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Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
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Posted - 2013.04.09 11:34:00 -
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THE ORCA IS DEAD!! FURTHER PROOF EVE IS DYING!!!
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Gallamoth Sickle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:37:00 -
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http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Orca_Guide <-----you can see here the math is about 25% but this is still a bit low
(2.5%x3)*4=30%boost and you can add in an implant link boost its not much more so at perfect it still takes 4 mining ships to be worth the orca to use
becasue 30x3 is 90 and the 4 pushes it over 100% becasue some of the same leader SKILLS that you guys are figuring into the orca boost can be given by a pilot with the same skills flying a mining ship as the leader
all of you just regurgitate each others beliefes with out doing any of the math ur selves |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
86
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:1) the orca can hold ANY ship.
2) the orca can refit ANY ship.
it is the only reason i feel temptation every time that power of two deal is on the go.
mobile ******* base.
freelance space bum |
Gallamoth Sickle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:42:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Gallamoth Sickle wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Orca is amazing, learn to play. HEY LOOK GUYS MY FIRST TROLL!! SOMEONE TAKE A PICTURE the poster provides neither knowledge nor understanding so we profit nothing from this useless troll.....but hey where would be without idiots to hold us intelligent people up on their shoulders? Haulie Berry wrote:Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
no im not cause what your doing in your math is figuring implants and mining directer on the orca side but not on the hulk side well a hulk pilot can give some of those same basic leader boosts to his squad that your figurering for orca and not hulk squad leader so your still wrong and the fact that you cant type out the math equation to prove it makes me think your more wrong than you know
You want all in? Fine. We'll go all in. All 5 skills, 2x MLU II, 3 modulated strips, 5 mining drones, T2 mining crystals, Michi's, and MX-1005 yield: 2111 With a max skill pilot in another Hulk acting as FC: 2282 That, plus an orca yields: 3305 2282 * 3 = 6846 3305 * 2 = 6610 + 312 (because if you're going to be a **** about it, the Orca can field a flight of drones too): 6922 6922 > 6846. In conclusion: You're still bad at this game. You're still bad at math. I see (and am not too surprised) that the OP has disappeared since Haulie's last maths proof post.... OP, I think you owe Haulie an apology!!!!!
you dont have to figure out what a pefect hulk mines WHY WOULD IT MATTER the orca boost a percent of the base mining yield of the whatever mining ship is mining it doesnt boost after you stack all upgrades onto whatever mining vessel ur talking about. the Orca boosts about 33% of fleet base mining amount so the fact that you rambling on about what a hulk pilot mines as if that has anything to do with what the orca boosts means your a complete idiot |
celebro
Perpetuum Industries
60
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:07:00 -
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When in mining fleet belt rats always go for my orca, lol 
Like I said hulk/covetor should have a fleet role bonus, mining fleets are not done afk, something that separates us from all those afk miners out there, |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
299
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:07:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Orca is amazing, learn to play.
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Haulie Berry
364
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:10:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
you dont have to figure out what a pefect hulk mines WHY WOULD IT MATTER the orca boost a percent of the base mining yield of the whatever mining ship is mining it doesnt boost after you stack all upgrades onto whatever mining vessel ur talking about. the Orca boosts about 33% of fleet base mining amount so the fact that you rambling on about what a hulk pilot mines as if that has anything to do with what the orca boosts means your a complete idiot
Quote:all of you just regurgitate each others beliefes with out doing any of the math ur selves
You're citing an article that was written before the advent of T2 link modules, while accusing others of "regurgitating".
Here comes the clue train, last stop is you:
Since you didn't actually do the math, and instead relied on an outdated article, your numbers are wrong. |
Gallamoth Sickle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:47:00 -
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HERE IS THE PROOF UR ALL A BUCH OF RETARDS!!!
