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YAMPRASH
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 12:10:00 -
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+1 yes please! I set this account long time ago and I'm soooo bored with this name! and it's in CAPS!!!! please let me change it:) |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
694
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:21:00 -
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If Star Citizen will be actually decent and interesting game resulting in 10-50% EVE subscriptions loss (non-unique games tend to lose 70% of players during first year after release) - I'm sure there will be name change service and many other improvements to keep the company alive.
Just 18 months left to wait \o/ |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
909
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:40:00 -
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I can already rename my ship as much as I want and even in space.
Toons name? -noes, choices = consequences.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
anishamora
Atelierele Grivita
26
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:08:00 -
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TL;DR: no.
Longer version: no.
Eve is a game of decisions and consequences, being able to effectively change your persona is 100% against the spirit of the game. And yes, I know griefers and scammers and thieves can workaround basic background checks but let's not make it even easier.
Your workaround of displaying all the previous info won't work once you get to 3-4 iterations.
Also, with name changes, say hello to fleets completely made of chars named Mike231241, Mike235235, Mike1234125 to make target calling near impossible or at the very least an utter chaos. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
563
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:25:00 -
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Actually, anishamora raises an excellent point. Name changes will be meta'd into the absolute ground, and probably all the way down to the bedrock after that. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
179
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:44:00 -
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There is a big NO to name change service. Reasons: 1. Names have reputation and history. Eve is a game of choices and consequences. 2. Killboards will go haywire: they store pilot's data by their name. They may take note of name change for pilots that entered their APIs, but killboards also store data for those that didnt (data that came from kill mails). 3. Killmails will become unreliable, even if posted by API (killmails contain character names and not their IDs). 4. Name change can and will be abused by players. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Vincenzo Arbosa
Badabing Salvage Corp
29
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Posted - 2013.06.28 19:46:00 -
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I support name changes. I would also support "known Aliases" and having the ability to rename my character to an alias while my "show info" kept my same name for all time (for all you reputation worriers).
This name is a combination of things, but consists of a corruption of a randomly generated name that I set up on a trial account that I never intended to continue. I have, and I dont plan on leaving anytime soon... but I'd sure like to change the name. You shoot em, we loot em.. that's mother truckinGÇÖ right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyLTDAC7fE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz3RpU45_E
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Vexidious
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:50:00 -
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anishamora wrote:TL;DR: no.
Longer version: no.
Eve is a game of decisions and consequences, being able to effectively change your persona is 100% against the spirit of the game.
Last I checked, the game was mostly about griefing, scamming, unfair fights, and lies. It would seem to me that fake identities would fit right in. Frankly, I'm surprised that espionage and fake identities aren't already core game mechanics. |
Jalequin
StarHunt Intrepid Crossing
18
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:24:00 -
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If name changes ever get added as a regular feature then there must be a new unique-unchangeable key make public to everyone.
A history of previous names must be permanently public, as well as an addition to the API which would display such name history publicly. Mass Tests Videos: http://youtu.be/oPs7ZYWVIOA - June 14th http://youtu.be/8awhx-iVO4E --áMay 16th http://youtu.be/0EVS3oOCRcw?t=48s --áApril 11th |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:41:00 -
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Let me guess. OP awoxed a few people and wants to start with a clean slate?
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
366
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:33:00 -
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No. Choices and consequences and so on.
Though this might be a possible solution:
1.) Massive cooldown like 3-5 years (basically once per character). 2.) Old name remains locked and points to new name in database. 3.) Character search for the old name returns new name.
Since this requires some serious tweaking, CCP would be well advised to charge a couple of PLEX for it.
While it requires additional research to avoid scammers, awoxers and the like, it'll still be possible to achieve results after character renaming. CCP Ytterbium: You got it wrong people, you're not supposed to be happy!
