space looked like? Do I, the guy who has been playing in wormholes for only the last 9 month need to remind you that w-space was meant for small gangs not blobs?

I joined w-space because I hate blues, because I love small gang PvP and because I didn't want to be just a +1 in a fleet of a 100. W-space was always more civil then other places on New Eden and the fact that someone thinks that they need to bring everyone that wishes to see an explosion to something that, you yourselves, labeled "personal" is a shame on you all!

Null is the place that is reserved for angry revenge and massive fights. The publicity of w-space should not come from drama, it should come from the culture and the community that revolves around this mechanic. I had endless praises as of late from dozens of podcasters, community people and players at the resolve and teamwork w-space showed to get all wormhole 5 on the final election ballot. That is the right kind of publicity.

W-space is where even the small guy can thrive and not destroyed by superior numbers and assets that are our of their financial reach. I guess what I'm trying to say is that next time this kind of eviction happens I personally will will not attend unless my CEO really needs me to do it. And if I get labeled with AHARM as a pacifist so be it because BOB knows the truth.

Please all I say here does not reflect SUSU in any way. It doesn't even reflect DTP views its my own personal.

Lol, we don't do evictions guys we just get paid for them....
The Iraqi Minister of Information is alive and well

Saying you are using an eviction as a conflict driver is a false statement. If you TRULY wanted a conflict driver, you would jump in your caps and your subcaps, warp to a safespot and just sit there. You could even hide your caps and just keep half of your subcaps on grid to sping a trap, whatever. This would work to get people to come and attack you. Especially if you did it during their primetime. (Sitting a fleet out while only 3 of them are online and then proceeding to evict doesnt count.)

No one believes anyone when they say that the eviction was just a method to get a good fight. If this were EVER true, you wouldnt destroy towers. You could simply shoot a poco and use its reinforcement timer as the countdown for the fleet fight. So Im calling out everyone who ever says they are looking for good fights when they destroy a pos. You are a liar.

We do system wipes, not evictions... as was mentioned earlier in thread. We do not care about those systems, and that is why our last four opponents are in those systems right now doing PVE. An eviction, by definition, is an action to force someone to leave the premises.

I would only counter that we have no reason to distort anything, and we are not the originators of these posts. From our perspective it is not the aggressors that are posting all kinds of spin here on the forums. This is clearly an attempt by the parties that came up short to explain away massive losses and some outrageously poor strategic decisions.

We had no plans to do it again, but with all this crying some of these folks are certainly making a case for us to consider it.

I mean for crying out loud, its the same old usual suspects that have been doing these invasions and evictions, alliance names might change and corps get shifted but you have been at it for a couple of years and its not like anyone has the numbers or the interest in stopping you. Just quit this spin machine, man up and say "Yeah, we beat them down and we will do something like this again". FFS.

isn't it the same people posting bulllshit and starting butthurt threads about what other people did for the past couple of weeks? :D like you.

man up and say: I don't like the way you play the game and i'm butthurt that you don't play the game the same way i do.

Notice the lack of catchphrases such as "system wipes" and "conflict drivers". Oh man, those are still cracking me up.

... and I will always assist in defense of those who have lend a helping hand in defense of Banana.

Nah, I am simply calling it like it is. Notice the lack of catchphrases such as "system wipes" and "conflict drivers". Oh man, those are still cracking me up.

As for manning up and saying something, here goes: I will never invade any entity, unless they come from null, and I will always assist in defense of those who have lend a helping hand in defense of Banana.

Does that mean you will help my corp in case of invasion as I was helping banana defence in my carrier and my legion?

Nah, I am simply calling it like it is. Notice the lack of catchphrases such as "system wipes" and "conflict drivers". Oh man, those are still cracking me up.

As for manning up and saying something, here goes: I will never invade any entity, unless they come from null, and I will always assist in defense of those who have lend a helping hand in defense of Banana.

Then there is bob. What does he think about our form ups. Is he angry that we form up to fight a stronger enemy thus diluting our victory? Does he then smile as the other side team up to slay the mighty beast? Or is he simply happy that the blood of the WHer is spilt? Does he choke on the blood easily poured from an open wound? Or does he simply drink it all up and savor in the taste? SSC might be able to answer this one the best. Father Herrbert I look to you for guidance in these matters. (Sorry bert, couldnt resist)

Does that mean you will help my corp in case of invasion as I was helping banana defence in my carrier and my legion?

Then what would you call it? I think system wipe is a pretty apt description for wiping out all structures in a system...

Sounds like you are being driven towards conflict in that example... now what should we can that i wonder?

Fellow Holemonkeys and Galacticbrainiacs.

