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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:20:00 -
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Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!
Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month.
So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over...
What ya think? Am I crazy? :\
"We brake for nobody"
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:25:00 -
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not going to happen 
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:26:00 -
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I'd pay cold hard electronic cash for that.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:28:00 -
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I feel your pain, this would be great for older players.
Personally i would love to see limited redistribution of attrib points.With all changes the older players are stuck with totally unesuful attribs.( for example at start there wasnt any other possiblity then to mine to earn decent money , many skills use other attribs then in past etc.)
I would limit this redistribution for once per 1/2 year for example, so you cant redistrubute evry time you start training skill with different prime req.
However to work it should allow to change at least bloodlines within a race and the 5 points at start ( yea im mostly combat pilot the intaki bloodline sucks for me big time for some time)
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:41:00 -
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This is simply the reciprocal of the "Help Noobs Catch Up" argument.
Can't say I would support either one.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:42:00 -
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My voice, not a chance.
Why.....
Because what was generaly 'flavour of the month' was so obviously an overbalance, you would have to be blind stupid to put all your training time into it.
So..... anyone crying foul of that now, you get nothing from me...
I totaly agree though on a few occasions ccp have moved the posts a little (but nothing too serious imho, aside caldari). But if your prime example is that of the above... eg i wanted to be ubber, and was smalled minded enough to think my godlike imbalanced skills would last forever... and i would like that changed now... errr no.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 13/09/2005 19:48:46
When your using a ship one day, and the other day its made useless, what do you do?
Remember the almost 1min rof on projectiles?
"We brake for nobody"
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SaorAlba
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:57:00 -
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No chance. Switching all gunnery skills to perception as primairy attribute is the only rip of they ever made. It unbalanced the game and is highly unfair to all Amarr.
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Shorin
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Posted - 2005.09.13 19:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!:\
I have plenty of skill points I would love to move around. However, in my opinion it is a game ruiner.
I've seen it in Asheron's Call 2 and it absolutely ruined the game for me. It started off as a "one time" change where you could completely rearrange your skill points but once introduced it became a crutch. I swear each and every month they'd offer a new "one time" change. At some point you realize all you are is a collection of optimally adjusted skill points, just like everyone else. Many started using the exact same template. Talk about "flavor of the month".
Be careful what you wish for. I can tell you from personal experience what it feels like when you completely trash your character to optimally place skill points. It is awesome for a few days (it truly is), then the reality sinks in. Your character is foreign to you and you've lost some of the attachment.
Here's an analogy. The government drops off a million dollars in your backyard. You find it. You are jumping up and down. What a wonderful gift! You lean over the fence and see your neighbor jumping up and down. He too got a million dollar shipment. Suddenly a new thought enters your mind. I better get to the store and start buying canned goods and water.  Prices are going up big time if everyone got that "care package". Suddenly your glee turns to blind panic. 
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:04:00 -
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Actually i've given this some thought too lately... I haven't wasted much sp's in places that i don't use but there are still some that i would like to change tho.
I would love to see ccp giving everyone a once in a life time chance to redistribute our skillpoints and attributes. Especially seeing as lot's of content ingame has changed since the start of the game so i'm sure many people would like a chance to redistribute some of their skills too because ccp changed something one way or another. Tbh, i think it's only fair that we would get this chance some time around. It should, however, be a 1 time thing.
Don't make it a payable thing so that a char can be amarr specialized one week and minmatar the next. But just a 1 time chance to change some misspend time wouldn't be bad. It would certainly please the older players ingame.
Just my 0,02$
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!
No.
Wasted skillpoints is one of the things that helps offset the inherent advantage that veterans have over noobs.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:06:00 -
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So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:07:00 -
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Fine if they make it with like 50% SP loss in process, so it would be sort of skill point sink.
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
Well i am in favour of the idea and with me it's not something like flavour of the month training that i would like to change...
If anything my character is caldari/amarr, which are good races atm anyway. Still i've spend skillpoints in all 3 different kinds of guns, which are pretty pointless since i just don't use 'm anymore.
But i get what your saying tho, so how about changing the skillpoints only within the same catagory? That would certainly fix the missile to guns or the other way around thing.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: So'Kar
Fine if they make it with like 50% SP loss in process, so it would be sort of skill point sink.
