Missiles ?
On a Rokh ?
Missiles on a Rokh, Navy Issue ????

Blasphemy !

Another missile platform would overlap with the Raven...as it stands, the Caldari don't have a gunship-type Navy BS, and the Rokh would fill that role fine.
I think the Rokh's Navy bonus should be something that enhances its existing niche as a long-range gun platform - something interesting. My choice would be a maximum targeting range boost (taking it beyond 250k when fully skilled), with an attendant suite of hybrid optimal, falloff, and tracking bonuses.

An alternative would be to give it an extra mid or two and a bonus to stasis webs, a bit of a durability boost, and a hybrid bonus of some kind suited to a role as a slow, heavy-hitting ship-of-the-line. I'm reluctant to support this alternative though as it doesn't really work well with the Caldari philosophy of "hit 'em before they're even in their lock range", and it wouldn't be able to stand up to the Gallente and Minmatar CQC heavyweights, which should be the kings of that arena.

This reason for this thread is to discuss the idea of a Rokh Navy Issue. And yes, while this thread might have been put up before, I didn't look to check because I have my own ideas to throw around.

My favourite ship in the game is the Rokh, but I was dissapointed to see that (unlike the Raven and Scorpion) there was no Navy Issue counterpart. I would love to see the Caldari Navy colours on this ship.

A few idea's for the Rokh Navy Issue:

Missiles or Hybrids? While the official details of the Rokh state that "Having long suffered the lack of an adequate hybrid platform, the Caldari State's capsule pilots found themselves rejoicing as the Rokh's design specs were released". The Caldari however, focus heavily on missiles. The standard Rokh has 8 weapon hardpoints and a bonus to Large Hybrid Turrets and Shield Resistances. So I would be unsure how to improve on the turret factors other than makig the bonuses greater for them. The other option would be to make the Rokh Navy Issue utilise 8 missile hardpoints (would 8 Cruise Missles on a Rokh be too OP?). Cruise Missles still give the option for this vessel to be a sniping platform?

The Tank. As per the description "the Rokh is always better suited when flying in a group, as its tanking capabilities are much lower when compared to other Caldari battleships". Could the Rokh Navy Issue have a better tank than the three standard Caldari Battleships? Whether this is a bonus to shield recharge rate perharps or possibly a bonus to certain damage types?

The size. Compared to other Battleships, the Rokh is incrediably small, yet the ship itself commands massive respect. Maybe the Navy Issue could be scaled up to a more dominating size. Perhaps to the size of the Apocalypse?

It's not the size that matters, but how you use it

First off, this should of been done in Ships and modules or Features and Ideas.



3 things here.

1. Caldari do not focus on Missiles. Caldari are split between hybrid (rails) and missiles.
2. As the Caldari have the above options to choose from, we are given 2 different lines to go into. The Rokh in this case goes with the Ferox, Moa, Cormorant, and Merlin; whereas the missile line is the Raven, Drake, Caracal, Corax, and Kestrel. Crossing over, as has been pointed out, would overlap the 2 lines.
3. Cruise missiles make for a bad sniping platform due to the flight time required as opposed to all of the gun platforms.



As the Rokh should be used as a sniper boat, should being the key word here, it shouldn't need more of a tank than a close in bird like a torp Raven has. As stated, the Raven will become the brawler for the Caldari line.

*Editors note: While I speak of the rokh being a sniper boat, I would like to note that my rokh is in fact a blaster boat and she's good at what she does.



It's not the size that matters, but how you use it

Missiles on a Rokh... might as well put hybrids on the Raven...

--> Features & Ideas Discussion

But the Raven has specific traits to fit missles. And the Rokh has specific traits to fit hybrids. The Navy issue could be different from the norm. Like how the Scorpion is different from Scorpion Navy Issue...

Firstly to answer your last comment, I agree. But in regard to spaceships, a larger prescence wouldn't hurt.

Point 1 and 2 are fair points. But as for point 3, dont Cruise Missile have a very long distance? I'm new so I could be wrong but I thought that the Cruise Missiles could indeed hit from a large distance?
I agree that keeping it in the line of hybrids is best (I'm a hybrid Caldari pilot myself), I mearly suggested missiles as an option

Blaster Rokh does intriegue me though...

