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Mishima	Posted - 2005.09.15 04:46:00 - [1] Silly whiners. now missiles are again the best weapons in eve Raven is more unbeatable than ever. I love x-mas :D
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.09.15 04:47:00 - [2] Yeah missiles rock until you try to hit something small and fast... which is way too often for me...
Kythoma	Posted - 2005.09.15 04:49:00 - [3] be happy ..... ..... and try to pick up a guristas arrogator, good luck
Mishima	Posted - 2005.09.15 04:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yeah missiles rock until you try to hit something small and fast... which is way too often for me... exept if you are in any other turret battleship you dont even get a hit. use cruise and you do uber dmg to all things big and small. I love x-mas :D
Hamatitio	Posted - 2005.09.15 05:10:00 - [5] Ravens still hurt. 60% em resist on my armor and I got hit for 100 each :) ..in my deimos (w/o mwd, not approaching) ------ Director of Ganking: Deathrow Inc
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2005.09.15 05:12:00 - [6] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 15/09/2005 05:12:50 Originally by: Mishima Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yeah missiles rock until you try to hit something small and fast... which is way too often for me... exept if you are in any other turret battleship you dont even get a hit. use cruise and you do uber dmg to all things big and small. I've seen a geddon nail a MWDing Crow (~4000m/s) orbiting around it at 12km, so please explain your statement. [edited cos I don't want to be censored for a silly word!]
Ante	Posted - 2005.09.15 05:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Mishima Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yeah missiles rock until you try to hit something small and fast... which is way too often for me... exept if you are in any other turret battleship you dont even get a hit. use cruise and you do uber dmg to all things big and small. I'm moving in my interceptor at 4km/s and still getting hit by battleship guns, yet cruise missiles hit me for 20 damage even when I'm standing still. You claim to know what you're talking about? Not as though I'm the only one these results.
Laetitia Casta	Posted - 2005.09.15 05:50:00 - [8] Could you please do the following: 1) Fly a shuttle to some empty space. 2) Eject and return with your Raven. 3) Destroy the shuttle with cruise missiles. 4) Count how many cruise missiles it took. Then do the following: 1) Fly a shuttle to some empty space. 2) Eject and return with your Tempest/Apoc/Mega. 3) Destroy the shuttle with Large Projectile/Large Laser/Large Hybrid. 4) Count how many shots it took. Please post your results.. I'm ever so curious as to how well you do .
PiniclePanda	Posted - 2005.09.15 05:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Ante I'm moving in my interceptor at 4km/s and still getting hit by battleship guns, yet cruise missiles hit me for 20 damage even when I'm standing still. I'd like to point out something completely left out of this post: skills I think someone with 100k in missile skills won't be doing quite as well as someone with 20M in gunnery. Just a guess worth bringing up.
Breastesess	Posted - 2005.09.15 05:59:00 - [10] Quote: now missiles are again the best weapons in eve Raven is more unbeatable than ever. Well I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about, but there are some cool things like I can snipe at 200k with cruise missiles. Other than that missiles suck (for what I do atm). I wasted 2 months training the new (worthless) skills. I have torp spec 4, cruise spec 4 and all the new ones to 4. Maybe I'm pre-patch spoiled but I find it especially lame that I have to fit for frigs, warp in kill them, warp out. Do the same for cruisers then BS. All the while I'm fighting one ship I'm getting the crap kicked out of me by the others. So if it's a great change that 10k frigs are hitting me for 70 damage with light missiles while I hit them for 20 with cruise/torps, I'm missing the thrill. In any event, after I got bthslapped on a couple of missions and wasted time with the constant and useless refits, I put the Raven on the market and just used my HAC. I wish I could get that missile skill training time back. But then again I could say that about alot of skills. If I am going to shoot and hit for 0 or close to zero damage I think I will do it with lasers cuz they don't cost me anything to miss.
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2005.09.15 06:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Ante I'm moving in my interceptor at 4km/s and still getting hit by battleship guns, yet cruise missiles hit me for 20 damage even when I'm standing still. You claim to know what you're talking about? Not as though I'm the only one these results. I'll be honest, I don't really think this is the way the devs wanted it to be, I think its just the result of a lack of thorough testing (patch didn't go through many changes on SiSi from the original) and maybe a little ignorance. To be honest this must be an unironed bug, because it also happens when that same ship is sitting still with its MWD on.