Just add to this. Have it like this. It would be like 40% loss if both primary and secondary attributes were same for skill where you were transfering skill points, 50% if just primary was same, 60% if just secondary was same, 70% if neither.
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:28:00 -
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Stop training things you know are going to be nerfed because they're overpowered?
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:29:00 -
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I vote no for the same reason I am agaist any effort to short cut noobies development time. No I am not happy with my stats, who needs 27 memory, but it would ruin the game if I could change it after 2+ years. One of the joys of the game is you have to live with your mistakes, they dont just go away in the next round of play.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Graven Threndor
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: SurVie
It should, however, be a 1 time thing.
It would never be a 1-time thing. If the capability existed in the game, people would scream for a respec every time something changed, no matter how trivial. Inevitably CCP would grant one. It's a never-ending cycle.
I'm pretty new to EVE, but it would appear that there is no skill cap - it's only time. You got a messed up spec? Learn different skills. All you lose is time. Most folks won't have a problem, and if they start caving to a vocal minority, things will only get worse.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: SurVie
Originally by: Deja Thoris
So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
Well i am in favour of the idea and with me it's not something like flavour of the month training that i would like to change...
If anything my character is caldari/amarr, which are good races atm anyway. Still i've spend skillpoints in all 3 different kinds of guns, which are pretty pointless since i just don't use 'm anymore.
But i get what your saying tho, so how about changing the skillpoints only within the same catagory? That would certainly fix the missile to guns or the other way around thing.
Trust me, I've made as many mistakes as anybody.
When I started training for a zealot I trained CALDARI cruiser 27% of the way to lvl V before I realised and switched to amarr.
I'd benefit more than most and I still think it's a horrible idea.
I like living with the consequences of my actions.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:36:00 -
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Not being able to repick skills sounds like a fair price for being a FOTM. You made your choices fully knowing that a nerf was coming, or something was overpowered (that's why you picked it, right?) and you wanted to get while the gettin' was good. Deal with it.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Not being able to repick skills sounds like a fair price for being a FOTM. You made your choices fully knowing that a nerf was coming, or something was overpowered (that's why you picked it, right?) and you wanted to get while the gettin' was good. Deal with it.
No not really. When my ship got nerfed I had to train for another to have any chance in PvP at all!
Why do you think things get nerfed? So they can nerf another thing another day?
"We brake for nobody"
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:42:00 -
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I dont think you poeple where from start in Eve. I was.You cant imagine the total madness of those times.
The game did really change incerdibly since then.IT is unfair for those who started so long ago.
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Madous
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:44:00 -
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Or even better.
How about deleting some of our skills?
Im sure you get to be stuck with some unwanted skills when you were a noob or something. My other character sure has lots of them, and would like to get rid of them.
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.09.13 20:48:00 -
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People shouldn't only look at it as players that wanna change something because something got nerfed.
When we started this game we didn't know how tech II was gonna be introduced and how the skill requirements would become, hell, when i started i didn't even knew what attributes were for exactly... i thought memory would train my char quickly -_-
However my attributes are still pretty ok, just wish i could lower my 22 memory with -2 and put 1 point to willpower and perception. However i could live with the fact that these will never be able to be changed.
I do think we should get a chance to change our skills since we couldn't possibly plan for specialisation since the beginning (at least not totally).
And yes this is my last post in this topic i'll let some other people speak, i just felt like making my point since i really would like to see ccp giving us that 1 time chance.
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:00:00 -
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one BIG problem ... rearranging all skill points means that 30 int 30 mem chars will have 40 mill + SP in gunnery skills ... you want that to happen???
instead of rearranging your sp you may just be allowed to unlearn one skill while you train anotherone which then gives, lets say 1 sp for each 2 sp untrained ...
so your training time would increase while you would actually lose on your total sp amount ...
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:08:00 -
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One thing I don't understand - when the game settled every pre-nerf era vet knew just as much as the next newbie how the game was going to look, and started to train accordingly. Same with T2 specialization. Difference being that the vets had tons and tons of more 'general' skills good for every aspect of the game, such as cap skills.
And now some of you guys think you deserve some priviledge other than having those extra skills? Naa
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:11:00 -
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I can't say I agree with the whole arranging skillpoints thing... but it'd be awesome if you could buy back your security status now and again...
