The real question to ask is "do amarr BS need a buff ?"

Your comparison is pointless is they don't, because that mean that despite all the weak point you listed, the strong points you ocluded are strong enough to compensate !

Look at the damn whole picture please !

That is homogenisation : when all things are equal everywhere with different colors. That's not balance.

By the way, I've noticed that a lot of folks are complaining that cap hull (or role?) bonuses are going away.

I understand the reason people are complaining about this - because Amarr have cap usage issues. But in my opinion cap usage bonuses are a band-aid covering up a more fundamental problem with the race.

Cap usage bonuses SHOULD go away, because it is wasting a bonus that other races get 'for free.' That bonus should rightfully be a damage bonus, a range bonus, a tracking bonus, whatever. Instead, we get a bonus that lets us fit and use our weapon. "Yee-ha, whoop-tee do!"

Bottom line - SUPPORT removing cap usage bonuses, and also support fixing the fundamental problem, which is why such bonuses have to exist in the first place.

Two questions, if you don't mind : Your numbers show that the Abaddon already have the best cap regen, and the second best cap pool of former tier3 BS. Why would it need more ?

And secondly, where did you picked these numbers ? Why not "14000 / 1000s / 14.00" for example ?

You are actually caught on the idea that the Abaddon is bad. The problem is that it is a wrong idea. The Abaddon is not bad, hence, it doesn't need a buff.

Yes, capacitor is hard on amarr ships, yet, does that make them bad ? I wait for an argumented answer.

You guys are way too focused on capacitor, it's an obsession.

Capacitor is not everything, even on amarr ships. It's important, yes, but if that was so critical, you could just use standard lens and enjoy a happy cap stable fit.

So now, please, just bring *comprehensive evidence* to support your crusade for cap stable amarr ships. And no, spewing cap number alone is not an evidence.

Taking the Larges only here. Though the Mediums & Smalls need similar & larger reductions, same as the large turrets do.
Mega. 3.0 Multipler / 9.0 Sec rate of fire. 1/3rd* per second.
Rail. 3.025/9.56. 0.316* per second.
Tachyon. 4.5/12. 0.375* per second.
When you take the ROF into account, they come out much closer together, with the Rail having the longest range of them all. And requiring less than 25% of the Cap of the Tachyon. (I'm not sure how the Lasers requiring tripple the cap of the Rails is 'Parity' btw.... have I failed at maths.)
Additionally the Tachyon requires crazy amounts more fitting than the rails. For..... (0.375/0.316) 18% more. It's a nice 18% more sure. That might need a little tweak so that Tachyons are laser alpha while mega's are fast firing for their DPS.

But the current (After Odyssey) stats do not balance at all with these numbers.

Yeah, I guess part of the drawback to so much active participation in the thread earlier is that now people worry we are gone.

We aren't gone. Fozzie and Ytterbium and I have been talking about the battleships almost every day still. After our last round of reviews we still feel that Amarr is likely in the best place it can be for Odyssey. We will keep watching closely as everything heads to sisi and if more adjustments are needed we will make them.

well, once I removed Mega Beams from your list since Tachyon's are the laser equivalent to 425 Rails, you will see that there is still parity, as your Rails still have more Optimal and Falloff, and cost less then 25% for activation cost. I also note that you deliberately left out the CPU and PG statistics, as this would only even more prove that Tachyons are balanced (and in most Laser user's justified opinion, overly so) in regards to 425 rails. Now, if you don't like how your 425 Rails work, then make your own thread for it, don't clutter this thread up which is meant for the Amarr Battleships.

I obviously haven't looked at the Nav Harb on test server yet, but the Nav Omen is actually cap stable perma-running it's 4 lasers by themselves with nothing fitted to help it's cap, so they actually balanced it's cap properly.

(hint hint WTF Abaddon?)