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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:44:00 -
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GJ CCP. I hope this was on purpose but if not, please have more accidents like this. |
Brynhilda
Massive PVPness
EntroPraetorian Aegis
49
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:45:00 -
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Clearly, this is CCP's fault.
Sansha Kuvakei is laughing at you from Stain.
How may I drug you with drugs? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
116
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:45:00 -
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Get more people out of highsec, make incursions low/nullsec only.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
214
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Posted - 2011.10.17 04:50:00 -
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Have more in high sec, so when people shoot each other, CONCORD shows up to kill them and NOT Sansha ships lol
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
54
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Posted - 2011.10.17 05:03:00 -
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Nah, Incursion runners formed up and ended the incursions themselves.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:28:00 -
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Guess it's time to man up and leave the warm embrace of highsec |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
166
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:41:00 -
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there were some a few hours ago, must have finished them |
Mister Alt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:54:00 -
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One of the 2 Hisec incursions was coming to an end so the supercap was popped. Then a group seperate from the main incursion community decided to prematurly pop the second. Instead they got beaten by a massive (for incursions at least) fleet and hence the current situation.
As for wether incusions should be in hisec... I like my isk printing machine tyvm |
Botleten
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:01:00 -
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Keep incursions in hisec, but disable concord in those systems while the incursion is ongoing. Either that or remove incursions from hisec completely. If concord can get in there to save ppl from each other, why the hell can't they get in there to save the system from the Sanshas? It does not follow logically. |
mkint
147
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:03:00 -
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Botleten wrote:Keep incursions in hisec, but disable concord in those systems while the incursion is ongoing. Either that or remove incursions from hisec completely. If concord can get in there to save ppl from each other, why the hell can't they get in there to save the system from the Sanshas? It does not follow logically.
Um... didn't goons get kicked out of highsec incursions because they suck at doing them so badly? "if we suck too bad to do them, nobody should be able to!" lol |
Botleten
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:06:00 -
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mkint wrote:Botleten wrote:Keep incursions in hisec, but disable concord in those systems while the incursion is ongoing. Either that or remove incursions from hisec completely. If concord can get in there to save ppl from each other, why the hell can't they get in there to save the system from the Sanshas? It does not follow logically. Um... didn't goons get kicked out of highsec incursions because they suck at doing them so badly? "if we suck too bad to do them, nobody should be able to!" lol
That's cute... you can't find any way to argue with my point, so you reference some imaginary event that never happened. |
mkint
147
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:15:00 -
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Botleten wrote:mkint wrote:Botleten wrote:Keep incursions in hisec, but disable concord in those systems while the incursion is ongoing. Either that or remove incursions from hisec completely. If concord can get in there to save ppl from each other, why the hell can't they get in there to save the system from the Sanshas? It does not follow logically. Um... didn't goons get kicked out of highsec incursions because they suck at doing them so badly? "if we suck too bad to do them, nobody should be able to!" lol That's cute... you can't find any way to argue with my point, so you reference some imaginary event that never happened.
I don't really want to take a stand on what would be good for EVE with the state of incursions. However, nullsecers can make nearly double the incursion income as highsecers, so enjoy your candy and stop your whining.
However, anything a goon says is automatically suspect, and the fact that 5 (or so) months ago goons attempted to disrupt highsec incursions and failed miserably is documentable. There was something about the goon fleet losing half their fleet to NPCs (demonstrating once again that your average goon is not as smart as your average AI) while the real incursioners came in and completed the site with zero losses. I take no credit for the win, as I wasn't involved, but I don't mind calling bullshit on self-serving bastards. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:23:00 -
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mkint wrote:
I don't really want to take a stand on what would be good for EVE with the state of incursions. However, nullsecers can make nearly double the incursion income as highsecers, so enjoy your candy and stop your whining.
However, anything a goon says is automatically suspect, and the fact that 5 (or so) months ago goons attempted to disrupt highsec incursions and failed miserably is documentable. There was something about the goon fleet losing half their fleet to NPCs (demonstrating once again that your average goon is not as smart as your average AI) while the real incursioners came in and completed the site with zero losses. I take no credit for the win, as I wasn't involved, but I don't mind calling bullshit on self-serving bastards.
