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Gift	Posted - 2005.09.13 21:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Quanteeri This is simply the reciprocal of the "Help Noobs Catch Up" argument. Can't say I would support either one. hit the nail on the head there, as much as I'ld love it. I vote no.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2005.09.13 21:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints! Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month. So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over... What ya think? Am I crazy? :\ Just because your poor judgement means that you have to do more work now. Doesnt mean you should be given a chance to undo your mistakes. I'm caldari, but have I retrained in other races due to missile nerfs? HELL no! im not an idiot. I just train up the relevant skills in order to improve what I already have. You can train skills in whatever field you like, stop whining for a shortcut way of doing things. As.. when someone who has trained several million skill points in caldari race specific technologies suddenly switches those skillpoints into an amarr character to use bloody huge lasers on your ass, you will be whining again to not allow skill point interchangability. If I study Biology, that doesnt make me an expert in Physics overnight, neither should you be able to do the same in the eve universe
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2005.09.13 22:08:00 - [33] Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints! Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month. So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over... What ya think? Am I crazy? :\ Just because your poor judgement means that you have to do more work now. Doesnt mean you should be given a chance to undo your mistakes. I'm caldari, but have I retrained in other races due to missile nerfs? HELL no! im not an idiot. I just train up the relevant skills in order to improve what I already have. You can train skills in whatever field you like, stop whining for a shortcut way of doing things. As.. when someone who has trained several million skill points in caldari race specific technologies suddenly switches those skillpoints into an amarr character to use bloody huge lasers on your ass, you will be whining again to not allow skill point interchangability. If I study Biology, that doesnt make me an expert in Physics overnight, neither should you be able to do the same in the eve universe says the guy who has played for a whole 3 months. I am sure you know all about how it was back in the days... and why would i care if i get killed by lasers instead of missiles? besides, I think its bed time for you... "We brake for nobody"
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.09.13 22:11:00 - [34] I'd go for no. But if, it had to happen, losing half of the skillpoints and only being able to transfer them to skills in the same category should suffice... -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Auroris Vodalion	Posted - 2005.09.13 23:17:00 - [35] you are asking something like "Please, I didn¦t think before training skills, let me turn back time now" sorry - but in life - virtual or real - this is not possible. please use your brain accordingly next time.
Kaarh Tar	Posted - 2005.09.13 23:21:00 - [36] Auroria if you dont know what you are talking about dont speak.Have you been playing this gae from first month after release? Do you know how it looked? The perfect choices then are terrible now necause the game changed tottaly.
Auroris Vodalion	Posted - 2005.09.13 23:28:00 - [37] Edited by: Auroris Vodalion on 13/09/2005 23:32:20 Originally by: Kaarh Tar Auroria if you dont know what you are talking about dont speak.Have you been playing this gae from first month after release? Do you know how it looked? The perfect choices then are terrible now necause the game changed tottaly. created my account within the 1st week - anymore questions ? I made my choices based on character advancement and not by forum threads and flavour of the month - now i smile and sit back :) all gallente ship skills level 5 / no other races ships 7 M SP in Gunnery with only Hybrid weapons and Blaster Specialisation (small = 5, med and large = 4)
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.09.14 00:24:00 - [38] Originally by: Deja Thoris When I started training for a zealot I trained CALDARI cruiser 27% of the way to lvl V before I realised and switched to amarr. Absolutely PRICELESS -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.09.14 00:28:00 - [39] NEVER! Would ruin the game and no to tired to tell you noobs why
Rthor	Posted - 2005.09.14 00:55:00 - [40] When I just from megathron to taranis I lose 5M skill points at least. When I jump from taranis to megathron I gain 5 million but lose 1 million. You never use all your skillpoints so having 500K or 5M even in something else does not mean anything.

Ecnav	Posted - 2005.09.14 00:57:00 - [41] id love to see a skill manager so that i dont have to sign on to train a pesky little skill. instead you set it up, and it trains FOREVER!!!
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.09.14 01:22:00 - [42] "Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month. So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over..." ... I don't think i understand. You spent some of your skill points to be good when certain flavour of the month was good. Then you spend some more on another flavour of the month, to still be good. And then some more on another. And then some more on another. You used your skill points to be continually on top of the food chain. You had a good, useful character throughout the existence of the game, paying with skill points for it. And now your character is still good, and the different specialization branches are made more even. What exactly is the problem? Unless you're asking to be allowed to pretty much funnel all skill points you no longer use, into what you perceive to be current 'flavour of the month' ... and then will cry in couple months about how your character is broken and demand another 'one-time-only reskill' ... because you have all skill points you gathered over years invested into something that is no longer "uber"..? o.O;
OffBeaT	Posted - 2005.09.14 01:35:00 - [43] i wont cry for being able too change my skill points around but i will ***** at my atts that where setup in the past when i first made this guy. befor the ew nerf and these stupit skills put in place for ew, i was a jammer and fought well as one. now that my atts are all rong for thouse type of skills it will take a dogs age for me too cap ew skills with mem at 8 and int 10. so now i wont my right too rework these atts so they will faver my jamming skills that i didnt have too worry about in the begining of this character. too me this would be a fair thing for ccp too do..
zukra	Posted - 2005.09.14 01:41:00 - [44] i might support this if you had to click an up or down arrow for each skill point you wanted to add or remove.