I beleive this facility was avialable in the past if i'm not mistaken... wouldn't go amiss now... 
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Sophie Mae
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: So'Kar
Originally by: So'Kar
Fine if they make it with like 50% SP loss in process, so it would be sort of skill point sink.
Just add to this. Have it like this. It would be like 40% loss if both primary and secondary attributes were same for skill where you were transfering skill points, 50% if just primary was same, 60% if just secondary was same, 70% if neither.
Either way would be the way to do it. I like this idea, as it is self limiting.
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:21:00 -
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sadly it will never happen but try adding a cost in isk to it say a market item called the skill pill as i cant think of a good name. You take it and it frees up 1 mil sp for redistribution straight away.
Oh and a pill costs a billion isk. That way only vets can do it Who have the sp to move anyway.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
one BIG problem ... rearranging all skill points means that 30 int 30 mem chars will have 40 mill + SP in gunnery skills ... you want that to happen???
instead of rearranging your sp you may just be allowed to unlearn one skill while you train anotherone which then gives, lets say 1 sp for each 2 sp untrained ...
so your training time would increase while you would actually lose on your total sp amount ...
like another dude said, you can only change the skillpoints in the same catagory. Meaning if you have 40mill in Industry you can only change it to other industry skills.
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri
This is simply the reciprocal of the "Help Noobs Catch Up" argument.
Can't say I would support either one.
hit the nail on the head there, as much as I'ld love it. I vote no.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.09.13 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!
Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month.
So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over...
What ya think? Am I crazy? :\
Just because your poor judgement means that you have to do more work now. Doesnt mean you should be given a chance to undo your mistakes. I'm caldari, but have I retrained in other races due to missile nerfs? HELL no! im not an idiot. I just train up the relevant skills in order to improve what I already have.
You can train skills in whatever field you like, stop whining for a shortcut way of doing things. As.. when someone who has trained several million skill points in caldari race specific technologies suddenly switches those skillpoints into an amarr character to use bloody huge lasers on your ass, you will be whining again to not allow skill point interchangability.
If I study Biology, that doesnt make me an expert in Physics overnight, neither should you be able to do the same in the eve universe
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!
Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month.
So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over...
What ya think? Am I crazy? :\
Just because your poor judgement means that you have to do more work now. Doesnt mean you should be given a chance to undo your mistakes. I'm caldari, but have I retrained in other races due to missile nerfs? HELL no! im not an idiot. I just train up the relevant skills in order to improve what I already have.
You can train skills in whatever field you like, stop whining for a shortcut way of doing things. As.. when someone who has trained several million skill points in caldari race specific technologies suddenly switches those skillpoints into an amarr character to use bloody huge lasers on your ass, you will be whining again to not allow skill point interchangability.
If I study Biology, that doesnt make me an expert in Physics overnight, neither should you be able to do the same in the eve universe
says the guy who has played for a whole 3 months. I am sure you know all about how it was back in the days...
and why would i care if i get killed by lasers instead of missiles?
besides, I think its bed time for you...
"We brake for nobody"
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.09.13 22:11:00 -
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I'd go for no.
But if, it had to happen, losing half of the skillpoints and only being able to transfer them to skills in the same category should suffice...
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Auroris Vodalion
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Posted - 2005.09.13 23:17:00 -
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you are asking something like "Please, I didn¦t think before training skills, let me turn back time now"
sorry - but in life - virtual or real - this is not possible. please use your brain accordingly next time.
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Kaarh Tar
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Posted - 2005.09.13 23:21:00 -
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Auroria if you dont know what you are talking about dont speak.Have you been playing this gae from first month after release? Do you know how it looked?
The perfect choices then are terrible now necause the game changed tottaly.
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Auroris Vodalion
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Posted - 2005.09.13 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Auroris Vodalion on 13/09/2005 23:32:20
Originally by: Kaarh Tar
Auroria if you dont know what you are talking about dont speak.Have you been playing this gae from first month after release? Do you know how it looked?
The perfect choices then are terrible now necause the game changed tottaly.
created my account within the 1st week - anymore questions ?
I made my choices based on character advancement and not by forum threads and flavour of the month - now i smile and sit back :)
all gallente ship skills level 5 / no other races ships
7 M SP in Gunnery with only Hybrid weapons and Blaster Specialisation (small = 5, med and large = 4)
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.09.14 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
When I started training for a zealot I trained CALDARI cruiser 27% of the way to lvl V before I realised and switched to amarr.