You're supposed to riot! Set things on fire with the flame wars! Start the threadnaught! Fire ze missiles! Rage! Let the anger consume you! |
Adunh Slavy
1060
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:03:00 -
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Yes, name changes please |
Juniper Weatherwax
Industrial Waste Removal Services
1
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:33:00 -
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1. Its a game, not real life. 2. When CCP balance the cost of implementation over income generation, you will pay to do a name change. Their choice of cost and conditions.
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Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
100
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:52:00 -
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- I approve of character name changes, but ONLY as part of the buy/sell character process.
- Reputations are hard earned and whether good or bad, they should not be so easily erased.
- The only exception to this is when a character is sold to a different player who obviously has not earned that character's reputation.
- As such, name changing should be a mandatory part of the character sale process, not an optional extra.
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Daugar Draaken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.13 18:32:00 -
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I am in favour of allowing name changes, coupled with gender change.
This should be free, but restricted (expensive). |
Tampopo Field
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:51:00 -
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Destructor1792 wrote:How many others out there have done the same & wish they used a better name for their character?
I'm guessing every single 0.0 large fleet pvper who's name starts with an "A".
Alx Warlord wrote:I'm also pretty sure that the "Key" field is the Name, as you can't have 2 equal names. So, also this would be a nightmare to develop. And how would you identify people changing name every day in your alliance?.... Bad Idea...
This could easily be prevented by limiting the frequency at which the name can be changed. Which was suggested in the OP.
Tchulen wrote:As has been explained ad infinitum on many other threads regarding this request, the name is a unique identifier in both the database and killboards.
The characters could all be given an immutable character spesific id-number to make them identifiable after name change. In addition to the "Name History" tab. This number could be visible next somewhere of the character info and be added to all kill mails, so there would be no mix ups in killboards or databases.
The new id-number would also make it possible to differentiate between a biomassed character and an existing character that have the same name.
Tchulen wrote:To change this would require substantial development time from CCP and from all killboard developers/admins.
Source please. And if it is so, then why bother responding in the first place to make counter arguments? It's not like the thread would go anywhere if true.
Tchulen wrote:This would also break the much loved consequence system which has also been discussed at length within other threads on this very same topic.
No it wouldn't. Characters would remain identifiable after the change. There would be a need to search for characters based on both the name and the id-number, but that's it.
+1 for name change Notification: Because I'm lazy, I have a tendency to post without proof reading. This may result in various errors including but not limited to typos, weird typos, grammatical errors, bizarre sentence structure, words written repeatedly, mislocated paragraphs, pointlessly complicated explanations, general incoherency, and abrupt endings. |
Bata Kylarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.15 01:01:00 -
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Z GTC wrote:Sometimes people get tired of their names and want to change them or they buy that new character off of the bazaar that had all of the skills they wanted but it has the worst name in the universe. Well here is an Idea I had. Provide a name Change Service.
Name Change Service:
-Cost: 1-2 PLEX --The effort required to adjust this information is worth up to 2 PLEX in my opinion.
-Availability: Once a Year per account. --Even though you have 3 slots per account only ONE name change is allowed for that account per year.
-ALL information attached to the character persists. --Employment History --Contacts and Contact Standings --Notes saved by other players --NPC standings --Portrait
The only thing that changes is the displayed name of the character.
I think that this service could end up being very popular. Not only does it give players the ability to identify with there characters again, or identify with their newly aquired character they bought off of the Bazaar. It is also a new source of income for CCP.
As long as all character information remains through the name changing process and the service is restricted to once per year per account this wont be majorly exploitable by corporate thieves and griefers. Before people start to argue with me on this point; If people wanted to steal/grief they could find much easier ways than renaming their character. An example? Buying a new character, a service which is already provided by every other player.
If anyone has any constructive feedback feel free to post questions/concerns.