Brolly	Posted - 2005.09.15 07:09:00 - [12] I love the missile changes, now you can kill cruisers with frigs with even less hassle :D
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.09.15 07:23:00 - [13] Breastesesses, just fit a couple of medium turrets and use your drones, cripes. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Demon Johnson	Posted - 2005.09.15 07:34:00 - [14] Ermm...unable to hit something small&fast with your big launcher/gun? Do like me (and do like supposed by the DEVs): FIT A FEW SMALL GUNS! Yes, it hurts to loose DoT, but two 150mm rail II¦s really help against tacklers (PC or NPC). Every BS needs some FLAK. Remember: No hands...no cookies.
Hiram	Posted - 2005.09.15 07:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 15/09/2005 05:16:02 Originally by: Mishima Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yeah missiles rock until you try to hit something small and fast... which is way too often for me... exept if you are in any other turret battleship you dont even get a hit. use cruise and you do uber dmg to all things big and small. I've seen a geddon nail a MWDing Crow (~4000m/s) orbiting around it at 12km, so please explain your statement. Not that I'm whining much. The missile changes, were needed, and generally turned out okay in the long run, even though I think the devs did it in a silly way [edited cos I don't want to be censored for a silly word!] Thats easy, the MWD increases your sig radius to something the size of a battleship so the missiles can and will have an affect, try that with some one whos smart enough to fit a ab on a crrw and see what happens?
Teles666	Posted - 2005.09.15 07:44:00 - [16] Missiles are great, but as missiles can no longer do decent damage to small ships at any range, any velocity, any trajectory I think turrets should be nerfed to do likewise. It's simply not reasonable for a 1400mm gun to hit something so small at such massive ranges.
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2005.09.15 08:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 15/09/2005 08:01:01 Originally by: Hiram Thats easy, the MWD increases your sig radius to something the size of a battleship so the missiles can and will have an affect, try that with some one whos smart enough to fit a ab on a crrw and see what happens? Yes, but my point is that larger missiles still do the same amount of (crap) damage to an MWDing frigate, whether it is still or if it is moving, where as a turret can take it out quite happily. All I'm saying I'm not conviced that the system is tweaked enough, and that's not necessarily a whine.
fairimear	Posted - 2005.09.15 08:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yeah missiles rock until you try to hit something small and fast... which is way too often for me... welcome to the world of turrets.
Rendill	Posted - 2005.09.15 08:19:00 - [19] Bravo Mishima. I still can't understand why everyone is still crying about missiles. I fit Cruises and have no problem at all killing anything and everything in my path. Fair enough I use painters, but the ship is an orgy of destruction. CEO
suza	Posted - 2005.09.15 08:24:00 - [20] The missile change was desperately needed. I hated some 3 month old character being able to fly a Raven as well as I who had invested 6 months to do so well. However they don't quite work right at the moment. For example I can sometimes set my tackyons up for sniping and pop frigs with np. I cannot do that with cruises whatever I try. You can always get that wrecking shot with a turret, but with missiles its always exactly the same number. The idea is right, the fine tuning is however still out a bit. If they would do a bit more work on them to get the correct ballence, then it will be the perfect. - Fly Hard, Fly fast for tomorrow is another day for freedom!
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.09.15 08:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Hamatitio Ravens still hurt. 60% em resist on my armor and I got hit for 100 each :) ..in my deimos (w/o mwd, not approaching) Yes...but I can put an Ishtar halfway into armor from full shields/armor with my tempest at 40km...with one volley. Ask Devvon Maelstrom if you don't believe me. Now compare the pitiful torp/cruise damage vs. cruisers to that. The sad fact is that the devs overnerfed battleship missiles vs. cruisers. Even worse, the only way around it is with target painters - which take up the slots the raven's supposed to use to tank. If they'd introduced hislot or lowslot target painting modules (the raven does have two unused hislots after putting launchers on there), then it might've been fine - after all, turret ships have both a med slot and a low slot module to increase their weapon tracking; only fair that missile users get that option, too. If the devs aren't interested in this, then I can only suggest increasing torp and cruise damage vs. cruisers by a significant amount. -Wrayeth
Fastbikkel	Posted - 2005.09.15 09:05:00 - [22] I stopped developing my missiles skills after this patch. The little damage i did was neutralized by it, don't wanna put more time in it. -If the enemy is in range, so are you-
Vincent Rainbow	Posted - 2005.09.15 09:28:00 - [23] I am currently chuckling to myself about all those people who sold their Raven BPOs.