Absolutely PRICELESS
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.09.14 00:28:00 -
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NEVER!
Would ruin the game and no to tired to tell you noobs why
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.09.14 00:55:00 -
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When I just from megathron to taranis I lose 5M skill points at least. When I jump from taranis to megathron I gain 5 million but lose 1 million. You never use all your skillpoints so having 500K or 5M even in something else does not mean anything.
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Ecnav
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Posted - 2005.09.14 00:57:00 -
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id love to see a skill manager so that i dont have to sign on to train a pesky little skill. instead you set it up, and it trains FOREVER!!!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.14 01:22:00 -
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"Most of us (I know I did) trained skillpoints after what was the "flavour of the month" becouse of the constant nerfing. One month one race would be good, the other month it would have been nerfed to hell and back and even further. But now, it seems that the nerfing has decreased and specialisation is now a possibility without getting stuffed next month.
So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over..."
... I don't think i understand. You spent some of your skill points to be good when certain flavour of the month was good. Then you spend some more on another flavour of the month, to still be good. And then some more on another. And then some more on another. You used your skill points to be continually on top of the food chain.
You had a good, useful character throughout the existence of the game, paying with skill points for it. And now your character is still good, and the different specialization branches are made more even.
What exactly *is* the problem? Unless you're asking to be allowed to pretty much funnel all skill points you no longer use, into what you perceive to be current 'flavour of the month' ... and then will cry in couple months about how your character is broken and demand another 'one-time-only reskill' ... because you have all skill points you gathered over years invested into something that is no longer "uber"..? o.O;
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.09.14 01:35:00 -
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i wont cry for being able too change my skill points around but i will ***** at my atts that where setup in the past when i first made this guy. befor the ew nerf and these stupit skills put in place for ew, i was a jammer and fought well as one. now that my atts are all rong for thouse type of skills it will take a dogs age for me too cap ew skills with mem at 8 and int 10. so now i wont my right too rework these atts so they will faver my jamming skills that i didnt have too worry about in the begining of this character. too me this would be a fair thing for ccp too do.. 
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zukra
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Posted - 2005.09.14 01:41:00 -
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i might support this if you had to click an up or down arrow for each skill point you wanted to add or remove.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.09.14 02:32:00 -
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Consider your skill points like an education.
You get to college, decide you want to be a Professional Potato masher, you train for 5 years, get your bachelor in potato studies and leave school the top of your field.
Youre living life high, getting paid billions a week, win a nobel peace prize for your revolutionary new potato pealer... then all of a sudden, the market drops out of the potato industry.
Everyone stops eating potatos, you struggle to find work, youre poor.
You cant now turn round and reinvest those 5 years of your life into new qualifications(Cabbage slicing and the market has shot up on them) youre stuck with what youve got, you adapt or you die out.
Live with it, adapt, retrain.
Its how the real world works
Its how eve works
And it shouldnt be changed.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.09.14 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
*snip*
says the guy who has played for a whole 3 months. I am sure you know all about how it was back in the days...
and why would i care if i get killed by lasers instead of missiles?
besides, I think its bed time for you...
Dont make me laugh. 3 months yes, and I appear to have more of a grasp of how to treat the great nerf bat than yourself. I make no secrecy of my newbie status. You however seem to think because your the equivalent of the 65yr old factory line worker (been 'ere from the beginning, will be here till its death) in eve, that it instantly grants you newbiebashing rights. Your wrong mate.
You clearly have made some erroneous judgements in the past and they've come to bite you in the arse, so I suggest that you actually start making correct decisions, and training to make up for what you lack. There is no need to swap skillpoints between items, just train more. If your that tired of training just take a break, or leave. Everyone makes mistakes, the difference is that most of us here try to undo them off our own back, not whinge about changing a fundamental part of the game.
As for facing lasers or missiles? well.. considering the amount of whining going on about the missile nerfs and the stealth raven nerfs, these people clearly do not have the "i win" button they used to have, however Lasers are not affected by these nerfs, they have maintained their power, and they deal it consistantly across all ship classes. They swap skills, voila! they are back to having the "i win" button again to all intents and purposes. Surprised a player of your age and "experience" fails to see this still things do tend to get past you easier in old age. 
