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Equus Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance 56	Posted - 2013.04.10 20:45:00 - [1] - Quote Honest question here, I am just very slowly returning and getting my feet wet, and the more I think about it when I left, at least for minmatar ships, HAC's were seldom used. Lots of fleet stabbers out, no vagabonds, and munin (sp?), I can't remember the last time I have seen one of those. As for other ships, unfortunately my views are lopsided as currently I really only fly minmatar. Is my viewpoint and experience too limited, or do some of the T2 ships out there need some loving as well?
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 234	Posted - 2013.04.10 20:52:00 - [2] - Quote Have you ever seen an eagle?
Equus Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance 56	Posted - 2013.04.10 20:55:00 - [3] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Have you ever seen an eagle? Nope, I had to look that one up on the wiki...
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 2181	Posted - 2013.04.10 20:56:00 - [4] - Quote The rebalance effort will eventually reach Tech 2 ships. Some HACs are in particular need of love as their Tech 1 variants can do pretty much everything they can do (some even better) but for a fraction of the cost. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Goldensaver Marsuud And Sons Industries 174	Posted - 2013.04.10 21:00:00 - [5] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Have you ever seen an eagle? I actually know of a couple people who like to fly theirs. They're decent ships... just not really much better than a Moa. Nice resists though.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 58	Posted - 2013.04.10 21:48:00 - [6] - Quote eaaaaglllllllllllllllllle
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1615	Posted - 2013.04.10 21:48:00 - [7] - Quote yes, they need lots of love almost universally.
Hakaimono Stillwater Corporation 110	Posted - 2013.04.10 22:08:00 - [8] - Quote Ishtar could even stand a little cpu buff when the balance hammer falls.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 58	Posted - 2013.04.10 22:13:00 - [9] - Quote Hakaimono wrote: Ishtar could even stand a little cpu buff when the balance hammer falls. navy vexor would still be better in almost every way
Alexa Coates Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC 371	Posted - 2013.04.10 22:40:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah as far as I can tell, hacs are just about dead. I mean, you can get almost as much tank and dps out of their t1 counterparts. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 947	Posted - 2013.04.10 22:49:00 - [11] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Hakaimono wrote: Ishtar could even stand a little cpu buff when the balance hammer falls. navy vexor would still be better in almost every way The new navy vexor get 125 bandwidth, for a full flight of sentry/heavy drones, aside from the stats. It just snatched Ishtar's only saving grace for its poor stats. This thing looms over both the Ishtar, which has worse stats, and Myrm, which get fewer drones. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Klown Walk Fat People Lag IRL 206	Posted - 2013.04.10 23:04:00 - [12] - Quote Zealot is still really good.
Incindir Mauser Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 176	Posted - 2013.04.10 23:08:00 - [13] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Have you ever seen an eagle? It's not the Eagle's fault. The blame lies squarely with Medium Rails. As they suck balls.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1240	Posted - 2013.04.10 23:08:00 - [14] - Quote I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
elitatwo Congregatio 70	Posted - 2013.04.11 00:30:00 - [15] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!! That was never the issue with the Cerberus - the tank is. Even you have to admit that as soon as someone sneezes at a Cerberus it goes boom.
Incindir Mauser Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 176	Posted - 2013.04.11 01:06:00 - [16] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!! That was never the issue with the Cerberus - the tank is. Even you have to admit that as soon as someone sneezes at a Cerberus it goes boom. Cerberus isn't fast enough to kite. Eagle with rails doesn't do squat for damage. Caldari HAC's are not good. Outstripped by faction and other races HAC's in almost all departments.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8606	Posted - 2013.04.11 05:35:00 - [17] - Quote Equus wrote: Honest question here, I am just very slowly returning and getting my feet wet, and the more I think about it when I left, at least for minmatar ships, HAC's were seldom used. Lots of fleet stabbers out, no vagabonds, and munin (sp?), I can't remember the last time I have seen one of those. As for other ships, unfortunately my views are lopsided as currently I really only fly minmatar. Is my viewpoint and experience too limited, or do some of the T2 ships out there need some loving as well? Yes, the ship balancing team have already confirmed that the project will continue through the T2 ship range. They're just doing the T1 ships first. HACs are probably the most urgent case. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere My recommended voting list
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8606	Posted - 2013.04.11 05:44:00 - [18] - Quote Incindir Mauser wrote: elitatwo wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!! That was never the issue with the Cerberus - the tank is. Even you have to admit that as soon as someone sneezes at a Cerberus it goes boom. Cerberus isn't fast enough to kite. Eagle with rails doesn't do squat for damage. Caldari HAC's are not good. Outstripped by faction and other races HAC's in almost all departments. The problem with Caldari HACs is that the "sniper HAC" role no longer exists. There is nothing I can imagine the Eagle doing as a Sniper that the Naga won't always be doing much better. The Eagle needs a completely new role other than "180km paint-scratcher". I personally favour turning it into a Caldari version of the Deimos: make it into a fast, agile, high DPS burn'n'run blaster platform. The Cerb has a kind of micro-niche as a long range anti-EW ship, but EW isn't really common enough to make it worthwhile. CCP could build on this and give it a proper general anti-support role with dropping the kinetic damage for a precision bonus, and giving it absurdly good sensors (Say 40 sensor strength, 225km base lock range) to make it "resistant" to ECM & damps. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere My recommended voting list
Danny John-Peter New Eden Renegades 206	Posted - 2013.04.11 08:35:00 - [19] - Quote The HACs will be getting looked at at some point, as they stand most if not all need some sort of buff. The Zealot is really good though.
Evangeli Duvall Outset Generation Free Worlds Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:58:00 - [20] - Quote Danny John-Peter wrote: The Zealot is really good though. That's good to hear. It's my current skill training goal.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 148	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:26:00 - [21] - Quote Ishtar is one of the few HACs to retain its role after the introduction of attack BCs, and cruiser and battlecruiser tiericide. It'll totally lose its niche in pvp once the navy vexor gets buffed, but it'll still maintain a small niche in pve, where the large dronebay, resistances, and drone control range bonus are still quite good. Deimos on the other hand is quite jealous of the thorax's new 4th mid and the brutix's new 6th low. The Eagle is bad because its an Eagle. There weren't any flying around before tiericide happened either. Hell, there weren't even any flying around even during the heydey of sniper hacs, prior to the introduction of attack BCs. Medium rails get some blame, but most of it can be traced to it being the only HAC with a single damage bonus. Fighting is Magic

CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 1806	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:00:00 - [22] - Quote Yep, tech2 ships definitely are on our to-do list. While Command Ships, Black Ops and Heavy Assault Cruisers are quite in dire need of attention, we'll most likely go over them all one class at a time to make sure they fit with what we've done so far with the tiericide.

Angelina Joliee Project Stealth Squad The Initiative. 22	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:41:00 - [23] - Quote Yeah, please fix the caldari hacs - they are so bad atm. All other hacs do not need any urgent changes - they are ok.
Jonas Sukarala Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 80	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:53:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: Yep, tech2 ships definitely are on our to-do list. While Command Ships, Black Ops and Heavy Assault Cruisers are quite in dire need of attention, we'll most likely go over them all one class at a time to make sure they fit with what we've done so far with the tiericide. I would be fascinated to know what you think about HACS any role bonus like the AF in mind and any thoughts on specializing there bonuses towards maybe a more vaga/deimos like approach i.e. short range guns/HAMS especially the caldari HACS in particular? 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8629	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:53:00 - [25] - Quote Angelina Joliee wrote: Yeah, please fix the caldari hacs - they are so bad atm. All other hacs do not need any urgent changes - they are ok. Erm... not really. The Caldari one have just been the worst for longest. The advantages HACs have over their competitors are T2 resists (compared to faction cruisers) and small sig (compared to BCs). I would expect the HAC rework to be focused around emphasising these stats. Please vote for me for CSM8-áhere My recommended voting list
Kali Omega Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 129	Posted - 2013.04.12 12:49:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: Yep, tech2 ships definitely are on our to-do list. While Command Ships, Black Ops and Heavy Assault Cruisers are quite in dire need of attention, we'll most likely go over them all one class at a time to make sure they fit with what we've done so far with the tiericide. Please Please don't touch my Redeemer its fine the way it is. Edit: If you put laucnher hard points on it like its t1 counter part...so help me :P
Kalihira Interstellar Newcomers Inc. Home Front Coalition 7	Posted - 2013.04.12 13:17:00 - [27] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Angelina Joliee wrote: Yeah, please fix the caldari hacs - they are so bad atm. All other hacs do not need any urgent changes - they are ok. Erm... not really. The Caldari ones have just been the worst for longest. The advantages HACs have over their competitors are T2 resists (compared to faction cruisers) and small sig (compared to BCs). I would expect the HAC rework to be focused around emphasising these stats. and damage, since they are assault ships
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 236	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:15:00 - [28] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Angelina Joliee wrote: Yeah, please fix the caldari hacs - they are so bad atm. All other hacs do not need any urgent changes - they are ok. Erm... not really. The Caldari ones have just been the worst for longest. The advantages HACs have over their competitors are T2 resists. Perhaps it predates me, but why do the resists have no consistency. For example the massive EM resist on minnie shields. Seems bizarre.
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate 92	Posted - 2013.04.12 14:32:00 - [29] - Quote Klown Walk wrote: Zealot is still really good. The new IN Omen will dominate it almost every way, even range. Oderint Dum Metuant
Hakaimono Stillwater Corporation 112	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:13:00 - [30] - Quote Ishtar could use a bonus adjustment. Like dropping the drone bay bonus, increase the base bay size, and add another turret bonus. At that point its a matter of fixing medium rails which would help with a lot of what's wrong with the Gallente cruiser and bc lineup.Vexor and Navy Vexor stay being pure drone boats while Ishtar and Myrm have the turrets to go with their drones.

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