Haha, I take it that you would put the same quantity of energy in any of yr future efforts to legalize in real live that every citizen should have the right to buy and obtain a fully new pasport, just on any next street corner? Some people do not possess any understanding of "helicopter view", so let me explain in short: eve succeeded real great in developing a virtual scifi world(!), but if one allows new pasports (names) in easy standard ways, well, that would give enormeous many problems. Imagine, you get up one day (real life talking here, for comparing), you go outside and notices that some of the characters (your neighbours, whom you got to know during the last months or years) moved, changed their names, and all of this happened "just overnight"??? Well, such would indeed be a real possibility in some of the still existing Babana-Republics...but better let us not try to change EVE in some Banana Galaxy (i.e: without any oversight at all, people having to invest more of their time "in just fact-findings"???...and I would not even mention the far greater possibilities presented by such for not intended scams etc.
WHATS IN A NAME ANYWAY? (....you now know) |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
675
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Posted - 2013.07.15 02:21:00 -
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As a person with a silly name I support this notion.
How about the API stores the previous names of the account so the recruiters can see who they are really recruiting. So if they don't do their research they will get burnt anyways. |
Tampopo Field
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:21:00 -
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Bata Kylarro wrote:Z GTC wrote:Orginal post. Haha, I take it that you would put the same quantity of energy in any of yr future efforts to legalize in real live that every citizen should have the right to buy and obtain a fully new pasport, just on any next street corner?
First off, Eve is not real life. Secondly, the suggested mechanic would allow a single name change per active account per year. And the name change would be obtainable from CCP, not from some shady character idling at a station in Amamake.
Bata Kylarro wrote:Some people do not possess any understanding of "helicopter view", so let me explain in short: eve succeeded real great in developing a virtual scifi world(!), but if one allows new pasports (names) in easy standard ways, well, that would give enormeous many problems.
What problems? Any identification problems caused by name changes could be fixed by adding an immutable id-number to all characters. And in case you didn't know, it's possible to have several accounts, alts, and characters are purchesable from character bazaar, so it's not like anonymity is anything new. Not everyone plays with one character as their main whom they use for almost everything.
Bata Kylarro wrote:Imagine, you get up one day (real life talking here, for comparing), you go outside and notices that some of the characters (your neighbours, whom you got to know during the last months or years) moved, changed their names, and all of this happened "just overnight"???
First of all, it is legal to change your name in many countries. I'm guessing most, but am too lazy to fact check that. Secondly, you are allowed to move without informing your nozy neibours what you are doing. Thirdly, like I stated before, EVE is not real life. Fourthly, you sound like one of those creeps who watch all their neibours with binoculars all day long.
Bata Kylarro wrote:Well, such would indeed be a real possibility in some of the still existing Babana-Republics...but better let us not try to change EVE in some Banana Galaxy (i.e: without any oversight at all, people having to invest more of their time "in just fact-findings"???...and I would not even mention the far greater possibilities presented by such for not intended scams etc.
The last time I checkd, there was nothing in EULA about preventing scams. Also, if the immutable id-number that was suggested in numerous posts was added, the cahnge wouldn't make it any more difficult to do a background check the it is now. Unless ofcourse the person doing the background check is unfamiliar with or doesn't pay any attention to EVE meta, in which case he'll fail even if the name change mechanic isn't added. And since when was there any oversight aside from "don't use exploits" and "don't post inapropriate pictures and ascii art in local, if someone is likely to report it." Notification: Because I'm lazy, I have a tendency to post without proof reading. This may result in various errors including but not limited to typos, weird typos, grammatical errors, bizarre sentence structure, words written repeatedly, mislocated paragraphs, pointlessly complicated explanations, general incoherency, and abrupt endings. |
Tampopo Field
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:22:00 -
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Bata Kylarro wrote:WHATS IN A NAME ANYWAY? (....you now know)
Try asking that from someone who always gets primaried in larger docorine fleets because his name is something like "Aabroman." Or from someone who named their character during trial and didn't thanik that the dumb name would be following them for years. Notification: Because I'm lazy, I have a tendency to post without proof reading. This may result in various errors including but not limited to typos, weird typos, grammatical errors, bizarre sentence structure, words written repeatedly, mislocated paragraphs, pointlessly complicated explanations, general incoherency, and abrupt endings. |
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Bata Kylarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:36:00 -
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Tampopo Field wrote:Bata Kylarro wrote:WHATS IN A NAME ANYWAY? (....you now know) Try asking that from someone who always gets primaried in larger docorine fleets because his name is something like "Aabroman." Or from someone who named their character during trial and didn't thanik that the dumb name would be following them for years.