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.09.14 02:32:00 - [45] Consider your skill points like an education. You get to college, decide you want to be a Professional Potato masher, you train for 5 years, get your bachelor in potato studies and leave school the top of your field. Youre living life high, getting paid billions a week, win a nobel peace prize for your revolutionary new potato pealer... then all of a sudden, the market drops out of the potato industry. Everyone stops eating potatos, you struggle to find work, youre poor. You cant now turn round and reinvest those 5 years of your life into new qualifications(Cabbage slicing and the market has shot up on them) youre stuck with what youve got, you adapt or you die out. Live with it, adapt, retrain. Its how the real world works Its how eve works And it shouldnt be changed.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2005.09.14 02:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock snip says the guy who has played for a whole 3 months. I am sure you know all about how it was back in the days... and why would i care if i get killed by lasers instead of missiles? besides, I think its bed time for you... Dont make me laugh. 3 months yes, and I appear to have more of a grasp of how to treat the great nerf bat than yourself. I make no secrecy of my newbie status. You however seem to think because your the equivalent of the 65yr old factory line worker (been 'ere from the beginning, will be here till its death) in eve, that it instantly grants you newbiebashing rights. Your wrong mate. You clearly have made some erroneous judgements in the past and they've come to bite you in the arse, so I suggest that you actually start making correct decisions, and training to make up for what you lack. There is no need to swap skillpoints between items, just train more. If your that tired of training just take a break, or leave. Everyone makes mistakes, the difference is that most of us here try to undo them off our own back, not whinge about changing a fundamental part of the game. As for facing lasers or missiles? well.. considering the amount of whining going on about the missile nerfs and the stealth raven nerfs, these people clearly do not have the "i win" button they used to have, however Lasers are not affected by these nerfs, they have maintained their power, and they deal it consistantly across all ship classes. They swap skills, voila! they are back to having the "i win" button again to all intents and purposes. Surprised a player of your age and "experience" fails to see this still things do tend to get past you easier in old age. As for past my bedtime? I havent had one of those since I was a little doot. I'll decide when im ready for sleep tyvm. (hint: dont make personal degrading remarks when you know nothing of the person your "arguing" with, it just makes you look like an arse, with no actual comeback to my counter argument.)
Sadist	Posted - 2005.09.14 03:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Deja Thoris So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns? Screw that. Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month" Horrible idea. Deja nails it again. --------------- VIP member of the [23]
Bozse	Posted - 2005.09.14 03:39:00 - [48] I'd go with no aswell. The removing a skill or even reversed training so u can remove some skills would be nice tho. Doesent realy matter but some skills just enoys me in the skill tree =/
Kerby Lane	Posted - 2005.09.14 04:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Deja Thoris So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns? Screw that. Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month" Horrible idea. Absolutely agree. Training is DONE. Finished. Completed. Under no curcumstances should it be reversable.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2005.09.14 04:43:00 - [50] I'd be happy if I could rearrange my skillpoints...but as others stated, older players have 30+ million sp's spread out over all the races, which gives the newer players with 5 mil skillpoints focused in one race an easier chance to compete, which is good.

