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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:20:00 -
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Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!
Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month.
So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over...
What ya think? Am I crazy? :\
"We brake for nobody"
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:25:00 -
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not going to happen
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:26:00 -
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I'd pay cold hard electronic cash for that.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:28:00 -
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I feel your pain, this would be great for older players.
Personally i would love to see limited redistribution of attrib points.With all changes the older players are stuck with totally unesuful attribs.( for example at start there wasnt any other possiblity then to mine to earn decent money , many skills use other attribs then in past etc.)
I would limit this redistribution for once per 1/2 year for example, so you cant redistrubute evry time you start training skill with different prime req.
However to work it should allow to change at least bloodlines within a race and the 5 points at start ( yea im mostly combat pilot the intaki bloodline sucks for me big time for some time)
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:41:00 -
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This is simply the reciprocal of the "Help Noobs Catch Up" argument.
Can't say I would support either one.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:42:00 -
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My voice, not a chance.
Why.....
Because what was generaly 'flavour of the month' was so obviously an overbalance, you would have to be blind stupid to put all your training time into it.
So..... anyone crying foul of that now, you get nothing from me...
I totaly agree though on a few occasions ccp have moved the posts a little (but nothing too serious imho, aside caldari). But if your prime example is that of the above... eg i wanted to be ubber, and was smalled minded enough to think my godlike imbalanced skills would last forever... and i would like that changed now... errr no. -----------
"Heh believe me, theres never enough cheese to go round"
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 13/09/2005 19:48:46 When your using a ship one day, and the other day its made useless, what do you do?
Remember the almost 1min rof on projectiles?
"We brake for nobody"
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SaorAlba
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:57:00 -
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No chance. Switching all gunnery skills to perception as primairy attribute is the only rip of they ever made. It unbalanced the game and is highly unfair to all Amarr.
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Shorin
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!:\
I have plenty of skill points I would love to move around. However, in my opinion it is a game ruiner.
I've seen it in Asheron's Call 2 and it absolutely ruined the game for me. It started off as a "one time" change where you could completely rearrange your skill points but once introduced it became a crutch. I swear each and every month they'd offer a new "one time" change. At some point you realize all you are is a collection of optimally adjusted skill points, just like everyone else. Many started using the exact same template. Talk about "flavor of the month".
Be careful what you wish for. I can tell you from personal experience what it feels like when you completely trash your character to optimally place skill points. It is awesome for a few days (it truly is), then the reality sinks in. Your character is foreign to you and you've lost some of the attachment.
Here's an analogy. The government drops off a million dollars in your backyard. You find it. You are jumping up and down. What a wonderful gift! You lean over the fence and see your neighbor jumping up and down. He too got a million dollar shipment. Suddenly a new thought enters your mind. I better get to the store and start buying canned goods and water. Prices are going up big time if everyone got that "care package". Suddenly your glee turns to blind panic.
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:04:00 -
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Actually i've given this some thought too lately... I haven't wasted much sp's in places that i don't use but there are still some that i would like to change tho.
I would love to see ccp giving everyone a once in a life time chance to redistribute our skillpoints and attributes. Especially seeing as lot's of content ingame has changed since the start of the game so i'm sure many people would like a chance to redistribute some of their skills too because ccp changed something one way or another. Tbh, i think it's only fair that we would get this chance some time around. It should, however, be a 1 time thing.
Don't make it a payable thing so that a char can be amarr specialized one week and minmatar the next. But just a 1 time chance to change some misspend time wouldn't be bad. It would certainly please the older players ingame.
Just my 0,02$ =============================================
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!
No.
Wasted skillpoints is one of the things that helps offset the inherent advantage that veterans have over noobs. -- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:06:00 -
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So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:07:00 -
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Fine if they make it with like 50% SP loss in process, so it would be sort of skill point sink.
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
Well i am in favour of the idea and with me it's not something like flavour of the month training that i would like to change...
If anything my character is caldari/amarr, which are good races atm anyway. Still i've spend skillpoints in all 3 different kinds of guns, which are pretty pointless since i just don't use 'm anymore.
But i get what your saying tho, so how about changing the skillpoints only within the same catagory? That would certainly fix the missile to guns or the other way around thing. =============================================
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: So'Kar Fine if they make it with like 50% SP loss in process, so it would be sort of skill point sink.
Just add to this. Have it like this. It would be like 40% loss if both primary and secondary attributes were same for skill where you were transfering skill points, 50% if just primary was same, 60% if just secondary was same, 70% if neither.
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:28:00 -
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Stop training things you know are going to be nerfed because they're overpowered? -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled! |
Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:29:00 -
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I vote no for the same reason I am agaist any effort to short cut noobies development time. No I am not happy with my stats, who needs 27 memory, but it would ruin the game if I could change it after 2+ years. One of the joys of the game is you have to live with your mistakes, they dont just go away in the next round of play.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Graven Threndor
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: SurVie It should, however, be a 1 time thing.
It would never be a 1-time thing. If the capability existed in the game, people would scream for a respec every time something changed, no matter how trivial. Inevitably CCP would grant one. It's a never-ending cycle.