Saying something is documentable and then presenting no actual documentation on it isn't exactly the best way to back up your argument. My point remains that if we were to bring in an equal number of player control ships as there are NPC sanshas go into a hisec incursion system and start attacking players, enough concord would pop into the system to whipe us all out, yet wouldn't touch the 'invading' sanshas. This is utterly illogical on every level, and simply saying "boo hoo we dont make enough isk in empire" isn't a valid counter to this flaw. Eve is a risk/reward scale. If you want the reward, take the risk. If you arent making enough in hisec its because you've conciously chosen not to take a risk to make more isk. If theyre going to present Sanshas as invaders then they should be treated as such by concord, or concord should be cut off from the 'invaded' systems. |
Alxea
U-208
Rote Kapelle
39
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:28:00 -
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When incursions take place, the sansha are sipose to cut off all "HELP" from the system. I don't fallow how there still can be the navy police and concord for that matter in a sansha controlled system. CCP should make it so that pirates can get into these systems without being navyed or concorded and kills some bears. So if ccp would be so kind to tell me why and how this is not possible? Incursions need to be like 0.0 when they happen in highsec. |
mkint
147
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:31:00 -
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Botleten wrote:mkint wrote:
I don't really want to take a stand on what would be good for EVE with the state of incursions. However, nullsecers can make nearly double the incursion income as highsecers, so enjoy your candy and stop your whining.
However, anything a goon says is automatically suspect, and the fact that 5 (or so) months ago goons attempted to disrupt highsec incursions and failed miserably is documentable. There was something about the goon fleet losing half their fleet to NPCs (demonstrating once again that your average goon is not as smart as your average AI) while the real incursioners came in and completed the site with zero losses. I take no credit for the win, as I wasn't involved, but I don't mind calling bullshit on self-serving bastards.
Saying something is documentable and then presenting no actual documentation on it isn't exactly the best way to back up your argument. My point remains that if we were to bring in an equal number of player control ships as there are NPC sanshas go into a hisec incursion system and start attacking players, enough concord would pop into the system to whipe us all out, yet wouldn't touch the 'invading' sanshas. This is utterly illogical on every level, and simply saying "boo hoo we dont make enough isk in empire" isn't a valid counter to this flaw. Eve is a risk/reward scale. If you want the reward, take the risk. If you arent making enough in hisec its because you've conciously chosen not to take a risk to make more isk. If theyre going to present Sanshas as invaders then they should be treated as such by concord, or concord should be cut off from the 'invaded' systems.
You're right, from a lore point of view. There is a disconnect between the lore and gameplay. However, is the gameplay balanced? I'd say yes. Doing an incursion in highsec nets you 40% less isk than doing one in low/null. That sounds extremely fair to me. Of course, as a goon, you prefer nobody makes a single isk except for you, and that your CEO's can't sell for $ to pay their mortgages. Goons motives are ALWAYS suspect. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:34:00 -
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I would support eliminating that 40% penalty if concord help was removed.... There'd be no more reason for the 40% penalty to exist. |
Alxea
U-208
Rote Kapelle
39
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:36:00 -
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mkint wrote:Botleten wrote:mkint wrote:
I don't really want to take a stand on what would be good for EVE with the state of incursions. However, nullsecers can make nearly double the incursion income as highsecers, so enjoy your candy and stop your whining.
However, anything a goon says is automatically suspect, and the fact that 5 (or so) months ago goons attempted to disrupt highsec incursions and failed miserably is documentable. There was something about the goon fleet losing half their fleet to NPCs (demonstrating once again that your average goon is not as smart as your average AI) while the real incursioners came in and completed the site with zero losses. I take no credit for the win, as I wasn't involved, but I don't mind calling bullshit on self-serving bastards.
Saying something is documentable and then presenting no actual documentation on it isn't exactly the best way to back up your argument. My point remains that if we were to bring in an equal number of player control ships as there are NPC sanshas go into a hisec incursion system and start attacking players, enough concord would pop into the system to whipe us all out, yet wouldn't touch the 'invading' sanshas. This is utterly illogical on every level, and simply saying "boo hoo we dont make enough isk in empire" isn't a valid counter to this flaw. Eve is a risk/reward scale. If you want the reward, take the risk. If you arent making enough in hisec its because you've conciously chosen not to take a risk to make more isk. If theyre going to present Sanshas as invaders then they should be treated as such by concord, or concord should be cut off from the 'invaded' systems. You're right, from a lore point of view. There is a disconnect between the lore and gameplay. However, is the gameplay balanced? I'd say yes. Doing an incursion in highsec nets you 40% less isk than doing one in low/null. That sounds extremely fair to me. Of course, as a goon, you prefer nobody makes a single isk except for you, and that your CEO's can't sell for $ to pay their mortgages. Goons motives are ALWAYS suspect.
