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infused
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Posted - 2005.09.20 20:10:00 -
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These threads want to make me steal your ore. Seriously... quit mining in 1.0 space with that barge of yours.
EVE is risk, there isn't any for you guys.
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AKaaron10
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Posted - 2005.09.20 20:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Siren Shiva
Those players who are not afraid of placing their assets in a dangerous situation once in awhile are having more fun than you. 
Exactly!
AK
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2005.09.20 20:13:00 -
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Naming and shameing
Clownkiller Memember of frekin nightmeare, Just nicked my ore not once but twice and there was none of ur fing risk for him.
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Sunli
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Posted - 2005.09.20 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: infused
EVE is risk, there isn't any for you guys.
So then Eve is not risk.
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AKaaron10
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Posted - 2005.09.20 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Siren Shiva
Orethiefing as a career takes a certain kind of player. That player doesnt like being told they cant do what they enjoy even if CCP has allowed it for the longest time. Eve needs 'griefers'. It's a balancing trick but if it goes the wrong way Eve suffers and all the poor homeless secure containers and hauler friends will weep in their loneliness.
I like that there are ore thiefs. It does make what I do alittle more engaging. I also like the idea of settling the score. EVE has a good set-up right now RE: the relationship between mining, the different containers, and the risk of getting de-ored.
AK
Eve Mail me for hauling yer knick-knacks |
AKaaron10
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Posted - 2005.09.20 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: infused
These threads want to make me steal your ore. Seriously... quit mining in 1.0 space with that barge of yours.
EVE is risk, there isn't any for you guys.
 I'll give you 1 million ISK if you can successfully steal one unit of anything I mine. I'll give you another million if you avoid getting blown up for a month afterwards. 
AK
Eve Mail me for hauling yer knick-knacks |
Unknown Subject
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Posted - 2005.09.21 05:35:00 -
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SECURE CANS! |
Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.21 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Naming and shameing
Clownkiller Memember of frekin nightmeare, Just nicked my ore not once but twice and there was none of ur fing risk for him.
Declare war on him.
Scared?
Shut up.
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Delana Mosalaine
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Posted - 2005.09.21 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Naming and shameing
Clownkiller Memember of frekin nightmeare, Just nicked my ore not once but twice and there was none of ur fing risk for him.
I thought this was not allowed 
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Minerdog
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Posted - 2005.09.21 11:46:00 -
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This is just asking for trouble. People are going to go and steal ore with the intentions of starting a fight. Steal a little ore, stupid miner decides to attack, ore theft blows him up.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.21 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Minerdog
This is just asking for trouble. People are going to go and steal ore with the intentions of starting a fight. Steal a little ore, stupid miner decides to attack, ore theft blows him up.
Sounds fine to me.
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spRAYed
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Posted - 2005.09.21 12:04:00 -
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Ok i dont now **** about mining and cleaning out a belt fully doesn't make me cum...
But y not put 20 or 200000 secure cans 150-200 k above a belt? when ur full...dump it in one of many secure cans and insta back on the place where u had ur lovely mining thingy doin what it does..
Then collect everything whenever u want in a hauler..saves u a lot of big warps and u dont need an alt/buddy.
Then there will be a problem with too many canners in the belt where ive seen a post about aswell....great...
And...how often does ur ore get stolen? Make a new can and start over...u can make the the damage up with the time u normally spend cryin here...
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Longasc
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Posted - 2005.09.21 15:04:00 -
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People want huge secure containers and/or an Alt Hauler to take care of the mined ore.
The best thing would be to implement on-site transformation of ore into money.
Also, mining should give five times the money/reward for zero risk.
I consider myself a carebear, but it is ridiculous to whine if you just made 4000 m¦ ore and are not able to have friends or alt characters to help you haul it away safely.
Heck, people want to the ore to secure-fly, refine and sell by itself.
Introduce some risk for ore thieves. Give miners the ability to fight back. Damn, this would mean they would have some non-mining drones, mount a single laser or have a noob friends frigate guard them from the evil ore thief in his up-to-the-teeth armed(&dangerous) industrial.
I am greatly in favor of miners being able to fight back ore thieves, but it seems as if they do not want to do anything for their money.
They want the money to go straight to their account, getting help, being prepared to defend ore or to secure it - hell no!
Risk vs Reward. People who jetcan know what can happen if an indy pilot passes by.