Seems that some people did not grasp the very essence of what I meant to say in my earlier posting, so I better spell it out in more detail:
Of course EVE does not fully reflect the real world, though it comes close where the human entities inhabiting it are concerned (in short: players know what (and whom) to watch out for and can anticipate in time etc. etc.).
What is in a name? I think not much, in fact it is character that "fills up" that "shell" (= name). As to any unfortunate problems occurring while being placed in fleets, well, I consider that as some possible technical issue, which can be tacled by programming (suggest that you channel that in some other thread), but such has nothing to do with the issue at hand re changing character names.
In the past I myself also purchased a second character from the character bazaar providing me with an enormous boost to almost exactly the kind of skill-points I wanted. And I also was confronted with a character name I would not particularly choose myself if I would have the choice (even the gender was wrong!), but do I care? Not realy, since it is only "a name", and the name, well, I could live with it since it was not a realy horrible or strange name (though I checked in foreign languages whether the name could mean something I would not like, to be fully sure, proved ok).
I have nothing against scams in a virtual world. But opening the door for realy RIDICULOUS EASY unlimited, almost uncontrolled scamming made possible by easily changed character names, well, that we realy should want to avoid since such should not have a place in an excellent virtual scifi-world as created by EVE. And you can state: "the character change can be checked somewhere in the files"...well, have got news for you: most people do not even check such(!!), since they are here for fun and not to be some shadow of Sherlock Holmes dedicating 90% of his time on-line in defensive fact-findings! Most would like to spent that same time to reading Eve University in order to obtaining a better understanding of the real interesting issues.
And, if one has purchased some extra character through the character bazaar, well, in case of any negative entries re history one can allways refer to the character bazaar forum and the entries made there re the buying/selling of some character at some point in time(!) Sounds easy? Well, that is, because it is!
Furthermore, all kinds of presently unknown problems would go occurring in the case of the easy change of character names would get to be "the new normal" (this would not even meet the high standards set for any succesfully created virtual world). And, ever heard of Murphy's Law: whatever can go wrong will go wrong (so, try to learn from this).
About'"the helicopter view" obviously not possessed by some commenting this thread: this thread counts some 80 comments (say, some 70 in favour)...that would make it only 0,023333333333% of all subscribers. So, time to ask yourself: "do I possibly miss the real point here??"hahaha
Agree, not all is a full 100% perfect in any virtual world, and neither is it the real world. So, characters are bought and sold through the character bazaar (for comparison: real world, if you pay the required amount of money and know the right people, one indeed couldn obtain a new pasport), but, setting the doors wide open for such would obviously be a grave mistake. Or picture it like this: legalize (=making it the new normal) for salesmen going door to door selling guns and all kinds of dr%^s....door to door. Would not be a wise thing to do if you would ask me
Last: I am convinced that those who realy have a good (or even excellent level) of understanding the mechanics beneath the surface of Eve, well, they would not even bother/care so much about "the name (or gender) of their character(s). Rises the question: why then are only 0,0233333% thus an extremely small part of all players, fixed on and subjectively motivated to get their character names changed? Why is that....
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Tulak Thul
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:11:00 -
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TheSkeptic wrote:Ruze wrote: And of course, they need to clean the name registar too for any characters on accounts which haven't been active in over a period of time.
Don't have to delete the character, just have them rename for free when they come back online. If I take a break for a few years and then come back to find someone had stolen my name I'd be rather annoyed so no.