elFarto	Posted - 2005.09.15 10:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Mishima Silly whiners. now missiles are again the best weapons in eve Raven is more unbeatable than ever. But it's not very practical for ganking innocent people in Vecamia 150km from the gate, is it? Regards elFarto
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.09.15 10:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Demon Johnson Ermm...unable to hit something small&fast with your big launcher/gun? Do like me (and do like supposed by the DEVs): FIT A FEW SMALL GUNS! Yes, it hurts to loose DoT, but two 150mm rail II¦s really help against tacklers (PC or NPC). Every BS needs some FLAK. Yes, Every BS need some FLAK, however, there isn't any guns suitable for BS's (like LARGE guns), to play the role as flak (point defence). Like for minmatar you got the "dual 425" but that isn't vs small stuff. We should have an "Quad 180" or something like that. (Same applies for all races). Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://kill.hidden-agenda.co.uk/index.php
Rodge	Posted - 2005.09.15 10:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Laetitia Casta Could you please do the following: 1) Fly a shuttle to some empty space. 2) Eject and return with your Raven. 3) Destroy the shuttle with cruise missiles. 4) Count how many cruise missiles it took. Then do the following: 1) Fly a shuttle to some empty space. 2) Eject and return with your Tempest/Apoc/Mega. 3) Destroy the shuttle with Large Projectile/Large Laser/Large Hybrid. 4) Count how many shots it took. Please post your results.. I'm ever so curious as to how well you do . Yeah, this is a very constructive argument. Because when I go out PvPing (or people go NPCing), I/they only ever shoot at shuttles that aren't moving! Maybe a more reasonable test would be to get a corp mate to fly a shuttle and orbit you at 5km. Shoot at him with cruise missiles in a Raven. Then try to shoot him with your large projectile/laser/hybrid. Lets count how many shots it takes..... [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
banannagirl	Posted - 2005.09.15 11:20:00 - [27] Theres ionly one cruiser in the game and that has no MISSILES at all .....Actually Two cruisers - Actually three lol .... Vexor Guradian Vexor and Thorax. Knowledgable people know that Gallente Cruisers are the only crusiers in the game. Missiles suck unless its light missiles on your Breacher frig and Flamebursts ....hitting 89 hit points three missiles bays and a 200 k ship with a webber on killing 55 k rats in 0.4 to 0.1 belts is like killing 10 k rats in a raven. For example im playing with heavy missiles and hitting 30 hit points to 40 hitpoints on 5 to 10 k rats ! This really sux.! regards
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.09.15 11:26:00 - [28] Originally by: banannagirl Theres ionly one cruiser in the game and that has no MISSILES at all .....Actually Two cruisers - Actually three lol .... Vexor Guradian Vexor and Thorax. Knowledgable people know that Gallente Cruisers are the only crusiers in the game. Uh what? The Guardian Vexor has a missile hardpoint. Other cruisers that have no missile capability also include: Augoror Maller Omen Exequror Originally by: banannagirl Missiles suck unless its light missiles on your Breacher frig and Flamebursts Uh, hardly. Originally by: banannagirl For example im playing with heavy missiles and hitting 30 hit points to 40 hitpoints on 5 to 10 k rats ! This really sux.! No offence, but with your skills/setups you'd probably be doing the same with turrets. For 5 to 10k frig rats fit a webber/target painter or use light missiles. Originally by: James Lyrus Complaining about PvP & Pirates in EVE is like complaining about the mines in minesweeper.
Tarmiriel	Posted - 2005.09.15 11:26:00 - [29] How 'bout we spend some MORE time whimpering about what we don't have, what we can't do, instead of actually ENJOYING the game while working with what we do have, and can do?
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.09.15 11:44:00 - [30] maybe Its more powerful vs BS, but a swarm of AF's and inties or even cruisers could tear it apart with much haste.

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