Besides that, I absolutely agree to everything Avon said, he was just not as sarcastic as I just was.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2005.09.21 15:40:00 -
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There is no plan.
Flee now!
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Ed Hudkins
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Posted - 2005.09.21 18:02:00 -
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But what if you're flying and fighting with rats, in low sec. sectors it's funny and it's a good training before starting PvP. Today I was flying from one asteroid belt to another and someone called me an ore thief :-( And only because he saw me flying from one can to another ( rats drops... )...
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.09.22 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 22/09/2005 04:27:11
Ore thieving will only stop when miners don't eject cans of ore to be stolen, period.
Ofcourse once the aggression change is in, thieves will beopen game for the miner, but really, what miner is going to have a setup on their mining ship to take down an ore thief? Not to mention the thief will warp to a base, dock, sell, and sit there till the flag wears. :P
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sissel
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Posted - 2005.09.22 10:03:00 -
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they has uppgraded the ship inventory more types who uses loots of minerals" but they has not uppgraded the secure cans.
1 make a bigger secure can who holds more than 1 cycle of ore
2 make a 50 k can with a 2 or 3 digit password who is 10k m3 flattpackaged kosts 500 k isk and decays in 24 hours.
its not posible to de ancor it when packaged out.
it hangs out there to its destroyd in 24 h
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Kalil d'Maelstromo
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Posted - 2005.09.22 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: spRAYed
Ok i dont now **** about mining and cleaning out a belt fully doesn't make me cum...
But y not put 20 or 200000 secure cans 150-200 k above a belt? when ur full...dump it in one of many secure cans and insta back on the place where u had ur lovely mining thingy doin what it does..
Then collect everything whenever u want in a hauler..saves u a lot of big warps and u dont need an alt/buddy.
Then there will be a problem with too many canners in the belt where ive seen a post about aswell....great...
And...how often does ur ore get stolen? Make a new can and start over...u can make the the damage up with the time u normally spend cryin here...
Ah well how many people will listen to sense instead of b*tching and moaning?
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Greyshadow
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Posted - 2005.09.22 11:32:00 -
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Well after last night when some ore thievies took kindly to my container I noticed that there is no way of doing anything, ok we know you can't fire without concord helping them, you can't add bounty if they are 0.0+, you can't start a war as they are in a npc corp.
So tell me what are you meant to do?
I normally read these threads and have noted jetcan mining is a risk and that ccp don't care as jetcan mining isn't really meant to happen as if you jet something it means you don't want it.
I also know that as stated above secure cans are the method that ccp intended for mining.
All that aside though there should be at least something that we can do ie bounty etc etc because at current ore thievies run about laughing as technicial you can't do anything unless you wish to lose a ship and more isk.
Would I say its a loop hole.....yes a bloody big one!
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Kalil d'Maelstromo
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Posted - 2005.09.22 11:38:00 -
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Do they say something along the lines of:
"Ahahahaha, you didn't take 10mins to anchor and PW 4 GSC's lol, u farking nub!"
I dunno I'm just trying to reconstruct the crime from your description.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.22 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Greyshadow
Well after last night when some ore thievies took kindly to my container I noticed that there is no way of doing anything, ok we know you can't fire without concord helping them, you can't add bounty if they are 0.0+, you can't start a war as they are in a npc corp.
So tell me what are you meant to do?
I normally read these threads and have noted jetcan mining is a risk and that ccp don't care as jetcan mining isn't really meant to happen as if you jet something it means you don't want it.
I also know that as stated above secure cans are the method that ccp intended for mining.
All that aside though there should be at least something that we can do ie bounty etc etc because at current ore thievies run about laughing as technicial you can't do anything unless you wish to lose a ship and more isk.
Would I say its a loop hole.....yes a bloody big one!
If you posted from a player corp you would have more credibility tbh.
The answer is, shoot them anyway - or use sec cans, or mine in quiet systems, or get a friend to haul your ore, or keep your ore in your hold ...
Your failure to take precautions allowed the thief to take your ore.
You choose your mining style.
You take the risk.
Who's fault is it that you leave the stuff you want floating in space?
It is like trying to blame a vulture for eating corpses.
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Delana Mosalaine
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Posted - 2005.09.22 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
It is like trying to blame a vulture for eating corpses.
