the issue with BSs in WHs is not really mass, it's that they get absolutely obliterated by dreads and T2/T3 cruiser fleets.
note that this isnt a bad thing as such, just how it is.
BSs are designed to shoot BC and larger targets which they do quite well. unfortunately for them, WHs are not the best place to find large targets to shoot.

Battleships in EVE have tons of drawbacks and few if any advantages

mass: obvious
speed/agility: very low, except for a few battleships which are not really battleships except in name (Macha going 3 km/s lol)

Now that is not a problem as those are natural characteristics you'd expect in a battleship. But what do they have to show for it?

tank: much worse than t3 cruisers and even some bait cruiser fits
damage: only slightly higher than many smaller ships, and that only on paper

So the problem is that many small ships, defying any common sense, have ridiculous amounts of raw armor/shield hp, with better resists on top and the agility and speed of a cruiser. There is no way battleships could compete here except for pricing, which is relatively unimportant in w-space.

A few random ideas for improving them:
-give BS massive buffer (like 400k+ ehp in a balanced combat fitting)
-but make it so that they are hard to support with active reps or logistics by lowering/capping their resists (think of 400k raw hitpoints with 0% resists (and low shield recharge) as an extreme example)
-give them a much larger cap reserve, but very bad regen

Result: A massive battle fortress capable of withstanding heavy punishment for a long time, but almost impossible to sustain once its reserves have been depleted in a prolonged battle.

Even then, BS would need some special capability they can bring to the battlefield which helps other, smaller ships. some kind of force-multiplying module with non-stacking effect.

It's called a dreadnought with deactivated siege and offline DCU.

With the battleship tiericide hitting, I'd like to take a moment to ask CCP and really any WH based CSM to take up the cause to bring some love of battleships back to W-space.

Current prices make me think more T3s need to explode.

What I'd like to see is an expansion on the T3 line of modular ships to include Frigates and Battleships.

as a guy with too much money who likes flying expensive pimpmobiles i would also be happy to see more T3 hulls. but. balancing them is an inherent disaster. let's face it: battleships are not really suitable to do anything other than, well, battle. there are only so many subsystems with specialized purpose that you can implement and expect to be used. then there is still the price issue. for some reason there are still people who don't understand how more expensive ships need to be better for people to fly them.

you might get what you want soon. but not how you want it....most devs are not too keen on the power of T3s. soon they will get nerfed and your one bs might seem decent compared to 5 tengus.


about the off topic part. i dont think t3 battleships are comming soon if ever but tech3 battlecruisers? yes.

I think that is part of the reason to split the skill up to each race. to help intertwine a tech 3 battlecruiser line.


if they are to do that and have them cost 3 to 4 times in resources as a tech 3 cruiser then they might need to expand wh space too. something id love


lets get some class7 and 8 holes!

If there is anything people like in an MMO it's being able to customize something. Price notwithstanding.

Strat cruisers are in a pretty good place right now. The Tengu has fallen out of favor some since the HML nerf. But otherwise the popularity for T3's is pretty good.

T3 battleships. Mmm. More customizable goodness. Plus it would make nullsec flip a lid, and start dumping money into our pockets and invading W-space giving us more things to shoot at.

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what's the point of customization if everyone "customizes" the same subsystems? when was the last time you saw a rail tengu or a ham legion? and how long did you laugh at the guy for flying this waste of nanoribbons? and that's not even taking into account the relation between T3s and HACs/command ships.
i understand and approve CCPs reluctance to open another can of worms like that, though it pains me to admit it.

[quote=Frothgar]I'm half surprised CCP didn't add the option for alliances to specify a voting sheet: log in and one-click to vote the way your alliance dictates.

The problem isn't people not changing up T3s, it's that many of the alternative fits just don't work, like a drone proteus. The laser Legion isn't very good. A rail Tengu just lacks in any offensive capibilities but that's because of rails themselves.

not very good in comparison to what? to the other subsystems? or other comparable ships? by this logic, there can only be one 'good' option; the one that performs best. this is the essence of the current balance issues between T3s and HACs and expanding these issues to frigates and battleships won't help anyone.

Jack nailed it, BS's are not used in fleets because dreads murder them.

They are nerfing dread tracking a little (through the tracking module nerf) so lets see what that does.

Jack nailed it, BS's are not used in fleets because dreads murder them.

They are nerfing dread tracking a little (through the tracking module nerf) so lets see what that does.

Reading this thread somehow made my brain hickup and give me an idea, (mind you, it's probarbly bad but when my brain hickups, well, might as well get it out rather than lookin like I have to pass gas)...

The problem:
BS mass is too great to be viable in WH ops.

Not so good idea that what I think is my brain came up with:
Script the microjumpdrive, without script it works the same as now, but with the script "Wormhole Attunement" (copyright and trademark registration pending, or not) activating the MJD with a WH on grid within reasonable range will let the BS pass through leaving only the mass footprint of a BC on the WH.

There.. sorry about that, feels so much better now.. please feel free to ignore...

Its a battleship. It should be a machine built for war. Maybe people just aren't fitting them right. To soon to mention a DBB?

Great idea, but how about this tweak: MJD reduces mass during the spool-up time, for the same reason as HIC bubble, so it's easier to bump the battleship out of alignment? No scripts needed, just a little copypasta from the bubble mod.