The Bob is not pleased nor is he displeased, with the actions that happened regarding the TL Siege. He is pleased to see this lively discussion about the development of his kingdom. He feels the love through personal sacrifices. And keep in mind where there is ashes there will be fertile ground. The fact of the matter is sometimes it requires scorched earth to unite people. Sometimes it requires peace to start war.

The way of Bob is pathed with Trolls, Guns and Wrecks. So saying a Siege is unfair or numbers are unbalanced is a matter of perspective. He gave us guidelines, one may interpretate to not evict PvP. But it is also a great sacrifice and remember Bob fortunes those who sacrifice the most if they get up again and dust of their shoulders.

But asking for which side Bob would take seems like asking for a Holy War. Bob doesn't take sides. He who is so devious, takes loot and Kill mails. Some may say the sacrifice in Loveshack was a good one, some say it was too much and now we have to make an even bigger one. But most of you are doomed to see the real picture. Bob loves all the sacrifices.

If it's the Venture you caught harvesting C540 or the Battleship that tried to crash a hole, the JF that wanted to exploit a good direct Known space connection or the Carrier triaging to help his friends beat the sleeper. They all mean the same to him. His love is not measured by Isk destroyed. It's the effort of pilots, the sweat of teamwork and the countless screams of Scanners throughout his Systems.

praised be bob

Fellow Holemonkeys and Galacticbrainiacs.

The Bob is not pleased nor is he displeased, with the actions that happened regarding the TL Siege. He is pleased to see this lively discussion about the development of his kingdom. He feels the love through personal sacrifices. And keep in mind where there is ashes there will be fertile ground. The fact of the matter is sometimes it requires scorched earth to unite people. Sometimes it requires peace to start war.

The way of Bob is pathed with Trolls, Guns and Wrecks. So saying a Siege is unfair or numbers are unbalanced is a matter of perspective. He gave us guidelines, one may interpretate to not evict PvP. But it is also a great sacrifice and remember Bob fortunes those who sacrifice the most if they get up again and dust of their shoulders.

But asking for which side Bob would take seems like asking for a Holy War. Bob doesn't take sides. He who is so devious, takes loot and Kill mails. Some may say the sacrifice in Loveshack was a good one, some say it was too much and now we have to make an even bigger one. But most of you are doomed to see the real picture. Bob loves all the sacrifices.

If it's the Venture you caught harvesting C540 or the Battleship that tried to crash a hole, the JF that wanted to exploit a good direct Known space connection or the Carrier triaging to help his friends beat the sleeper. They all mean the same to him. His love is not measured by Isk destroyed. It's the effort of pilots, the sweat of teamwork and the countless screams of Scanners throughout his Systems.

praised be bob

Call it what you want Gnaw LF but either way you are wrong.

Thread end

Thanks, i have every post you've made in this thread for inspiration.

How can you describing a non-eviction as an eviction not make you wrong?

Move out of a c5/c6 then.

Guys, guys, guys... I just learned that if you kill some alliances towers but then LEAVE their system then its not an eviction. Just Spring Cleaning. They are more then welcome to move back into the system that may or may not have a ton of capital ships logged off in it. How gracious of you Castor, truly an example to live by, why I would say that Polarized. has truly opened my eyes. Your actions were not a violent eviction, it was nothing but a playful peck, a cheerful and gentle kiss between two long separated childhood friends.

This thread is too funny.

Lol...if we had capitals in their system...we would be sieging it again...gotta keep those gentle kisses coming...I guess you really don't know what the word evict means...I literally spelled it out for u

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Before I start, I want to make it 100 percent clear. I am in no way speaking for Hard Knocks or any other corp or alliance that took part in the defense of TLost or my home system in December. I am here as a simple wormholer wanting the opinions of other WHers, or K-space dwellers, on the recent events in W-Space....

As you all know there has been a lot of teaming up recently in W-space on one side of some dispute or the other...

... But of course someone is going to tel me that i'm wrong and we did evict TL from wormhole space and no conflict was created as a result of our actions.

Also argument about doing this as a sort of PR for w-space doesnt really hold water. Only a miniscule fraction of eviction ops result in glorious battles which get reported and non-eviction random battles get reported about as much. And advertising the fact that your w-space home can at any time be invaded (allegedly for no apparent reason) by several hundred people (aka blob) giving you no chance to defend yourself isnt gonna atract new people to wspace, is it....

That is a completely legitimate view and for the most part, i agree that this news may do little to encourage new people to move into wormhole space but on the other hand, we don't know that for sure... I guess i was arguing for the principle that any publicity is good publicity.

I think there is a bigger question here: If CCP leave it to us to advertise and attract new people to wormhole space, how can this be done without grabbing media attention through evictions/invasions, corp thefts and blueing up to fight null sec entities?

Odyssey might also help out by making wh space more "habitable" by UI changes and fixing roles and POSes, so that new corps can actually recruit people without having all their **** stolen every two months.