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Hulredi
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Posted - 2005.09.22 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hulredi on 22/09/2005 15:01:09
ok this is what I was told along time ago and dont remember who told me sorry I am old.
Jet cans were not intended for mining they were intended for garbage that nobody wanted, but the miner adapted as you can make more isk/hr if you jet can mine over any other means. CCP was going to change it but then the ore thief came along and it created a risk for the jet can miners and CCP felt that it was a good fix for the jet can mining 'exploit' as they referred to it. So please stop complaining about it or CCP might remove the use of Jet can Mining.....or not anyway.
Also read my thread on Ore Theft Avoidance that is stickied in this forum.
H
Hulredi
Ore Theft Avoidance Thread |
Alfarin
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Posted - 2005.09.22 22:31:00 -
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Hi All,
In my opinion a player who jetcans ore must respect the fact that there's the risk of theft if adequate precautions are not taken (secure cans and a buddy hauling). Likewise with the implementation of criminal flagging ore thieves must understand that there will be a risk if they steal ore. As has been suggested (sorry, forgot who said it) this could be "worked around" with a thief in a BS and a buddy hauler.
The underlining themes here are those of risk and teamwork. If a miner has a buddy hauling they can do a 50%-50% split and still make a lot of isk (as they are more productive), while at the same time mitigating the risk of ore thieves. On the other hand if an ore thief has a few buddies he can probably steal ore without any serious risk.
From my (admittedly little) experience in the Eve universe those two words define the foundations upon which it is built. Without risk there's little need for teamwork, and without teamwork there's little way to mitigate risk.
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SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2005.09.23 07:56:00 -
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what the heck? dejavu?
This issue has been beaten to a pulp at these forums. give up already.
Don't get in my Hit List. It's hard to get out.
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Alfarin
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Posted - 2005.09.23 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: SULAN BARHIR
...This issue has been beaten to a pulp at these forums. give up already...
As this was my first post on the topic I find your comments to be a little insensitive and short-sighted. Each and every person is permitted to post their opinion on any topic (subject to moderation, of course). If you have any issues with this then I suggest that you email your grievence to [email protected].
In the meantime if anybody has a contribution to make to the thread, please continue to do so. This is an active topic as criminal flagging for ore theft has yet to be introduced, and as such everybodies opinion counts. It is also likely to be an active issue afterwards as people will be posting with feedback on how it works, so it's likely to be "beaten" a little more in new threads yet Sulan.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.23 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alfarin
Originally by: SULAN BARHIR
...This issue has been beaten to a pulp at these forums. give up already...
As this was my first post on the topic I find your comments to be a little insensitive and short-sighted. Each and every person is permitted to post their opinion on any topic (subject to moderation, of course). If you have any issues with this then I suggest that you email your grievence to [email protected].
In the meantime if anybody has a contribution to make to the thread, please continue to do so. This is an active topic as criminal flagging for ore theft has yet to be introduced, and as such everybodies opinion counts. It is also likely to be an active issue afterwards as people will be posting with feedback on how it works, so it's likely to be "beaten" a little more in new threads yet Sulan.
Point is you broke the forum rules.
Duplicate thread.
Naughty you.
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Alfarin
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Posted - 2005.09.23 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Point is you broke the forum rules. Duplicate thread. Naughty you.
*Alfarin is confused.
Where sorry, could you please clarify how I have duplicated a thread? I referenced both yours and Siren Shiva's replies and posted my opinion, nothing more. Thanks in anticipation.
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Lady Raven
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Posted - 2005.09.23 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: AKaaron10
Originally by: Siren Shiva
Orethiefing as a career takes a certain kind of player. That player doesnt like being told they cant do what they enjoy even if CCP has allowed it for the longest time. Eve needs 'griefers'. It's a balancing trick but if it goes the wrong way Eve suffers and all the poor homeless secure containers and hauler friends will weep in their loneliness.
I like that there are ore thiefs. It does make what I do alittle more engaging. I also like the idea of settling the score. EVE has a good set-up right now RE: the relationship between mining, the different containers, and the risk of getting de-ored.
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Kiyirari
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Posted - 2005.09.23 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kiyirari on 23/09/2005 17:57:12
Originally by: AKaaron10
I'll give you 1 million ISK if you can successfully steal one unit of anything I mine. I'll give you another million if you avoid getting blown up for a month afterwards.
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