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Nova Satar Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 107	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:22:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously CCP, can you STOP re-releasing supposed "limited edition" ships everytime you want to squeeze for an extra buck. What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. It completely detracts from the whole point. Release a batch, close production, and never make them again. This way people will have an incentive to actually try and get hold of them.
flakeys Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition 966	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:26:00 - [2] - Quote Nova Satar wrote: Seriously CCP, can you STOP re-releasing supposed "limited edition" ships everytime you want to squeeze for an extra buck. What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. It completely detracts from the whole point. Release a batch, close production, and never make them again. This way people will have an incentive to actually try and get hold of them. But then they'll have to be creative and like make new ships and all We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2396	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:37:00 - [3] - Quote Nova Satar wrote: Seriously CCP, can you STOP re-releasing supposed "limited edition" ships everytime you want to squeeze for an extra buck. What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. It completely detracts from the whole point. Release a batch, close production, and never make them again. This way people will have an incentive to actually try and get hold of them. What did I miss this time? Please give more info on any recent reissues. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
iskflakes 389	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:48:00 - [4] - Quote The re-releasing of limited edition items is extremely frustrating to rare item collectors such as myself. First the ishukone shirts, and the 3 months it took for an official CCP reimbursement. Then then women's red/black coats (no reimbursement provided). Then the echelon, sansha codebreaker, primae. Then the snowball launchers that got needlessly deleted to make room for the new festival launcher (destroying hundreds of billions in rare collections). Today -- CCP act to destroy the value of these rare destroyers. CCP, I don't give a damn what you choose to release or not, but you need to tell us whether an item is actually special edition, or whether it's just a limited release. Right now the echelon and these catalysts are in the "special edition" section of the forums which strongly implied that no more of them would ever be created. At the very least there is huge ambiguity here. I don't want to hear about how you can't give us guaranteed -- you can. It would be trivial for you to come out and say that items X, Y and Z would not be re-released. Can I be certain that alliance tournament ships won't be re-released in a future buddy programme? Can I be certain the state issue ships won't be given away as part of some ******** PLEX promotion? Can I be certain I won't wake up to find all players have received T2 BPOs as part of a holiday gift? CCP, there is no need for this uncertainty. Your current approach is destructive towards the style of play of all item collectors across New Eden. -
Nova Satar Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 108	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:54:00 - [5] - Quote the post above sums everything up. The destroyers are just todays example, they have released plenty of special and limited editions over time but then closed production runs thus making them a collectable. Now today announce they are suddenly giving out more as bloody buddy program rewards.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1863	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:57:00 - [6] - Quote The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels. The new ones are all foil bordered pixels. If you were a true collector you could tell the difference. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Nova Satar Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 110	Posted - 2013.04.11 17:58:00 - [7] - Quote War Kitten wrote: The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels. The new ones are all foil bordered pixels. If you were a true collector you could tell the difference. Im not actually a collector, but i just feel annoyed on behalf of the people who are when i keep seeing it happen.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1863	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:04:00 - [8] - Quote Nova Satar wrote: War Kitten wrote: The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels. The new ones are all foil bordered pixels. If you were a true collector you could tell the difference. Im not actually a collector, but i just feel annoyed on behalf of the people who are when i keep seeing it happen. It wasn't specifically directed at you either, your post just snuck in before mine did while I was writing. I understand collectors items that you can invest in and take down to the local comic/card store or pawnbroker ... I have a bit of trouble taking in-game collectors items too seriously though. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Nova Satar Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 113	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:08:00 - [9] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Nova Satar wrote: War Kitten wrote: The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels. The new ones are all foil bordered pixels. If you were a true collector you could tell the difference. Im not actually a collector, but i just feel annoyed on behalf of the people who are when i keep seeing it happen. It wasn't specifically directed at you either, your post just snuck in before mine did while I was writing. I understand collectors items that you can invest in and take down to the local comic/card store or pawnbroker ... I have a bit of trouble taking in-game collectors items too seriously though. It's one of the biggest isk activities in eve, players pay hundreds of billions for the rarest items and get great enjoyment out of it. There are thousands of items which some can prove very tricky to get hold of, it makes for a cool dynamic and very interesting trades. People have huge interest in ships like the Guardian Vexor of which i think only 1 still exists? And the Luxry Opus yacht perhaps? (somebody im sure will correct me). This only happens because back when they were released CCP were more interested in a diverse game, than they were in flogging limited editions ships down the drain to get a few more trial accounts in the bag. Todays rare ships would never have reached this point if they kept getting rolled out over and over as marketing promo tat
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13575	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:11:00 - [10] - Quote Nova Satar wrote: What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. Have they ever run such a promotion, though? iskflakes wrote: First the ishukone shirts, and the 3 months it took for an official CCP reimbursement. Then then women's red/black coats (no reimbursement provided). Then the echelon, sansha codebreaker, primae. Then the snowball launchers that got needlessly deleted to make room for the new festival launcher (destroying hundreds of billions in rare collections). Lesson provided: special-event items are not GÇ£limited editionsGÇ¥. Lesson learned: none. Quote: Right now the echelon and these catalysts are in the "special edition" section of the ~~forums~~-ámarket which strongly implied that no more of them would ever be created. No. It just implies that they're not something that's not produced in-game. Quote: Can I be certain that alliance tournament ships won't be re-released in a future buddy programme? Can I be certain the state issue ships won't be given away as part of some ******** PLEX promotion? Can I be certain I won't wake up to find all players have received T2 BPOs as part of a holiday gift? No. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.

Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 4100	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:18:00 - [11] - Quote I'd be fairly peeved if they suddenly made the Interbus Shuttle available for "PLEX". Us geeks tend to be collectors of things, and CCP is geek as well, so I have a hard time understanding their mindset behind this latest escapade. It is certainly going to make me rethink things when there is another limited ship available for any reason. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
iskflakes 392	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:29:00 - [12] - Quote Tippia wrote: Have they ever run such a promotion, though? Yes, ishukone shirts come to mind. Tippia wrote: Lesson provided: special-event items are not GÇ£limited editionsGÇ¥. Lesson learned: none. I'm asking CCP to communicate ahead of time which items are special and which are not. Communicating by giving mixed signals then re-releasing items at random as some kind of "lesson" is not good communication. CCP's current approach marginalizes my style of gameplay, so what's the lesson I'm supposed to take from that? That collecting rare items is not a legitimate occupation in EVE Online? Tippia wrote: No. It just implies that they're not something that's not produced in-game. You see "special edition" and think one thing, I see it and think another. My point was this whole system is completely ambiguous, so I'll take this as further evidence of that fact. As I stated before I don't mind what CCP do as long as they make it clear which ships are special and which are not. Tippia wrote: No. Again this is my whole point. I want to invest a huge amount of time in acquiring these rare items, but I can't do it if they get re-released every week. It wouldn't take much for CCP to remove the ambiguity. -
Mr. Orange Band of Freelancers 77	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:31:00 - [13] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I'd be fairly peeved if they suddenly made the Interbus Shuttle available for "PLEX". Us geeks tend to be collectors of things, and CCP is geek as well, so I have a hard time understanding their mindset behind this latest escapade. It is certainly going to make me rethink things when there is another limited ship available for any reason. The marketing department doesn't give a **** about your "geek" collections or Ravens that fire lasers at planets. They just want your green.
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 354	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:32:00 - [14] - Quote Better yet, stop making limited edition ships which sit and gather dust in hangers. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 4100	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:32:00 - [15] - Quote Mr. Orange wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I'd be fairly peeved if they suddenly made the Interbus Shuttle available for "PLEX". Us geeks tend to be collectors of things, and CCP is geek as well, so I have a hard time understanding their mindset behind this latest escapade. It is certainly going to make me rethink things when there is another limited ship available for any reason. The marketing department doesn't give a **** about your "geek" collections or Ravens that fire lasers at planets. They just want your green. Apparently so. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 4100	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:34:00 - [16] - Quote Turelus wrote: Better yet, stop making limited edition ships which sit and gather dust in hangers. They make you angry, bro ? There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13575	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:35:00 - [17] - Quote iskflakes wrote: Yes, ishukone shirts come to mind. You mean the people kept calling GÇ£limited editionGÇ¥ without ever showing where they got the idea that it was one? Quote: 'm asking CCP to communicate ahead of time which items are special and which are not. Simple: none of them are. Or wellGÇª sure, some are GÇ£specialGÇ¥ in that they will not be produced in-game except for at the very end of days when all other ideas for player retention have been tried. Quote: You see "special edition" and think one thing, I see it and think another. Guess which one lies closer to historical fact? Quote: Again this is my whole point. I want to invest a huge amount of time in acquiring these rare items, but I can't do it if they get re-released every week. And there's absolutely nothing to suggest that they will. They're just not limited editions, but rather your bog-standard promotional/vanity items that people still find a way to collect. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space 116	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:35:00 - [18] - Quote War Kitten wrote: The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels. The new ones are all foil bordered pixels. If you were a true collector you could tell the difference. Lol magic the Gathering player? :P
Eli Green The Arrow Project 605	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:48:00 - [19] - Quote inb4 this turns into another tippia vs. XXXX thread wumbo

ISD Gallifreyan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 90	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:49:00 - [20] - Quote I am also a collector so I appreciate what you are saying, but as long as they do not start being seeded they are still special /limited edition. The risk we take as collector is re-issues and found caches of lost assets. I want a guardian vexor for my collection, but if there's one left it will never happen. If there is a limited re-release I might have the chance, and we might see one used in a tournament! ISD Gallifreyan Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