I'm not sure if this is the right thread to discuss this in... but imho the best PR for wh dwellers is:
- murdering nullbears while outnumbered (ie. what VoC does best)
- mythical good fights, 10-30 men slugfests on connections with no drama and lasting "frenemyship" (is that a word?). Our recent gentlemanly brawl with NoHo springs to mind.

Odyssey might also help out by making wh space more "habitable" by UI changes and fixing roles and POSes, so that new corps can actually recruit people without having all their **** stolen every two months.

For Bob's sake I ran across a C5 that had a Goon farming op in it! They PoSed up at the first sign of potential hostility of course. RR Tengus and Dreads for escalations. Five, yes five, Noctis salvaging. Why there hasn't been a collective push to truly evict these Sov-holding heathens from our space, is beyond me.

Why is this allowed to happen? Allowing these farming entities to continue will hurt our income. The income makes it easier to have our glorious fights.

It's one thing to sell to null people. That's why we get the resources and drop them in k-space. Want to see what happens when we let it? Look at OTEC and the Tech market.

You all think a fleet of 135 is bad? Wait until these nullsec coalitions get the mechanics down. They could fit hundreds in a J-system within hours, since they could titan bridge fleets every time they rolled a LS.

For Bob's sake I ran across a C5 that had a Goon farming op in it! They PoSed up at the first sign of potential hostility of course. RR Tengus and Dreads for escalations. Five, yes five, Noctis salvaging. Why there hasn't been a collective push to truly evict these Sov-holding heathens from our space, is beyond me.

These huge blobs were always inevitable... we all knew this would happen, more and more people have been drawn into wormhole space, specifically upper class wormholes in the past year. It is only human nature to team up with others to defend a common belief, no one can stop that. Wormhole space is at a crossroads, do the leaders of w-space want to allow their corporations/alliances/coalitions to evict people who give goodfites and leave only groups who use 15 guards, multiple webbing lokis, and a few blap dreads? The day that all the groups who are not capable of fielding these numbers are evicted, is the day that wormhole space, or classical wormhole space will die.

There is still multiple ways of preventing this from happening, there needs to be less evictions and less log on traps and more good fair fights.

Just my opinion.

mmm... forum ate my post.

So how are you gonna make sure the fights stay fair? Give out free intel to your enemies? Tell 10 of your corp / alliance members to pos up while 20 of you have a brawl with some 'frienemies'?

eve and fair don't go together. Plus my view on evictions is that when you're enemy's backs are against a wall, they become more dangerous, but that's not always the case.

If only wormholes had mass limits, some kind of upper limit to the amount of ships/shiptypes that could go through it.

It might be a longshot, but I suppose we would petition CCP.


The decision to "blob" is a personal one, and some sort of unavoidable circumstance.

We saw Red alliance the other day :/

But they don't have that mass limit right now. You can ask for that and it might actually happen, cause as far as i'm aware wormholes are pretty much the same as when they were released, and i do think a change is in order, because the situation has changed since then. But that's not the case right now and the OP asks about what you can do NOW.

And yeah the decision to blob is a personal one, one that is allowed for anyone to make. As you can decide to self destruct ships inside a pos shield.

I don't have to respect an 'honour' code if I didn't take it up myself. As Tuna said, this is a sandbox, and you can't tell me how to play this game.

How did you miss that sarcasm? Every wormhole has a mass limit.

so when you share a static or roll into another entity, you have a limited composition, even with a c5/c6 hole. This is where you make the decision between having a fight up to 45/45 per side, or seed in multiple roles to double or triple the number.

That's the decision one makes, and the reflection on what they want. You want a blobfest? spend days seeding.

3bil hole = at least 200 cruisers

Need mass for return trip, and potential for escalation.

Also, account for possible enemy movement through the hole.

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OK, you can't commit to a fight cause you need to run in case of bad things happening, you are tlost after all. The people who had a coalition with TALUN last year with a total of about 1.2k members and still needed nullsec help to try fend off an invasion.

Also i don't need to account for 'possible enemy movement' when i ROLLED INTO THEM.
Also i rounded up the mass / cruiser to about 20 when in fact it's more like 15-16.

Oh by the way, I suck at diplomacy!

I have a question for everyone:

Should the major wormhole alliances sign some sort of non intervention pact to help govern invasions/evictions?

Effectively this would mean if one alliance invaded another wormhole, the defenders would be "breaking the rules" if they batphone for help.

I have a question for everyone:

Should the major wormhole alliances sign some sort of non intervention pact to help govern invasions/evictions?

Effectively this would mean if one alliance invaded another wormhole, the defenders would be "breaking the rules" if they batphone for help.

