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Deus Vex
Dark Falcon Operations
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:12:00 -
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Bring forth the upcoming new geddon :D |
Omen Nihilo
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.04.20 01:09:00 -
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Battleships in solo/small gang pvp are underpowered no matter where you goGÇöw-space and k-space. I think if CCP rebalances them to make them viable again in solo/small gang pvp then they might see a resurgence in w-space. |
Frothgar
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.04.20 16:29:00 -
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First person going to Fanfest to ask/get a CCP comment about
"Any thoughts about making battleships a more viable ship type in wormholes? Mass limits mean you can bring only 10ish of them if you want to come back home vs 100+ Tech 3 cruisers"
I'll give 250mil ISK to.
If a Dev wants to just comment about it, I'll donate said ISK to a person or group (eve uni) of their choice.
Post said Comment in the Wormhole forum or this thread to claim your ISK.
For those commenting on Balance. Thats a secondary issue. Balance is making the BS an attractive ship to fly (which is why I want to use them in the first place) Mass limitations alone mean its just not an option. |
Calexis Atredies
Jazz Associates
Azgoths of Kria
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:14:00 -
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I quite like where BS are at the moment, WH mass restrictions means you have to be careful with what you bring with. The BS isnt really in the DPS role in this case but more its utility, T3's are better for making up the bulk of the dps platforms due to their tanking profile and respectible damage output (Legion fleet is best WH fleet). BS on the other hand take on the "utlity role" by this I mean effects like neuting from Bhaal's or jamming from Widows.
Black Ops are one of the coolest ships to have in your hole seeing as Black Ops bridging onto targets in nullsec from the entrance to your wormhole gives the enemy 0 warning. Most of the time the scouts they position in bottleneck systems are made obsolete by the spawn location of your wormhole.
Don't be too disheartneded by not seeing the BS taking a leading role in wormholes, though they are not the fleet main battle line they are still incredibly important. |
Scilent Enigma
Cosmology
Deadly Unknown
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Posted - 2013.04.20 20:21:00 -
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Reading this thread somehow made my brain hickup and give me an idea, (mind you, it's probarbly bad but when my brain hickups, well, might as well get it out rather than lookin like I have to pass gas)...
The problem:
BS mass is too great to be viable in WH ops.
Not so good idea that what I think is my brain came up with:
Script the microjumpdrive, without script it works the same as now, but with the script "Wormhole Attunement" (copyright and trademark registration pending, or not) activating the MJD with a WH on grid within reasonable range will let the BS pass through leaving only the mass footprint of a BC on the WH.
There.. sorry about that, feels so much better now.. please feel free to ignore... |
Frothgar
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.04.21 16:41:00 -
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^^^^^
Thats actually a pretty cool idea since it has a blob restricting cooldown. |
chris elliot
EG CORP
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.04.21 18:34:00 -
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CCP does not like multipurpose modules though. It is a good idea though but doubtful they would do it without having to make another module. |
Sum Olgy
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.04.21 22:40:00 -
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Saw a guy with 2 SB fit Scorps camping a C5/C2 the other day.
I've seen enough Bhaals recently to know they're still in use.
BS's are still viable for PvE, just not optimal.
Back in the day we all trained Amarr BS and large lasers - many POS's would still be alive today if we hadn't... And yes then came the Tier 3 BC adn all that stopped.
I'd say they're still around - perhaps the majority of people who are commenting here have been there, done that adn seen the (better skilled) light? |
Hoodie Mafia
Boris Johnson's Love Children
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:10:00 -
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I honestly think we will see a lot of armageddons used in fights where there was no intentions to use the hole for capitals.
While they might be less effective than Bhaalgorns and in some cases even more effective due to the stupid range they will get on heavy neuts, they only cost a fraction of what a Bhaalgorn costs and therefore can be committed to a fight a lot easier |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:47:00 -
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Scilent Enigma wrote:Reading this thread somehow made my brain hickup and give me an idea, (mind you, it's probarbly bad but when my brain hickups, well, might as well get it out rather than lookin like I have to pass gas)... The problem: BS mass is too great to be viable in WH ops. Not so good idea that what I think is my brain came up with: Script the microjumpdrive, without script it works the same as now, but with the script "Wormhole Attunement" (copyright and trademark registration pending, or not) activating the MJD with a WH on grid within reasonable range will let the BS pass through leaving only the mass footprint of a BC on the WH. There.. sorry about that, feels so much better now.. please feel free to ignore...
Great idea, but how about this tweak: MJD reduces mass during the spool-up time, for the same reason as HIC bubble, so it's easier to bump the battleship out of alignment? No scripts needed, just a little copypasta from the bubble mod.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Untanas Volmyr
Running with Knives
Nexus Fleet
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:59:00 -
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Its a battleship. It should be a machine built for war. Maybe people just aren't fitting them right. To soon to mention a DBB? |
Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.26 13:42:00 -
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Untanas Volmyr wrote:Its a battleship. It should be a machine built for war. Maybe people just aren't fitting them right. To soon to mention a DBB?
The problem is that even if you fit a BS purely for tank 'n' gank it's not a good choice in a WH. For example, a Tech II fit Sleipnir costs about 40% more than a Tech II Tempest. It does 80% of the Tempest's DPS, and has 70% of the EHP. Sounds good for the Tempest, but there's the other side - the Sleip is 35-40% faster, has only 70% of the sig radius, and 2.2 times the sensor resolution. Thus it locks faster, is harder to lock (and harder to scan down with combat probes), dictates range and is better at getting on and off grid, and takes considerably less damage once locked.
Overall the Sleip delivers its damage better, and takes a good deal less damage in the process, making it easier for the logis to rep, and thus harder for the enemy to break the gang's remote tank through raw DPS. On top of all that, a Sleip is only 1/8th the mass of a Tempest, so you can hop back and forth through WHs without much fear of collapsing them, whereas a Tempest fleet has to be careful and always watching a WHs remaining capacity.
The result is that battleships are marginally useful for system defence and minimally useful for anything that requires leaving your system. They are useful for crashing holes, though.
The funny thing is that low-end WHs have a per-transit limit low enough that you can't fit battleships through them, but T3s and command ships fit fine, and yet the latter are far more useful than the former for almost everything.
EDIT: On top of all that, Sleips and T3 aren't tied to their logis by remote cap chains, either. |
EndersChild
Anomalous Existence
Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:42:00 -
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Roime wrote:Scilent Enigma wrote:Reading this thread somehow made my brain hickup and give me an idea, (mind you, it's probarbly bad but when my brain hickups, well, might as well get it out rather than lookin like I have to pass gas)... The problem: BS mass is too great to be viable in WH ops. Not so good idea that what I think is my brain came up with: Script the microjumpdrive, without script it works the same as now, but with the script "Wormhole Attunement" (copyright and trademark registration pending, or not) activating the MJD with a WH on grid within reasonable range will let the BS pass through leaving only the mass footprint of a BC on the WH. There.. sorry about that, feels so much better now.. please feel free to ignore... Great idea, but how about this tweak: MJD reduces mass during the spool-up time, for the same reason as HIC bubble, so it's easier to bump the battleship out of alignment? No scripts needed, just a little copypasta from the bubble mod.
Or a new script for the Field Generator that has a remote mass reduction effect to all sub-cap ships within the bubble. This could even be a side-effect to a non-scripted HIC bubble. Would make the safe feeling of a crit hole a little more interesting if the number of already low mass ships getting in has been increased
Likely too easy to exploit, low class hole ship mass limit being an obvious one
Would still be good to get the BS as a viable class option in WH's, so some mass reducing mechanic is needed
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