Mining Forman Link II = -2.5% cycle time or (.025)
Mining Forman Mind ILink = +50% or (.5)
Mining Dirrector (lvl 4) = +400% to mining link moduals or ( 4 )
so here is the equation
((.025*4.5))*3=.3375 or 33.75%
The breakdown because you are still too stupid to understand
.025*4.5 (mining forman link 2 x mining forman mind link bonus + the mining dirrector bonus (450%)) = .1125 or 11.25%
.1125*3 (11.25% boost per mining forman link II modual x 3 moduals)=.3375 or 33.75% boost to mining ships in squad
.3375x3=1.0125 or 100.125%
meaning you need orca + 3 mining ships or 4 accounts total to be getting 1.25% more boost than you would using 4 mining ships by them selves....
so 4 accounts any less your wasting your time  |
vyshnegradsky
Pentag Blade
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
68
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:02:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:HERE IS THE PROOF I AM ******!!!Mining Forman Link II = -2.5% cycle time or (.025) Mining Forman Mind ILink = +50% or (.5) Mining Dirrector (lvl 4) = +400% to mining link moduals or ( 4 ) so here is the equation (.025*4.5)*3=.3375 or 33.75% The breakdown because you are still too stupid to understand.025*4.5 (mining forman link 2 x mining forman mind link bonus + the mining dirrector bonus (450%)) = .1125 or 11.25% .1125*3 (11.25% boost per mining forman link II modual x 3 moduals)=.3375 or 33.75% boost to mining ships in squad .3375x3=1.0125 or 100.125% meaning you need orca + 3 mining ships or 4 accounts total to be getting 1.25% more boost than you would using 4 mining ships by them selves.... so 4 accounts any less your wasting your time
fixed for you
This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |
Haulie Berry
367
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:05:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:HERE IS THE PROOF UR ALL A BUCH OF RETARDS!!!
Mining Forman Link II = -2.5% cycle time or (.025)
Mining Forman Mind ILink = +50% or (.5)
Mining Dirrector (lvl 4) = +400% to mining link moduals or ( 4 )
so here is the equation
((.025*4.5))*3=.3375 or 33.75%
The breakdown because you are still too stupid to understand
.025*4.5 (mining forman link 2 x mining forman mind link bonus + the mining dirrector bonus (450%)) = .1125 or 11.25%
.1125*3 (11.25% boost per mining forman link II modual x 3 moduals)=.3375 or 33.75% boost to mining ships in squad
.3375x3=1.0125 or 100.125%
meaning you need orca + 3 mining ships or 4 accounts total to be getting 1.25% more boost than you would using 4 mining ships by them selves....
so 4 accounts any less your wasting your time
You know how I keep saying "You're bad at math"?
This is what I'm talking about. Here, let me fix your **** ups.
Step by step:
The base is 2.5%. Mining director 5 will give us a 400% bonus
2.5 * 5 (or 400%) = 12.5%
Warfare link specialist will give us a an additional 50%:
12.5% * 1.5 = 18.75
Ind. Comm will give us another 15%
18.75% * 1.15 = 21.5625%
And our implant will add 50% for a total of 21.5625 * 1.5 = 32.34375%.
That's the duration bonus - not the 33.75% you came up with, math pro.
You're making two further errors:
The first, and most important:
You are multiplying the yield by 1+bonus to get the bonused yield.
This is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. WROOOOOOOONG.
It is a DURATION bonus, so the calculation is:
BonusedYieldPerMinute = BaseYieldPerMinute / (1-bonus)
Which, in this case, comes out to:
BaseYield / (0.6766)
A 32.34% bonus to DURATION is, mathematically, a 47.8% bonus to YIELD. You're treating it like it is a direct bonus to yield, but it isn't.
The second thing you are doing incorrectly is ignoring the fact that the leadership bonus and the link bonus stack multiplicatively. We're still getting another 15% bonus from the Mining foreman skill replacement value of the mining foreman mindlink.
So our aggregate bonus to strip miner yield per minute is 1.15 * 1.478 = 1.6997.
In conclusion:
Well... y'know.  |
Dave Stark
2508
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:12:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:maths so terrible newton, pythagoras, and many other great scholars turn in their grave and pray the OP never breeds.
the cycle time bonus is roughly ~0.323. or 32.3%
this means a yield increase of 1/(1-0.323). that is ~ 1.478.
this means that the cylce time gang link alone is a 47.8% boost in yield, before we factor in the 5% bonus from the mind link. once we do that the total yield increase is 54.5%.
now, if you'd be kind enough to realise 1.54*2 > 3, we can stop this before you get so much egg on your face we mistake you for an omelette.