I'm pretty new to EVE, but it would appear that there is no skill cap - it's only time. You got a messed up spec? Learn different skills. All you lose is time. Most folks won't have a problem, and if they start caving to a vocal minority, things will only get worse.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: SurVie
Originally by: Deja Thoris So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
Well i am in favour of the idea and with me it's not something like flavour of the month training that i would like to change...
If anything my character is caldari/amarr, which are good races atm anyway. Still i've spend skillpoints in all 3 different kinds of guns, which are pretty pointless since i just don't use 'm anymore.
But i get what your saying tho, so how about changing the skillpoints only within the same catagory? That would certainly fix the missile to guns or the other way around thing.
Trust me, I've made as many mistakes as anybody.
When I started training for a zealot I trained CALDARI cruiser 27% of the way to lvl V before I realised and switched to amarr.
I'd benefit more than most and I still think it's a horrible idea.
I like living with the consequences of my actions.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:36:00 -
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Not being able to repick skills sounds like a fair price for being a FOTM. You made your choices fully knowing that a nerf was coming, or something was overpowered (that's why you picked it, right?) and you wanted to get while the gettin' was good. Deal with it. -- Lil Miner |
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania Not being able to repick skills sounds like a fair price for being a FOTM. You made your choices fully knowing that a nerf was coming, or something was overpowered (that's why you picked it, right?) and you wanted to get while the gettin' was good. Deal with it.
No not really. When my ship got nerfed I had to train for another to have any chance in PvP at all!
Why do you think things get nerfed? So they can nerf another thing another day?
"We brake for nobody"
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:42:00 -
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I dont think you poeple where from start in Eve. I was.You cant imagine the total madness of those times.
The game did really change incerdibly since then.IT is unfair for those who started so long ago.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Madous
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:44:00 -
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Or even better.
How about deleting some of our skills? Im sure you get to be stuck with some unwanted skills when you were a noob or something. My other character sure has lots of them, and would like to get rid of them.
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:48:00 -
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People shouldn't only look at it as players that wanna change something because something got nerfed.
When we started this game we didn't know how tech II was gonna be introduced and how the skill requirements would become, hell, when i started i didn't even knew what attributes were for exactly... i thought memory would train my char quickly -_-
However my attributes are still pretty ok, just wish i could lower my 22 memory with -2 and put 1 point to willpower and perception. However i could live with the fact that these will never be able to be changed.
I do think we should get a chance to change our skills since we couldn't possibly plan for specialisation since the beginning (at least not totally).
And yes this is my last post in this topic i'll let some other people speak, i just felt like making my point since i really would like to see ccp giving us that 1 time chance. =============================================
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:00:00 -
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one BIG problem ... rearranging all skill points means that 30 int 30 mem chars will have 40 mill + SP in gunnery skills ... you want that to happen???
instead of rearranging your sp you may just be allowed to unlearn one skill while you train anotherone which then gives, lets say 1 sp for each 2 sp untrained ...
so your training time would increase while you would actually lose on your total sp amount ...
Greetings Grim |
Meehan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:08:00 -
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One thing I don't understand - when the game settled every pre-nerf era vet knew just as much as the next newbie how the game was going to look, and started to train accordingly. Same with T2 specialization. Difference being that the vets had tons and tons of more 'general' skills good for every aspect of the game, such as cap skills.
And now some of you guys think you deserve some priviledge other than having those extra skills? Naa
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:11:00 -
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I can't say I agree with the whole arranging skillpoints thing... but it'd be awesome if you could buy back your security status now and again...
I beleive this facility was avialable in the past if i'm not mistaken... wouldn't go amiss now...
MY NAME IS VERONE OF SNIGG, AND I'M GOING TO KILL YOU TILL YOU DIE FROM IT! |
Sophie Mae
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: So'Kar
Originally by: So'Kar Fine if they make it with like 50% SP loss in process, so it would be sort of skill point sink.
Just add to this. Have it like this. It would be like 40% loss if both primary and secondary attributes were same for skill where you were transfering skill points, 50% if just primary was same, 60% if just secondary was same, 70% if neither.
Either way would be the way to do it. I like this idea, as it is self limiting.
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:21:00 -
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sadly it will never happen but try adding a cost in isk to it say a market item called the skill pill as i cant think of a good name. You take it and it frees up 1 mil sp for redistribution straight away.
Oh and a pill costs a billion isk. That way only vets can do it Who have the sp to move anyway.
Every Time You Use A Warp Stab Ovyer Kills A Puppy!!! |
Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal one BIG problem ... rearranging all skill points means that 30 int 30 mem chars will have 40 mill + SP in gunnery skills ... you want that to happen???
instead of rearranging your sp you may just be allowed to unlearn one skill while you train anotherone which then gives, lets say 1 sp for each 2 sp untrained ...
so your training time would increase while you would actually lose on your total sp amount ...
like another dude said, you can only change the skillpoints in the same catagory. Meaning if you have 40mill in Industry you can only change it to other industry skills.
"We brake for nobody"
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