You make baby jesus cry.

Cruise missiles have a decent range, but nothing compared to rail and rail bonuses. The problem that I brought up is not the distance but hitting the target. The difference is that all guns hit instantaneously, but missiles have to travel. Basically at 100km you will have launched 4 volleys before your first volley even hits the target. In the same amount of time the rokh's rails will have fired and hit all 4 times (more like 6 due to cycle time). This means that if you are in a small man there is a good chance that your target will be dead before your 2nd of 4 volleys even hits the target. What this means is basically you will be wasting a lot of ammo.

This means that if you are in a small man...

Missiles ?
On a Rokh ?
Missiles on a Rokh, Navy Issue ????

Blasphemy !

But okay, instead of cruise missles, they could have an extended range bonus for rails? Or maybe even faster traking perhaps?

Well if you want something different... maybe snowballs and fireworks only

Err I know.... Mining Lasers

Not sure if that word was used intentional, but it READS HILARIOUS! XD

I still think letting the CNRo lock from beyond 250k would be best. "Haha, we're out of range! They'll never get us n--wait, is that a..."

Personally, i'd be all in for an agility bonus, because having a red guy flying a rokh in highsec is BADASS !

I did that already, but the fitting is too crippled. :(

Admittedly yes, that would be pretty epic."We have a Rokh Navy Issue on D-Scan ... Omg its just hit me ... Omg ..."



Agile Battleship, hmmm could be interesting if it didn't destroy your fit...

Remember back before the nano nerf what a Mach could do? I think we should turn the Rohk into one of those! 4km+ yes please ;)

Shot guns don't shoot missiles!

I wasn't around then. Wish I had found EVE earlier

I have seen some very awesome things done with a mach back in the day, it could go 4-7km depending on the fit, it was like a kiting battleship lol... but bretter...

of course this was when an inty went at least 9km+ with out slaves.... and everyone only flew vagabonds and falcons really... but you know.. it was fun...

Haha pure speed on a BS. Now that should be brought back. Or at least have it so that its speed is considerably more than the other Caldari BS's.

Yeah I doubt that will ever happen again... granted it was fun but it was broken...


Ahh the good old days.. .


Trit bars were worth more then any moon around..

high grade snakes were worth like almost 5 billion isk..

Oh no doubt that wouldnt happen because if it was the only BS to go super fast it would get nerfed quick again. But perhaps a slight increase to speed? I dont know. Just throwing different ideas around to see what people want/ideas people have for a RoNI haha

stuff about speed

The Rokh, like most of the former tier 3 battleships, is in a very healthy place currently. It hasn't been changed, except for a tweak to the resist bonus. This change is significant, and we are going to dedicate an entire thread to discussing the power of resistance bonuses later in the day. If you want to talk about this bonus here, in relation to the Rokh specifically, feel free. The general idea from our end is that the current bonus to resistance is one of the most powerful ship bonuses in the game. It adds to the power of local tanks (active and passive) as well as remote tanks, which has consistently positioned ships with this bonus at the center of some of the most powerful gameplay available. We feel that the Rokh is a good example of this powerful gameplay, and expect it to thrive despite this change.

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% to large Hybrid Turret optimal range
+4% Shield resistances per level (-1% per level)

Slot layout: 8H, 6M, 5L; 8 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 15000 PWG, 780 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8500 / 7000 / 7500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 6000 / 1250s / 4.8
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 89 / .136 / 105300000 / 19.85s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km / 75 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 500

caldari? speed? you guys are funny!

It could focus around the MJD as a small bonus... 5% less cycle time per level or something like that. It is a sniper's module, after all.

I am surprised nobody has linked this here yet

Make navy issue Rokh.

Introduce 600mm railguns. High fitting reqs which only RNI can pull off without fitting mods.

rails are now cool again

or maybe like the current rokh, but add 2 mids and a ROF bonus. that will allow to make a True long range high damage sniper with a fair amount of tank.

5% ROF/lvl or 5%/lvl damage bonus would make feasible long range high dps sniping ship .. however it might make it a bit OP. Its a shame their isn't a mechanic that only boosts rail DPS.

Oh boy, MORE ships we don't need which will do little more than cause balancing headaches down the road! Brilliant! This is EXACTLY what EVE needs!