Yusef Yeasef Yosef Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 214	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:02:00 - [21] - Quote Risk should apply to collectables as well. There is always a risk of some more being found/released, so invest at your own risk. Nothing in eve should be risk free.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1865	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:03:00 - [22] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: War Kitten wrote: The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels. The new ones are all foil bordered pixels. If you were a true collector you could tell the difference. Lol magic the Gathering player? :P How'd you guess? :) Spent hundreds on cards, sold them for thousands, bought a rare car. Later, sold the car for more than I paid for it after getting good use out of it. I got good use out of the cards too - won a few prizes in small tournaments. Somehow I don't see collecting database records in a game world on the same level. If the collectors items had inherent value, like the tournament prize ships or the Guardian Vexor, then you've got something worth isk. Collecting Zephyrs and Primae and the like simply because there aren't a lot of them, despite the fact that they're junk, to me, is silly. Most collectors items are gimmicks. Words like "special edition" and "limited edition" should be signals that someone is after your money or just wants to make you feel special. Look for real value, not marketing buzzwords. Anyone want to buy an Echelon? Didn't think so. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1119	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:17:00 - [23] - Quote Eli Green wrote: inb4 this turns into another tippia vs. XXXX thread ^^^ made me smile This is not a signature.
Holgrak Blacksmith Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:19:00 - [24] - Quote I agree, it really annoys me when "limited edition" ships get handed out wholesale. To anyone who claims rare ship collectors need to accept risk too, I put this to you; regular market traders do their thing based on speculation from info released PRIOR to upcoming patches, in pvp we get to look at upcoming patch data then make choices as to which skills to invest in and which ships are going to be hot. But here, ccp, with absolutely no notice, **** collectors out of billions. That's not risk/reward. Today collectors logged on to find several inches of CCP up in their hole.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 638	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:24:00 - [25] - Quote Did something recent precipitate this or is this a delayed reaction?
Jada Maroo Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 1064	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:30:00 - [26] - Quote I still remember a time when we were supposed to be able to skin our own ships and CCP hadn't decided to waste all the ship skins for special edition money grabs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13575	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:32:00 - [27] - Quote Holgrak Blacksmith wrote: I agree, it really annoys me when "limited edition" ships get handed out wholesale. GÇªbut then again, they've never really done that. Something handed out by the thousands as promotion and event-swag is not GÇ£limitedGÇ¥. The only ships that could reasonably be considered GÇ£limited editionGÇ¥ are the unique ships of old and the AT ships, all of which have remained unique or AT-exclusive. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 4100	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:39:00 - [28] - Quote I'm not gonna say this is a ton of RL money involved or anything....... But normally a monthly sub costs $14.95 or a $20 PLEX value. I spent $26.00 for a 30 day GTC from a 3rd Party company, which I never otherwise would have used, just expressly to get the Intaki Syndicate Catalyst. Now they are just being handed out like candy for Buddy Subscriptions. It's not the end of the world or anything, but it sure will stop me from trusting anything CCP says is limited edition from now on, especially with RL currency involved. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
MrDiao SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:44:00 - [29] - Quote CCP should just stop releasing the useless limited edition ships at all. As they don't have any practical use(does not help to enhance the game context) and only make few collectors happy, while waste the resource and make many other players unhappy: people will just think "Well those limited issues are only for rich people I would never gotta use it".
Holgrak Blacksmith Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2013.04.11 19:53:00 - [30] - Quote MrDiao wrote: CCP should just stop releasing the useless limited edition ships at all. As they don't have any practical use(does not help to enhance the game context) and only make few collectors happy, while waste the resource and make many other players unhappy: people will just think "Well those limited issues are only for rich people I would never gotta use it". Your avatar won't stop looking at my groin.



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