Then be annoyed. Paying customers should have preference over non-paying. |
Yulinda Ambraelle
GDIPMC
2
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:27:00 -
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I agree to name changes with the various rules and restrictions that would be imposed to regulate it. I'm not one of those that would abuse it anyway. I only wanted it because I thought of a better name after the fact and that is my ill fortune, but it was a factor in my trial subscription, since I didn't come up with the name until recently and the trial I was on ran out months ago.
Again, EVE is the Wild Wild West, and Everybody Versus Everybody, so naturally, there exists in this kind of environment, a means for being able to change identities. Now my reasons have nothing to do with what some would intend for more nefarious purposes or to perhaps escape being hunted as such, but lets face it: all the this whining over such a change is pointless. If CCP chose to implement something like that, they would ensure that it couldn't be abused and that it wouldn't imbalance the game any more than people playing pirates hunting miners who are not bothering anyone by mining for their own interestes in null sec space do. My point is that it might add another level to bounty hunting in that you actually have to work that much harder to find your mark if that person really doesn't want to be found. And what if they are trying to turn over a new leaf? Or maybe they are just trying to escape justice and continue their life of crime. Its all a wash in the Wild Wild West right? E.V.E.
It is what it is. And since money is the bottom line in any business venture, and EVE online is ultimately a business venture, if CCP decides they can make money by offering name changes to satisfy their clientelle for the various reasons they might change their names, are people REALLY going to stop playing just because of that when they have invested so much time and energy and money into the game. Really? So quit yer bitching and just buck up and an roll with the punches the way we are all meant to in the EVE universe. It is what it is.
Enjoy! and if you don't like my opinion, well here, have a nice cup of shut the F up! |
Dr Gidazu
Eternum Noctem
2
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:42:00 -
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I fully support name changes as long as there is a name history tied to pilot license number, just like there is a corporation history. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:52:00 -
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[quote=Ruze... Don't have to delete the character, just have them rename for free when they come back online.[/quote]
No freakin' way!
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:01:00 -
[86] - Quote
Ruze wrote:One way or another, character names need the option to be changed. And of course, they need to clean the name registar too for any characters on accounts which haven't been active in over a period of time.
Don't have to delete the character, just have them rename for free when they come back online.
Is this one of those "years ago I wasn't good at creating original names but I've since improved and now want to be Luke Skywalker!" cases? |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:28:00 -
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There is SO MUCH FEAR in the responses of those against changing names. The OP proposed various restrictions, and safety measures to ensure that the name change does NOT ERASE a character's history, only the name. Others proposed that a tab be added on the Character info sheet to include past names.... A.K.A.'s.
I mean, look at the safeguards! It's expensive to change names. Name changes can only occur once a year on a toon, and an account can only change the name of a toon once a year. Characters that are bough and sold keep their histories. A buyer can buy the toon and change the name, but is stuck with the AKA's and history of that toon.... Plus many more proposals for safety features to prevent abuse, etc.
What more can one ask?
It is abject fear of change and of the new that causes the knee-jerk replies of "no" from some of the players. So much fear that they become hostile, as if someone has trespassed on their property and is rummaging in their tool shed in the backyard.... Only thing is, the guy going through the tool shed is the gardener who, not five minutes before, knocked on the door and reported in for work in the backyard, and has permission to use some of the tools in the tool shed...
Name changes with all of the safeguards are fine by me. I give my vote of approval. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
750
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:36:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote: as if someone has trespassed on their property and is rummaging in their tool shed in the backyard.... Only thing is, the guy going through the tool shed is the gardener who, not five minutes before, knocked on the door and reported in for work in the backyard, and has permission to use some of the tools in the tool shed...
WTF are you on about??????
And why is it that anyone who opposes this is afraid? People don't 'fear' name changes, they just believe that a name change system would be bad for the game and only bring extra complexity that would not make for an enjoyable game experience.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Sarmatiko
1348
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:44:00 -
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IGÇÖm just going to leave this here: http://pay.tiancity.com/eve/Service/RoleRenameMenu.aspx screenshot
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:51:00 -
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I hope we're next to get the service. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
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