Its not that, it is that these carebears hug highsec, and are in no real danger of pvp. Sure incursions are hard mode npc wise but with massive fleets with RR there is no real danger like there is in pvp. This needs to be fixed so there can be pvp for everybody in a incursion in highsec and not a carebear get together. lmao
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:45:00 -
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mkint wrote:However, anything a goon says is automatically suspect,
That's racist
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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
62
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:20:00 -
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For some odd reason, the Goon is right.
Also, too easy and too much money anyway.
Make the damn game hard again !
Remove CONCORD and local feds from incursion sites (at least the sites),
because they're absolutely Chewbacca there anyway.
That wouldn't automagically mean that pirates will take over,
because they'd have to deal with Sanshas too. |
Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:38:00 -
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Get into low-sec You not only make better isk but theres a chance to have some fun too!
TEST and GOON bears came into our system and then complained when we crashed their site.
GF ensued http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10805451 |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
97
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:15:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:mkint wrote:However, anything a goon says is automatically suspect, That's racist
if goons is a race, heaven help humanity
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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rodyas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:20:00 -
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You guys are ****** developers. Developers would make it so people would actaully use it, not just shut it off entirely. Might as well quit incursion to some of those ideas. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:31:00 -
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rodyas wrote:You guys are ****** developers. Developers would make it so people would actaully use it, not just shut it off entirely. Might as well quit incursion to some of those ideas.
There are other incursions. If you are unwilling to go to lowsec or 0.0 space it is not CCP's fault.
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Khamal Jolstien
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:52:00 -
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Mister Alt wrote:One of the 2 Hisec incursions was coming to an end so the supercap was popped. Then a group seperate from the main incursion community decided to prematurly pop the second. Instead they got beaten by a massive (for incursions at least) fleet and hence the current situation.
As for wether incusions should be in hisec... I like my isk printing machine tyvm
If they're running the mothership site, they're part of the incursion community. I'm not really sure what you're getting at? It seems that incursion runners voluntarily ended their incursion. Whoop-de-do.
They didn't end it somehow before the mothership appeared, so I'm not sure how they ended the thing prematurely. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
56
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:04:00 -
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Khamal Jolstien wrote:Mister Alt wrote:One of the 2 Hisec incursions was coming to an end so the supercap was popped. Then a group seperate from the main incursion community decided to prematurly pop the second. Instead they got beaten by a massive (for incursions at least) fleet and hence the current situation.
As for wether incusions should be in hisec... I like my isk printing machine tyvm If they're running the mothership site, they're part of the incursion community. I'm not really sure what you're getting at? It seems that incursion runners voluntarily ended their incursion. Whoop-de-do. They didn't end it somehow before the mothership appeared, so I'm not sure how they ended the thing prematurely.
Nope, Mister Alt is correct.
There's a lot of politics and drama in highsec incursions. I could write you a book about what has happened the last 9 months in highsec incursions....
It was ended prematurely according to a global highsec agreement by the majority of incursion runners.
That's what he meant ^
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
37
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:06:00 -
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The fact that Concord has the ability to enter an Incursion site but does not attack the Sansha ships is not counter to lore, it IS lore. People's inability to follow a story that isn't scripted exactly as they expect is not CCP's fault.
As for claims that high rewards means Eve: Easy Mode, you don't get Eve. It's a competitive environment, not a side-scroller. It doesn't matter how many points you have, only that you have more points than anyone else.
Not liking a feature does not make it a bug. Working as intended. |
Barakkus
822
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:10:00 -
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By that logic then it makes no sense that concord doesn't clear out belt rats or mission rats, anomaly rats, site rats, etc. |
DrDan21
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
76
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:22:00 -
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please please PLEASE come to lowsec incursions, I love nothing more than blowing up your fail fits |
Dhaul
Reunincapacitators
Nabaal Syndicate
41
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:34:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Get more people out of highsec, make incursions low/nullsec only.
Not only this, make incursions more interesting by having them downgrade incursion'd hisec to lowsec. |
Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:36:00 -
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I'm scared of non-highsec.
http://warpbubble.blogspot.com/
The Warp Bubble Blog
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