Isn't this what normally happens on a person/team replaces another person/team on one specific role? This is so basic that it doesn't even need mentioning.

(i dont know if this is done at ALL already but:)

since we have some otherwise COLORFUL characters in the CSM and sh*t actually seems to be getting done, that even though some of the memebrs may not get re-elected due to in-game positions and adversity among the EVE population:

every CSM the former CSM gets 1 week to more or less orientate the enw CSM in how to effectively use ther roles adn go about stuff, basically pre-training to be CSM, this sint gonna mean that a Mittani will always be replaced with a Mittani-clone, but that the CSM would be able to go over with the new CSM what methods worked and which didnt, and while that CAN be done anywyas, i figure it might help just to FORCE them to get together and talk.

then again i might be slightly tired right now due to math exams tomorrow and a lack of sleep in the last 48 hours, so if my post makes no sense or is utterly pointless, feel free to ignore the thread...

...and all the pants-on-head-ruhtarded voters put their votes into whoever will buy them candy...

I thought there weren't going to be anymore CSM elections?

main problem what i have with the elections is the fact that less than 18% of the playerbase actually voted ,
Because of these low voters turn out it can be rigged easily , hence the 2 goons in the current CSM

While I applaud what you're trying to do, explain to me how 82% of the playerbase not voting = "rigged"

So with 7000 members when even 1/2 of them vote with all their second or third account you already have a large percentage of the voters turnpout

It isn't 7000 + x, it's 7000 - x. Most goons have at least one character from each account in Goonswarm. I have 2 accounts, both accounts have 2 goons, so I show up as 4 goons, but get only 2 votes. The only accounts likely to have 0 goonswarm characters are those who need a "clean API" for spying and corp scams, which is honestly not as many as you think. Goonswarm probably controls less than 4,000 votes.

The problem isn't large nulsec voting blocs, it is the disorganization apathy of independent players. It is simple to fix. Not easy, but simple. You have all the tools you need.

1. Well before the election, have all the independent candidates agree to abide by a straw poll. The 50 or so guys that are thinking of running for CSM have a pre-election. They agree ahead of time that only the top 5 or 10 (or whatever) will officially enter the election, and the others will throw all their support behind the winners. The goal is to get the total list of candidates down to under 20, so that there is some chance average players will actually read about the candidates. A wall of 50 guys who want a free trip to Iceland is a turn off.


2. Use your combined expertise and resources to polish your message and get it out there to the eve community. Try to get popular bloggers to push one each, and explain why that one guy is a great choice for CSM.


3. Get the 80% of players who never bother to vote to pres buttan for one of your guys. Overcoming voter apathy isn't easy. You could try travelling around highsec pasting links to the voting page into local, I guess. The easier you make it to vote, the more likely people are to do it.

As long as everyone with a valid passport and some free time is competing for the non-alliance vote, even small alliances will be able to steamroll the election. You need fewer, better candidates if you want to compete. You need to reinvent party politics.

The reason why we have so few GOOD CSM members is because of the problems inherent in a multi-party system. When all the smart voters' votes are split between the good candidates, and all the pants-on-head-ruhtarded voters put their votes into whoever will buy them candy, you get pants-on-head CSM members.

what i mean by rigged is the following

Even tho i despise you Goons , i do admire the way you guys pull together i don't think there is any other alliance that can rely on a loyal core of members like the goons
So with 7000 members when even 1/2 of them vote with all their second or third account you already have a large percentage of the voters turnpout

So i am not saying your CSM delegates cheated not at all , But it is relative easy with such turnout to manipulate the results

The reason why we have so few GOOD CSM members is because of the problems inherent in a multi-party system.

Say WHAT?

what i mean by rigged is the following

Even tho i despise you Goons , i do admire the way you guys pull together i don't think there is any other alliance that can rely on a loyal core of members like the goons
So with 7000 members when even 1/2 of them vote with all their second or third account you already have a large percentage of the voters turnpout

So i am not saying your CSM delegates cheated not at all , But it is relative easy with such turnout to manipulate the results

imho, the only CSM model that can represent the entire Eve playerbase has to be based on representative boundaries.

It isn't 7000 + x, it's 7000 - x. Most goons have at least one character from each account in Goonswarm. I have 2 accounts, both accounts have 2 goons, so I show up as 4 goons, but get only 2 votes. The only accounts likely to have 0 goonswarm characters are those who need a "clean API" for spying and corp scams, which is honestly not as many as you think. Goonswarm probably controls less than 4,000 votes.

The problem isn't large nulsec voting blocs, it is the disorganization apathy of independent players. It is simple to fix. Not easy, but simple. You have all the tools you need.

1. Well before the election, have all the independent candidates agree to abide by a straw poll. The 50 or so guys that are thinking of running for CSM have a pre-election. They agree ahead of time that only the top 5 or 10 (or whatever) will officially enter the election, and the others will throw all their support behind the winners. The goal is to get the total list of candidates down to under 20, so that there is some chance average players will actually read about the candidates. A wall of 50 guys who want a free trip to Iceland is a turn off.


2. Use your combined expertise and resources to polish your message and get it out there to the eve community. Try to get popular bloggers to push one each, and explain why that one guy is a great choice for CSM.


3. Get the 80% of players who never bother to vote to pres buttan for one of your guys. Overcoming voter apathy isn't easy. You could try travelling around highsec pasting links to the voting page into local, I guess. The easier you make it to vote, the more likely people are to do it.

As long as everyone with a valid passport and some free time is competing for the non-alliance vote, even small alliances will be able to steamroll the election. You need fewer, better candidates if you want to compete. You need to reinvent party politics.

Why don't we just stop the pretense and ask those already in the CSM if they would like to continue for another year, if they say yes, then great, if not then hold elections for those empty chairs.

Why am I saying this, because if those currently in the CSM want to stay, they will.

Why will they, because they are able to gather enough block votes to stay in power.

That is not a bad thing, its just life, many would say its just politics.

The only reason the Mittani would no longer be the Chairman of the CSM is if

1. He quits

2. He severely, massively, we are talking the mother ****** of NDA breaches

3. The World comes to an end

So lets stop the messing about, the pointless threads, the wasted time in the elections and blah blah blah.