As for past my bedtime? I havent had one of those since I was a little doot. I'll decide when im ready for sleep tyvm. (hint: dont make personal degrading remarks when you know nothing of the person your "arguing" with, it just makes you look like an arse, with no actual comeback to my counter argument.)
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.09.14 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
Deja nails it again.
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Bozse
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Posted - 2005.09.14 03:39:00 -
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I'd go with no aswell.
The removing a skill or even reversed training so u can remove some skills would be nice tho.
Doesent realy matter but some skills just enoys me in the skill tree =/
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.09.14 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
Screw that.
Live with the consequences of your actions. If someone trained the "flavour of the month" they should have known theres a "next month"
Horrible idea.
Absolutely agree.
Training is DONE. Finished. Completed.
Under no curcumstances should it be reversable.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.09.14 04:43:00 -
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I'd be happy if I could rearrange my skillpoints...but as others stated, older players have 30+ million sp's spread out over all the races, which gives the newer players with 5 mil skillpoints focused in one race an easier chance to compete, which is good.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.14 04:55:00 -
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Of course it's a good idea, and a needed feature, be it for skillpoints or attribute points.
Many don't know how attributes work when creating their character, or don't know what career path they'll chose and end up with attributes completely screwed up without any chance to recover.
Most games have this feature, and many of those who didn't had it implemented it over time, lile Asheron's Call or Anarchy Online to only name two.
So yes, it would be very wellcome and less expensive than to buy a character, be it for ISK or something else.
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Posted - 2005.09.14 05:41:00 -
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What exactly *is* the problem? Unless you're asking to be allowed to pretty much funnel all skill points you no longer use, into what you perceive to be current 'flavour of the month' ... and then will cry in couple months about how your character is broken and demand another 'one-time-only reskill' ... because you have all skill points you gathered over years invested into something that is no longer "uber"..? o.O;
The problem is I got Skillpoints I dont want them to be. During the start of the game I didnt know that Charisma and Willpower was USELESS!
As example, my Skillpoints in Science. Why the hell do i have them? Becouse I thought they would have a use in the career I was chiocing, but nope no use...
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Dont make me laugh. 3 months yes, and I appear to have more of a grasp of how to treat the great nerf bat than yourself. I make no secrecy of my newbie status. You however seem to think because your the equivalent of the 65yr old factory line worker (been 'ere from the beginning, will be here till its death) in eve, that it instantly grants you newbiebashing rights. Your wrong mate.
newbiebashing rights? What does that have to do with this? I can still bash you without problem even tho I got Skillpoints I dont use!
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2005.09.14 06:25:00 -
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No. The constant nerfing/boosting cycle is a great leveller for the vets and newer players alike.
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Stainless
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Posted - 2005.09.14 07:36:00 -
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Not many Minmatar replying here, wonder why that is?.....proly because we have to train freakin everything anyways,
imo, no skill points are wasted skill points, each skill has a description of what it does, read it before training.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.14 08:00:00 -
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Admiral Iceblock, are you sure you're not asking for teh ability to rearrange your ATTRIBUTES?
If so, I join you in your wish, but SKILLPOINTS should be left alone.
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2005.09.14 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
The problem is I got Skillpoints I dont want them to be. During the start of the game I didnt know that Charisma and Willpower was USELESS!
As example, my Skillpoints in Science. Why the hell do i have them? Becouse I thought they would have a use in the career I was chiocing, but nope no use...
Well, assuming to your sig I wonder how you came to the conclusion that Charisma is USELESS. I mean beeing a CEO you should be aware that Charisma is like needed for everything corp management and leadership related stuff, so the uselessness of that attribute is quite a point of view, don't you think?
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.09.14 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
So im asking if CCP could be so kind to give us EVE Players a chance to put our Skillpoints in other skills, since the "nerf era" seems to be over...
What ya think? Am I crazy? :\
Yea, lets make the uber players more uber, what a splendid idea. Should not CCP remove something from the rookies as well?
You might not be crazy, but that idea is pretty awful.
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Bloodgood
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Posted - 2005.09.14 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodgood on 14/09/2005 09:05:36
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
What ya think? Am I crazy? :\
Well.. yes.. i dont understand why you cant see that it will ruin the game.