I have a question for everyone:

Should the major wormhole alliances sign some sort of non intervention pact to help govern invasions/evictions?

Effectively this would mean if one alliance invaded another wormhole, the defenders would be "breaking the rules" if they batphone for help.

don't answer questions with questions mate. If you have a comment, make it

Thanks for the replies. It was a question, not a proposal.

I find it interesting that the replies so far are against the idea, even though most people are against the idea of blue blobs...

Thanks for the replies. It was a question, not a proposal.

I find it interesting that the replies so far are against the idea, even though most people are against the idea of blue blobs...

• Not for NIP
• Not for blue donut

I think you don't even understand your own point.

I have a question for everyone:

Should the major wormhole alliances sign some sort of non intervention pact to help govern invasions/evictions?

Effectively this would mean if one alliance invaded another wormhole, the defenders would be "breaking the rules" if they batphone for help.

I thought i was asking a simple question that would get a simple answer but apparently you thought it would be a better use of your time to post some crap about your screwed up childhood to try and make your self look cleaver...

Ah there's the other troll

It's a shame that you two lack the ability to have an intelligent discussion and resort to endless trolling when you lose an argument. It only shows that your logic and reasoning skill are flawed and that people have no reason to listen to anything you have to say.

I feel sorry for you guys and anyone that has the displeasure of knowing you but i won't be wasting ye time on you any more. Blocked.

Are you for or against the idea of players discouraging blobbing during invasions, Godfrey?

Ah there's the other troll

It's a shame that you two lack the ability to have an intelligent discussion and resort to endless trolling when you lose an argument. It only shows that your logic and reasoning skill are flawed and that people have no reason to listen to anything you have to say.

I feel sorry for you guys and anyone that has the displeasure of knowing you but i won't be wasting ye time on you any more. Blocked.

Attacking a carebear hole is a lot different than forming up a 40-50 man fleet from your own allaince to team up with people you generally do not like to come help defend someone who is being invaded by said null bears.

We've all attacked ratting null bears in WHs.

Also we dont care if you attack null bear holes because they dont fight. They pos up the instant something comes on D-scan and dont come back until the "bad men" are gone. WHs lose nothing when these infidels are killed off.

Upset, not upset. Mad or not, its all irrelevant, this thread is tons of fun. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is why Polarized. is trying to put a spin on this eviction, is there some sort of beauty pageant they are trying to win?

Whatever, we all voted for Riverini anyways right?

I had no grudge with TL so I think they didn't deserve it. Same with the rest of EVE.

Whatever, we all voted for Riverini anyways right?

Night beagle CSM9.

Considering the amount of people wanting to help us/stayed neutral, I would say that statement is dubious.

Considering the amount of people wanting to help us/stayed neutral, I would say that statement is dubious.

Wow. I can't even scratch the surface on an explanation to this.

Round 2 Fight!

I have a question for everyone:

Should the major wormhole alliances sign some sort of non intervention pact to help govern invasions/evictions?

Effectively this would mean if one alliance invaded another wormhole, the defenders would be "breaking the rules" if they batphone for help.

Considering the amount of people wanting to help us/stayed neutral, I would say that statement is dubious.

LOOK ITS A TEST GUY. GET HIM. *hoping this severely derailed thread ends*

You'd have to get the leaders of the big WH alliances together and agree on an _intervention_ pact instead.

If an alliance is attacked by a coalition (i.e. more than one alliance working coordinated), Wspace UNO would be forced/obliged to intervene against that coalition - for a fixed amount of time and/or until eviction from their major WHs.

Should I rename this thread? Days of our WHs. or All my Wormholers. As the Hole Turns. Better yet, General WH.

For the love of Bob, lock this thread.

That's not good if you're a diplo.

Just sayin'

Sorry, Just saw this, you think QT is a diplo? Wat

Also, this thread was a good read

Sorry, Just saw this, you think QT is a diplo? Wat

Also, this thread was a good read

Insidious had Night Beagle.

If your not big/good enough to take the defending guys in there expected batphone state then you shouldn't be invading them!

Considering where my spaceship currently is, I find your post ironic.

That being said, I don't disagree with invasions. I disagree with some of the ways in which they've been done. This being a sandbox game I welcome those ways. It doesn't mean I have to enjoy it.

Make sure you join joint comms and LOST comms before you log in if you are in the target system. We don't want to give away the element of surprise.

POC will be Myself, Terumah, or Awing.

Friendly POS comes out of Reo in exactly 1 day 10 minutes from now. So be on comms before hand ready to log in.

Regards,

Torshawna

Considering where my spaceship currently is, I find your post ironic.

That being said, I don't disagree with invasions. I disagree with some of the ways in which they've been done. This being a sandbox game I welcome those ways. It doesn't mean I have to enjoy it.