Abaddon... 1% armor resist per level...

I try to remain fairly constructive generally, but seriously what a load of bull. Remove the bonus entirely if your going to give us 5% for lvl5, give us something remotely worth having please.

Every person that was happy when they saw the ship at first got TROLLED by CCP when they actually tried to fit it to fly. It's like thinking you are getting a hot date only to find out that its with a transvestite after dinner once you peel off the dress and not swinging that way. The disappointment becomes palpable.

I have ALOT of SP in drones already, and I'm NOT going to use that crap afterward. Because who ever want to use crap?

It will be a dumb man's dominix.

It does everything a dominix can do - just worse. One less turret, one less midslot, and your drones can't apply damage nearly as well.

All in exchange for the ability to neut someone 37k instead of 25k.

No one has mentioned the utility in that extra neut range, other than to say it makes it sort of like the dragoon.

CCP, reading through this thread, we see allot of players saying you are gutting the geddon. Is this because it is a tier 1 BS?

If so then the dominix, should be gutted as well. But I thought the tiers were supposed to be going away.

I admit I have not been following the cruise missile changes very much but that fit does not sound very good at all.



No way is a 7th high slot as valuable as a 5th mid on a ship that only gets a bonus to neuts and drones. Not sure how the ability to mix 5 unbonused guns and 5 unbonused missiles is better than 6 unbonused turrets. Are you going to fit a bcu, a turret damage mod, as well as a drone damage mod in the lows?



Sure the tracking and optimal will help sentries but it will also be a huge help to heavys mediums and even lights. Heavies and mediums often track terrible even when you have a scram and web. And if you have a prop mod and a cap booster then thats the best you can get. Basically a domi with 2 webs is going to be able to do massive damage to any ship in web range. Gleddon not so much.

The increase in optimal should also help in this regard as they usually need to mwd to get in range. Being able to hit from further out also means less tracking issues.

Domi will be able to use sentries for far ranges Geddon won't.

In other words every single fight the domi will likely be applying quite a bit more damage.

Domi gets these big advantages versus being able to neut 37k instead of 25k. I'm just not seeing this as anything great. Can you give me the common examples where this range advantage will be important?

If all the highs had turrets, they had the same number of mid and low slots and the drones all had equal bonuses that would be true. But its not.

Good luck getting those heavies to do any damage on smaller ships when the pilots can just time their ab and scram based on your neuts 24 second recycle time even without a nos. And if they have a cap booster and mwd they will just laugh at your heavy drones.

I think maybe 5% range and 5% bonus to the neut cycle time would be better. You would still get over about 31k range but you would also reduce your cycle time to 18 seconds instead of 24.

Also eccm and other mods are nice to have in a midslot if you are planning to have plenty of other tackle in a fleet.

Are you never going to fight cruiser sized or smaller? Never going to fight a hac or other t2/t3 crusier?

Did the calculations take into account the 50% increase in optimal? Because the farther out you can hit the less tracking issue you have. In what way do they think the ai is flying those ogres/berserkers? Seriously on paper it seems like scram and web = heavies doing full damage on just about everything. But in practice they are often horrible.

I admit I am not sure why the heavys hit so rarely but I do know: 1) that even all but a select few frigates with a web and scram goes slower than the 900m/s an orgre goes. But the ogres/berserkers almost never hit. The ogres/berserkers often can't really even hit cruisers that well when they are scramed and webbed. So I know its not just the raw speed. Therefore they must be missing due to the ai being horrible at getting the drones to fly where they can land hits. This must be either due to them flying too far away or in a way that causes tracking issues.

[quote=Nikuno]Both are going to be addressed in the domi not in the geddon.

Our different views on this might be due to me being in low sec were battleships often have to fight smaller ships. Maybe in null sec that extra 12km on a neut will be worth the lose of a mid and the loss of trackign and optimal bonuses to your main weapon.

Yeah the ai needs work. I mean we can see that a berserker can orbit a frigate *standing still* for an entire minute and not hit it once!

Perhaps one short term thing they could do is program the ai of the drones on the dominix to orbit just 500 m wider (than typical drone ai) due to the extra optimal. This combined with the increase optimal and tracking should pretty dramatically increase damage.

Long term they may want to give the mediums and heavies longer optimals and have them generally take slightly wider orbits. If they really wanted to get good with this, they could have heavies take wider orbits against ships with sigs below cruiser size, medium sized orbits against cruisers and tight orbits for bcs and above. Mediums could do a slightly wider orbit against ships smaller than cruiser and tight against cruiser and up.

I would say the second bonuses on both these ships are pretty lackluster. But the ships as a whole may be ok.

Fair points, but notice the Mega has a 25% damage + 60% web, 2/3 of the vindi's 37.5% damage + 90% web. Using this as comparison, one could hardly say a 5% geddon would cross into the realm of the whopping 15% bhaal.

I do agree with you when you say the geddon is stepping on the dominix's toes. I think we can agree they're too similar, and could use some differentiation? Since Gallente is the primary drone race, one could argue the geddon should have a slightly lower (7.5%, maybe?) damage bonus.