stop smoking please

Regolis... You're significantly overlooking the other benefits of lasers.... Like ammo usage. Plus Amarr ships tend to have more powergrid to fit the larger guns.

By all means argue that lasers use too much cap, but suggesting they should have the same usage as Hybrids is bonkers.

Your post makes absolutely no reference to staying in scale with Dual Beam / 350mm scaling.
I'm still not certain what you are even getting at.

Fitting and cap usage on one weapon type can't be compared to another - they're different weapon systems?

In short: Cap problem should be 'solved' through modules, not the weapons/hulls. Lasers have a revision coming up in the years to come so might as well leave them and look elsewhere for more generalized solutions.

And what the point of this ? If your ship is more effective with 2ACR, why should it be able to fit the guns without the ACR ?

Isn't the abaddon a better ship for your job for example ?

What about the cap life of this Rokh BTW ? I bet it's not even half of your apoc !

@Regolis
I don't care about the name of your weapon, I want actual fits to made a comprehensive comparison : something which make sense in the actual game we play, because obviously none of you care about comparing relevant thing between themselves and stoped at the "my ship is too difficult to fit, that's unfair" observation.

2) Why 2 times ? What is the objective of such a number ?

3) What is "in line" ? Isn't it in line already ?

I have to ask: What the hell is a person doing in a battleship with level 3 basic skills, especially an Amarr ship?

Whenever someone asks me about starting skill queues, my answer invariably is "decide on a ship/class and train everything related to a minimum of 4, optimize by going to 5".

What you are really commenting on is CCP's efforts to make the "end-game" ever more accessible to newcomers by reducing skill requirements and what not, giving the poor sods the idea that BS are viable after just a few months of unorganized queuing.

On topic:
- Lasers in general: With more and more ships losing the cap bonus there has to be an option other than injectors to bridge the chasm, prev. suggested batteries and/or doubling rig effect but anything goes as far as I am concerned.
- Pulses are by and large fine. Reasonable fittings, cap drain could be balanced a bit better against dps but a minor adjustment, overall good performance.
- Beams need something to make the sacrifices needed worthwhile. Dps can only be increased by increasing alpha (or cap use!) so not applicable, fittings need to be high'ish as LR guns are harder and Amarr grid is generally larger so we are left with improving tracking as in "there is no doubt what you want if tracking at LR is a priority!"

Something I just realized : lens in laser turrets only reduce cap use whereas charges in hybrid turrets only *increase* it.

So, with standard lens, a laser turrets will see a 50% reduction to the capacitor need.
Whereas with antimatter charges hybrid turrets will see a 50% increase to the capacitor need.

If lasers are meant to use more cap than hybrids, then we can determine these conditions :
Call LC the cap used by laser turrets and HC those of hybrid turrets.
So we need LC*0,5 > HC*1,5 <=> LC > HC * 1,5/0,5
<=> LC > HC *3

This is the proof of why we need laser turret capacitor need to be three times hybrid turret capacitor need
If we don't meet this LC > HC *3, then hybrid turrets will use more cap on the edge cases while amarr ships still have largely superior capacitor than caldari or gallente ships.

That also mean that in most case (highest damage ammo), laser turrets only use 50% more capacitor than hybrid turrets, which is a lot more, but not so much as three times more.

The only case where laser use three times more cap than hybrid turrets (as some amarr lobyist want us to believe) is when you use multifreq lens in the laser versus lead charge in the hybrid : an obviously unfair comparison.

The thing to remember is that base cap use stat is a worse case for laser whereas it's a best case for hybrid.

Summary: Lasers are not nearly as badly off as many people are saying. In fact many of them do not need any buffs.

you are kidding right ?

1. Tachyon Beams have a Far better Tracking then 425 Rails
2. Zero Reload Time
3. with T1 Crystals Zero Costs
2. Tachyon Beams can reach 1000 DPS with T1 Crystals on a Abaddon
3. Abaddon has 26250 powergrid. Hyperion has 19687. you think about that ?
4. The PG difference between Apoc and Mega is similar
5. Amarr ships has a better cap
6. the T2 and Faction Crystals are Cheaper for the number of Shots in Compare to Hybrid ammo.

so you have 18% more dps, more tracking, less reload time, less ammo cost, more alpha dmg, and ships with more PG and Cap, and just want more advantages ?

then please cry for a railgun buff too. because if ccp listen on you, railguns will be outclassed.


the 1200 dps Beam Laser Nightmares Just laughts at my Railgun Hyperion/Kronos in 0.0 farming

then give gallente a unique weapon with separately balance and 18% more dps

Rails.
Dual 250.
350
425.

Lasers.
Dual Heavy.
Mega
Tachyon.

Hey look, 425's are actually the match to Tachyons. Don't care which side of the argument you are trying to back here, as I really can't work out your point, but please, work with the actual facts.