There may be some actions that CCP can take to help with this, but mainly I think it is a question of the player community policing itself. These sorts of dangerous carebears need to be identified, publicly called out, and persecuted with every means available to us, be it wardecs, AWOXing, suicide ganking, or other, more innovative methods. Every responsible EVE player should consider it their duty to help purge these individuals from the game.

The average new player is overexposed to dangerous carebears and their game-killing ideas.

What I found ironic in that 'other' thread was the anti-carebears insisting that the tutorial hand-hold new players through all aspects of the game including Low Sec (a part which would not work at all for obvious reasons).

What I found ironic in that 'other' thread was the anti-carebears insisting that the tutorial hand-hold new players through all aspects of the game including Low Sec (a part which would not work at all for obvious reasons).

Most of the fun early on for me was having to figure things out on my own and even find out about them by encountering them, then investigating.

They cry so loudly about not wanting EVE to be a theme-park, but that thread yesterday was about making EVE into anything but a Sandbox.

How on earth do you say the general feeling in that thread - i.e. that new players need to get a fuller impression of what is possible in EVE right from the start (even absolute newbies can have fun in low and null, and make isk there, after all) - is the opposite of the sandbox mantra? The attitude expressed in that thread supports the sandbox, it's a desire to emphasise the sandbox nature to new players from day one. That was the entire point of the thread for crying out loud. How could you miss the mark so very much?

Though the nature of the tutorials and game itself limit what can be done in those initial few hours, and simply saying "make the tutorial lead new players into a lowsec system" is far too simplistic, and may not accomplish the goal of properly introducing them to the other aspects of the game at all anyway

and some sort of forum mod please lock my post I think i may have started something bad up again -_-

and some sort of forum mod please lock my post I think i may have started something bad up again -_-

I've played EVE long enough to know those folks who were posting just want to harass newbies even more than they already do....thus the stalking horse of the thread was to get them into Low Sec.

I disagree with those accusations. I see them as honestly just wanting newbies to be given a more well rounded impression of what is possible, and what the game is like. The overwhelming impression you get if you sit in newbie and recruitment channels is that lowsec and nullsec are quite inaccessible to new players and that's just wrong and needs challenging. If you want to argue about whether or not this is the impression newbies get, or if it's a fair impression to give, then go ahead, but don't make dishonest statements about it being some covert attempt to harass new players.

Its true that many of the threads in these forums demonstrate a distinction between viewpoints. I often find it the most telling that the highsec haters are more than happy to have people leave the game. This demonstrates that they care more about their own niche and opinion than they do the continued health and growth of EvE as a whole.

EvE is a great game for the very reason that it allows gameplay styles from all walks of life. From the hardcore highsec carebear industrialist that never undocks, to the hardcore pirate scumbag only looking to harvest the tears of his victims. The highsec haters believe that their style of gameplay is the only style, and that everyone should, or should eventually, play the game for exactly the same reason as them. They are wrong, regardless of how many times they scream "PvP only game!" why blasting defenceless targets to atoms.

People should be open and accepting that EvE caters for different people. Its one of the best aspects that sets it aside from other games. It's a true sandbox! The players that are more than willing, even eager, to see people leave that don't fit their mindset are selfish in the extreme. They are more interested in their own gameplay than the continued growth and development of the game.

This is Eve is and has been that way since I started playing in 2003. As much as it has changed, the fact that many new players simply quit the game because it's not linear enough for them, has remained unchanged.