Sorja	Posted - 2005.09.14 04:55:00 - [51] Of course it's a good idea, and a needed feature, be it for skillpoints or attribute points. Many don't know how attributes work when creating their character, or don't know what career path they'll chose and end up with attributes completely screwed up without any chance to recover. Most games have this feature, and many of those who didn't had it implemented it over time, lile Asheron's Call or Anarchy Online to only name two. So yes, it would be very wellcome and less expensive than to buy a character, be it for ISK or something else. Kill mails
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2005.09.14 05:41:00 - [52] Quote: What exactly is the problem? Unless you're asking to be allowed to pretty much funnel all skill points you no longer use, into what you perceive to be current 'flavour of the month' ... and then will cry in couple months about how your character is broken and demand another 'one-time-only reskill' ... because you have all skill points you gathered over years invested into something that is no longer "uber"..? o.O; The problem is I got Skillpoints I dont want them to be. During the start of the game I didnt know that Charisma and Willpower was USELESS! As example, my Skillpoints in Science. Why the hell do i have them? Becouse I thought they would have a use in the career I was chiocing, but nope no use... Quote: Dont make me laugh. 3 months yes, and I appear to have more of a grasp of how to treat the great nerf bat than yourself. I make no secrecy of my newbie status. You however seem to think because your the equivalent of the 65yr old factory line worker (been 'ere from the beginning, will be here till its death) in eve, that it instantly grants you newbiebashing rights. Your wrong mate. newbiebashing rights? What does that have to do with this? I can still bash you without problem even tho I got Skillpoints I dont use! "We brake for nobody"
Kerosene	Posted - 2005.09.14 06:25:00 - [53] No. The constant nerfing/boosting cycle is a great leveller for the vets and newer players alike. __
Stainless	Posted - 2005.09.14 07:36:00 - [54] Not many Minmatar replying here, wonder why that is?.....proly because we have to train freakin everything anyways, imo, no skill points are wasted skill points, each skill has a description of what it does, read it before training. /me passes cheese around
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.09.14 08:00:00 - [55] Admiral Iceblock, are you sure you're not asking for teh ability to rearrange your ATTRIBUTES? If so, I join you in your wish, but SKILLPOINTS should be left alone.
Lufio II	Posted - 2005.09.14 08:10:00 - [56] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock The problem is I got Skillpoints I dont want them to be. During the start of the game I didnt know that Charisma and Willpower was USELESS! As example, my Skillpoints in Science. Why the hell do i have them? Becouse I thought they would have a use in the career I was chiocing, but nope no use... Well, assuming to your sig I wonder how you came to the conclusion that Charisma is USELESS. I mean beeing a CEO you should be aware that Charisma is like needed for everything corp management and leadership related stuff, so the uselessness of that attribute is quite a point of view, don't you think? MSSI Forums Provider of Prorator Blockade Runner Transport Ships in Domain
Mangus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.09.14 08:17:00 - [57] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over... What ya think? Am I crazy? :\ Yea, lets make the uber players more uber, what a splendid idea. Should not CCP remove something from the rookies as well? You might not be crazy, but that idea is pretty awful.
Bloodgood	Posted - 2005.09.14 09:05:00 - [58] Edited by: Bloodgood on 14/09/2005 09:05:36 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock What ya think? Am I crazy? :\ Well.. yes.. i dont understand why you cant see that it will ruin the game. We have to live with our mistakes. Why help the uber become more uber? You picked the skill you thought was good at the time. Times change. Its pretty simple..you have to improvise, adapt and overcome. Dont whine about your mistake. Thats childish. I know i dont. Trained the "wrong" skill happens to all. And thats the thing about it, you improvise, adapt and overcome.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2005.09.14 09:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock The problem is I got Skillpoints I dont want them to be. During the start of the game I didnt know that Charisma and Willpower was USELESS! As example, my Skillpoints in Science. Why the hell do i have them? Becouse I thought they would have a use in the career I was chiocing, but nope no use... Quote: Dont make me laugh. 3 months yes, and I appear to have more of a grasp of how to treat the great nerf bat than yourself. I make no secrecy of my newbie status. You however seem to think because your the equivalent of the 65yr old factory line worker (been 'ere from the beginning, will be here till its death) in eve, that it instantly grants you newbiebashing rights. Your wrong mate. newbiebashing rights? What does that have to do with this? I can still bash you without problem even tho I got Skillpoints I dont use! Charisma and Willpower arent useless (charisma for one is damn useful for corp management, and social interactions), in fact all of the attributes have their uses. I can honestly say in the 3 months I have been playing that I've realised this. If all your moaning about is attributes, do the advanced learning skills and have done with it. Fit some implants to your choosing, and voila any deficit in one area that you may have once had is now no longer an issue. Science useless?! last time I checked you pretty much need science 4 for tech 2 gear, its a rather vital skill that I as a miner/fighter character am finding out rather painfully right now (unable to fit most of the gear I have in my items due to it) You need it for implants (for someone who is talking of changing attributes and skills you clearly have neglected to think of this) and you probably need it for a load of other things that I've yet to come across yet. Face it, you havent gotten away from the rather amateurish mistake of training "flavour of the month" skills. Pick a profession/skillbase and stick to it, simple. Learn from your mistakes dont ask for the ability to remake them, as that is what you'll do, you'll swap skills into the "flavour of the month" skillbase and end up back where you are now in a few months time. Newbiebashing rights in that rather than try and answer my questions using your experiences, you simply bypass what I say to throw insults my way. Either you have no argument against my comments, or you just place yourself on a pedastal due to your gametime.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.09.14 09:43:00 - [60] Being able to move around skillpoints would be a bad idea in my opinion. The game already suffers enough from cookie-cutter ship setups without there being any flavour of the month character builds. It would also increase the gap between veteran players and rookies. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori



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