Maggie Thatcher. |
Haulie Berry
368
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Gallamoth Sickle wrote:maths so terrible newton, pythagoras, and many other great scholars turn in their grave and pray the OP never breeds. the cycle time bonus is roughly ~0.323. or 32.3% this means a yield increase of 1/(1-0.323). that is ~ 1.478. this means that the cylce time gang link alone is a 47.8% boost in yield, before we factor in the 5% yield bonus from the mind link. once we do that the total yield increase is 54.5%. now, if you'd be kind enough to realise 1.54*2 > 3, we can stop this before you get so much egg on your face we mistake you for an omelette.
Yeah, good luck with that one. The OP has progressed to sending me angry emails insisting he's correct, so he is probably a lost cause.  |
Dave Stark
2510
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:24:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Gallamoth Sickle wrote:maths so terrible newton, pythagoras, and many other great scholars turn in their grave and pray the OP never breeds. the cycle time bonus is roughly ~0.323. or 32.3% this means a yield increase of 1/(1-0.323). that is ~ 1.478. this means that the cylce time gang link alone is a 47.8% boost in yield, before we factor in the 5% yield bonus from the mind link. once we do that the total yield increase is 54.5%. now, if you'd be kind enough to realise 1.54*2 > 3, we can stop this before you get so much egg on your face we mistake you for an omelette. Yeah, good luck with that one. The OP has progressed to sending me angry emails insisting he's correct, so he is probably a lost cause.
please.
post them.
Maggie Thatcher. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:51:00 -
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I think this thread should be renamed "R.I.P. OP" as that is clearly what has happened. :) |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:54:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:HERE IS THE PROOF UR ALL A BUNCH OF RETARDS!!!]
The whole world is wrong and I'm right QQQQQQQQ.
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Dave Stark
2512
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:28:00 -
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i have come to the conclusion that the OP should be dressed in motley and brought out at public functions for our entertainment.
Maggie Thatcher. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:34:00 -
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Just saw some of the OPs hate messages he has sent to Haulie. LOL! |
Dave Stark
2513
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:46:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Just saw some of the OPs hate messages he has sent to Haulie. LOL!
as have i :)
comedy gold.
Maggie Thatcher. |
Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
1984
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Posted - 2013.04.09 23:54:00 -
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Gallamoth Sickle wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Orca is amazing, learn to play. HEY LOOK GUYS MY FIRST TROLL!! SOMEONE TAKE A PICTURE the poster provides neither knowledge nor understanding so we profit nothing from this useless troll.....but hey where would be without idiots to hold us intelligent people up on their shoulders?
I'd rather say you are wrong and we don't need to tell you why. It's rather emberrasing that you spent time writing it.  And no, your not intelligent at all. By the looks of your post, you havent even reached puberty. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3159
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Posted - 2013.04.10 00:42:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Just saw some of the OPs hate messages he has sent to Haulie. LOL!
Can I get in on this potential for hilarity?
I can trade some spergy stalker-mails of my own
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
87
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Posted - 2013.04.10 01:29:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Yeah, good luck with that one. The OP has progressed to sending me angry emails insisting he's correct, so he is probably a lost cause.
It's not our job to make the OP as profitable as possible. He asked the question, we answered, and he's too mathematically inept to understand our response. It's out of our hands now.
/wouldn't mind seeing the emails either
//if only the worlds demand for stupid was as abundant as the supply |
Dave Stark
2515
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Posted - 2013.04.10 06:56:00 -
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enjoy :)
Maggie Thatcher. |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
88
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Posted - 2013.04.10 07:17:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:enjoy :)
holy balls...after reading that....makes brain the dumb hurt
There's really one one thing I can do at this point, and that's link to the perfect youtube video. Or the other perfect youtube video.
At this point he's either a very successful troll, or he's getting ready for his rewarding career in ditch digging, sign spinning (human directional), or professional basketball. |
Dave Stark
2515
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Posted - 2013.04.10 07:29:00 -
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some thing tells me right now he should be in his 9am maths lesson, then he might come back more enlightened.
aaand then i woke up.
Maggie Thatcher. |
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
84
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Posted - 2013.04.10 10:12:00 -
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Ok.
I think this point has been made.
ISD Gallifreyan
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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