We have to live with our mistakes. Why help the uber become more uber?
You picked the skill you thought was good at the time. Times change.
Its pretty simple..you have to improvise, adapt and overcome.
Dont whine about your mistake. Thats childish. I know i dont. Trained the "wrong" skill happens to all. And thats the thing about it, you improvise, adapt and overcome.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.09.14 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
The problem is I got Skillpoints I dont want them to be. During the start of the game I didnt know that Charisma and Willpower was USELESS!
As example, my Skillpoints in Science. Why the hell do i have them? Becouse I thought they would have a use in the career I was chiocing, but nope no use...
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Dont make me laugh. 3 months yes, and I appear to have more of a grasp of how to treat the great nerf bat than yourself. I make no secrecy of my newbie status. You however seem to think because your the equivalent of the 65yr old factory line worker (been 'ere from the beginning, will be here till its death) in eve, that it instantly grants you newbiebashing rights. Your wrong mate.
newbiebashing rights? What does that have to do with this? I can still bash you without problem even tho I got Skillpoints I dont use!
Charisma and Willpower arent useless (charisma for one is damn useful for corp management, and social interactions), in fact all of the attributes have their uses. I can honestly say in the 3 months I have been playing that I've realised this. If all your moaning about is attributes, do the advanced learning skills and have done with it. Fit some implants to your choosing, and voila any deficit in one area that you may have once had is now no longer an issue.
Science useless?! last time I checked you pretty much need science 4 for tech 2 gear, its a rather vital skill that I as a miner/fighter character am finding out rather painfully right now (unable to fit most of the gear I have in my items due to it) You need it for implants (for someone who is talking of changing attributes and skills you clearly have neglected to think of this) and you probably need it for a load of other things that I've yet to come across yet.
Face it, you havent gotten away from the rather amateurish mistake of training "flavour of the month" skills. Pick a profession/skillbase and stick to it, simple. Learn from your mistakes dont ask for the ability to remake them, as that is what you'll do, you'll swap skills into the "flavour of the month" skillbase and end up back where you are now in a few months time.
Newbiebashing rights in that rather than try and answer my questions using your experiences, you simply bypass what I say to throw insults my way. Either you have no argument against my comments, or you just place yourself on a pedastal due to your gametime.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.09.14 09:43:00 -
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Being able to move around skillpoints would be a bad idea in my opinion.
The game already suffers enough from cookie-cutter ship setups without there being any flavour of the month character builds.
It would also increase the gap between veteran players and rookies.
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Posted - 2005.09.14 10:43:00 -
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I'd have to say no, much as I would love to balance out some things on Blacklight, he is the way he is and his foibles give him a little character and me a few challenges to overcome.
So you picked the 'wrong' attributes to be strong in when you started your character? Well you know where to direct the more expensive higher quality implants to overcome or mitigate that shortcoming now don't you? Or maybe there are two attributes where the extra point would make training the advanced learning skill to level 5 more worthwhile, when you wouldn't do it with one of your other attributes because thats already quite high. The tools are available to help resolve issues with attribute selection.
It's difficult to predict where things will go in the future and what will become useful. I got next to no use out of charisma for years, which was a good thing as my charisma was low, then along came all these lovely new gang skills and guess what they need?
As described by previous posters it's so easy to envisage a situation where lots of people reallocate skill points only for the game to change again in 3 months, yet again 'nerfing' their skill point allocation so that they need to reallocate a second time...and again... and again...
So what if you've got some industrial or mining or science skills on your pvp character that you don't need anymore, you're not a one trick pony, your character has some background and a little 'life' about them instead of being an off the shelf combat clone tailored for today's fashionable ships and weapons.
Just keep on trucking.
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Meathook
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Posted - 2005.09.14 10:56:00 -
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Interesting idea, but i doubt something like this would ever work with eve at all. To begin with, cos it kills the whole specialisation concept. Even if you could, i think most other games that use this also have a top limit to which you can "level." Eve is more about developing your character, non-stop.
Having been here since 2003 September, more or less, i can guarantee i have a looot of skillpoints, and it's only been in the last year when i chose to start specialising in a few areas, nothing to do with which one was the strongest (ships with sails rock  ).
IF this whole skillpoint re-arrangement issue has anything to do with catching up with older characters, i would not worry that much. Success comes in eve usually from trying things out more often. I have been wtfpwned by groups of well-coordinated people whose skillpoint total probably didn't even reach half of mine all combined.
Remember, out there, somewhere, there are other players that think faster, act better, or in general are more competitive than you, i don't care how many skillpoints they may have.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.09.14 11:11:00 -
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Not a new, nor a good idea.
Don't misunderstand me, I've got at least 5 mill skillpoints I havent used at all in the last 12 months, but redistribution would only lead to more grief.
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Takigama
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Posted - 2005.09.14 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
I feel your pain, this would be great for older players.
Personally i would love to see limited redistribution of attrib points.With all changes the older players are stuck with totally unesuful attribs.( for example at start there wasnt any other possiblity then to mine to earn decent money , many skills use other attribs then in past etc.)
I would limit this redistribution for once per 1/2 year for example, so you cant redistrubute evry time you start training skill with different prime req.
However to work it should allow to change at least bloodlines within a race and the 5 points at start ( yea im mostly combat pilot the intaki bloodline sucks for me big time for some time)
actually, personally, i'd love this myself, except i'd be happy with a one-time (anytime) redistribution of skill points... once you get to a certain point, you just get to realise with that first char you worked on that you just choose wrong... which is a pity
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Sakura Yoshida
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Posted - 2005.09.14 11:50:00 -
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i'd rather rearrange my attributes, i started off thinking they'd affect gameplay, not skilltraining, so i made charisma way too high (i only have like three skills that use charisma), i shoulda read the guides and stuff, but still, it is a little annoying to have my stuff training really slow :P
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.09.14 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
So everybody with level 5 torps can suddenly use t2 guns?
i have level 5 torps lvl 5 cruise and can still use T2 large turrets 
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2005.09.14 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
I dont think you poeple where from start in Eve. I was.You cant imagine the total madness of those times.
The game did really change incerdibly since then.IT is unfair for those who started so long ago.
I don't agree with you here at all. Like you, I've been playing EVE since it was born and in no way is it unfair for people like us. We have knowledge of the past in game and also experience + sp's. I'll admit I have some skills trained which I have no use for now, but I don't see it being right to allow me or anyone else to move around what I have done in such a way.
My character is the wear and tear of the decisions I have made, I say let them be! The time you have spent doesn't really matter to this discussion btw.
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Cherokee Fabry
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Posted - 2005.09.14 12:50:00 -
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As someone already mentioned in previous posts, there is no skill cap in EVE, characteristic that makes mistakes in training less painfull for vets.
As you all know , other MMORPG has such caps, hence in my opinion a "skill refiner" has more sence.
In one words : NO
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P.S. : still, if it will be implemented, ring the bell, plenty of SP to be moved here
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Posted - 2005.09.14 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Dont remember if it has been asked before, but I think we should be able to re-arrange our Skillpoints!
I would disagree. I have one attribute that I did not think would ever be useful. Even if I trained the advanced learning skills to level 5, I could not raise it up to a decent level. So I nerfed myself. Granted, I think more data should be made available to new players about how to set character attributes, the trade-offs, etc.
But if I switched now, then I would pay the price on my uber attributes and the categories affected by them. So I don't really see anything gained here.
Also, the others posting in this thread bring up a good point, you would tend to lose your character and not recognize it anymore. Something I never considered, but I can see that happening.
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McBane
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Posted - 2005.09.14 13:20:00 -
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CCP, DONT give us a chance to re-arrange our skill points!
Oh sorry, you're not that daft are you - my apologies! 
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Mister Meaner
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Posted - 2005.09.14 13:57:00 -
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I would support a once off attribute only change but as others have stated skill points should be left alone. It is really annoying to find out after you have rolled your toon that the attributes you choose just wont cut it for the profession you have in mind. Especially since there is no tutorial on attributes before you choose them as a new player iirc.
On a side note to this, anyone heard anything about whether current toons will be allowed to reroll in the new bloodlines, and if so, will that let us change the attribute points we chose after we picked our bloodline?
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2005.09.14 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Dont remember if it has been asked before
Several times on the skills forum. And as many times this silly idea has been ground down to earth with iron shod boots as is right.
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
What ya think? Am I crazy? :\
Yes you are.
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