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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
365
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Posted - 2013.04.17 19:10:00 -
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Well Falcons couldn't jam from off grid so I don't think it's the same. Besides falcon alts are typically unneeded in today's game because OGB are so OP. You don't see falcon alts nearly as often as you used to, well unless you go to Mara
It's the fact that people think they will be bringing them from off grid to on grid, I don't see that happening. If it does I will be very surprised.
Zarnak Wulf wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Agree with OP , boost bitches can suck it  We will never see anything except a mild nerf to T3 boosts, they will stay off grid and not much will change except maybe more use of command ships. Removing the off grid ability will NEVER happen, CCP like any smart company will not do anything that will lower their profit. Thousands of accounts will be canceled if they do. People used that same argument before Falcons got nerfed too.
derp? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
860
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Posted - 2013.04.17 20:24:00 -
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same rationale we should list the SP every char has too or any implants that contributed to it, how about a shout out for the marketeer who sold the ship that was used to kill that 'innocent victim' or the poor sod who ran a half million batch of ammo or.. or... or
buhu htfu :D
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Maximus Hashur
n.Die
The Periphery
32
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:35:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:same rationale we should list the SP every char has too or any implants that contributed to it, how about a shout out for the marketeer who sold the ship that was used to kill that 'innocent victim' or the poor sod who ran a half million batch of ammo or.. or... or
buhu htfu :D
Dude your referencing the economy of the game, and it has nothing to do with the post. Listing implants in a pilots head would be appropriate IF those implants added to the ability and operational characteristics of the ship itself.
In effect, ANY contributing factor influencing both (or all) combatants of an engagement should be shown. I know this is unrealistic and CCP will most likely never do it, but it is a logical idea, if you are of the belief that all info relating to the participants of a fight should be shown.
What started this post is me raging after a CNH nailed my 10mn arty thrasher in a 1v1 (or so I thought). His shields dropped in about 3-4 cycles of my arty, and then I proceeded to watch as his armor - a frigates armor regardless of it being faction or not - took at least 10 cycles of my arty at a range of 10 klicks. I know because he had me dual webbed as I burned away and I had him webbed as well so we locked each other together at 10. Any non- boosted "vanilla" CNH would not have survived that and the other guy even admitted it in local and acted all elite.
He very simply is not the better pilot in that situation because he needed his booster to win. Bullshit.
Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
431
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Posted - 2013.04.17 23:54:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:chatgris wrote:Diesel47 wrote:The pilots won't stop using them if they suddenly appear on killmails. Actually, many would. A t1 frigate vs t1 frigate kill is worth 20 points on BC. A frigate + loki vs frigate would be worth something like 2-5 points. Getting more points on BC does not make you any better player. BC ranking tells something about player but it is not exact number to tell if you are good at pvp it just tells that you are doing something right to get more points than others. Completely correct - I don't consider myself a better player than someone else just because I have 100 ranks on them. However, if it wasn't for killboards and ranking, I probably would have stopped playing a while ago. It gives me a fun goal in this game.
my current goal is to wait that my rank goes lower |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
570
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:03:00 -
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Maximus Hashur wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:same rationale we should list the SP every char has too or any implants that contributed to it, how about a shout out for the marketeer who sold the ship that was used to kill that 'innocent victim' or the poor sod who ran a half million batch of ammo or.. or... or
buhu htfu :D Dude your referencing the economy of the game, and it has nothing to do with the post. Listing implants in a pilots head would be appropriate IF those implants added to the ability and operational characteristics of the ship itself. In effect, ANY contributing factor influencing both (or all) combatants of an engagement should be shown. I know this is unrealistic and CCP will most likely never do it, but it is a logical idea, if you are of the belief that all info relating to the participants of a fight should be shown. What started this post is me raging after a CNH nailed my 10mn arty thrasher in a 1v1 (or so I thought). His shields dropped in about 3-4 cycles of my arty, and then I proceeded to watch as his armor - a frigates armor regardless of it being faction or not - took at least 10 cycles of my arty at a range of 10 klicks. I know because he had me dual webbed as I burned away and I had him webbed as well so we locked each other together at 10. Any non- boosted "vanilla" CNH would not have survived that and the other guy even admitted it in local and acted all elite. He very simply is not the better pilot in that situation because he needed his booster to win. Bullshit.
If you know anything about ships and modules, you will know very quickly when someone is using pirate implants and ogb's. Confirmation of this is not needed. At least Nex was honest about it being an ego thing. Personally i will come clear about my boosts/implants with no hesitation, for example : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16870705
So going back to my earlier post, i engaged and killed a keres while inside engagement range of 2 hostile Gilas and a Rupture. Shouldnt they, also be reported on the km for ego purposes? Shouldnt all information be spoon-fed and events depicted in KM's beyond any interpretation ?
Or should we all practice some measure experience based intelligence when looking at peoples killboards/mails? |
Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
12
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:28:00 -
[36] - Quote
Muad 'dib wrote:same rationale we should list the SP every char has too or any implants that contributed to it, how about a shout out for the marketeer who sold the ship that was used to kill that 'innocent victim' or the poor sod who ran a half million batch of ammo or.. or... or
buhu htfu :D
It is possible to see the implants in a players head and you can at least infer the upper limit of their skillpoints I don't really see what point the marketeers inclusion would be since their contribution to your combat ability is about the same as the Amarrians ability to defend their space |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.18 01:50:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:I don't see why everybody is so worried about killmails.
Just remove them from the game and we won't have dumb whine posts.
Whether we should or should not have a record of the combat (killmail) is a different issue than the op raises.
The op is saying that since we we have killmails, they should be accurate. People against the op's proposal are just saying they want killmails to continue to give misleading information about the battle.
And really whether the links are on grid, or off grid doesn't change this issue. The killmails should still be accurate.
If I beat a t1 frigate with a t1 frigate the killmail should show that. If I beat a t1 frigate with a t1 frigate and loki the killmail should show that as well.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:01:00 -
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Maximus Hashur wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:same rationale we should list the SP every char has too or any implants that contributed to it, how about a shout out for the marketeer who sold the ship that was used to kill that 'innocent victim' or the poor sod who ran a half million batch of ammo or.. or... or
buhu htfu :D Dude your referencing the economy of the game, and it has nothing to do with the post. Listing implants in a pilots head would be appropriate IF those implants added to the ability and operational characteristics of the ship itself. In effect, ANY contributing factor influencing both (or all) combatants of an engagement should be shown. I know this is unrealistic and CCP will most likely never do it, but it is a logical idea, if you are of the belief that all info relating to the participants of a fight should be shown. What started this post is me raging after a CNH nailed my 10mn arty thrasher in a 1v1 (or so I thought). His shields dropped in about 3-4 cycles of my arty, and then I proceeded to watch as his armor - a frigates armor regardless of it being faction or not - took at least 10 cycles of my arty at a range of 10 klicks. I know because he had me dual webbed as I burned away and I had him webbed as well so we locked each other together at 10. Any non- boosted "vanilla" CNH would not have survived that and the other guy even admitted it in local and acted all elite. He very simply is not the better pilot in that situation because he needed his booster to win. Bullshit.
Typically you do not see the entire fit of every ship contributing to a kill. In order to get that information you have to kill the ship. If someone has a faction ab you don't really get to see it if they kill you. Only if you kill them.
I suppose we could add the "pod" to the killmail if it contained any implant that contributed to the kill. I think that is a bit weak but I really wouldn't care either way.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
570
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Posted - 2013.04.18 02:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Diesel47 wrote:I don't see why everybody is so worried about killmails.
Just remove them from the game and we won't have dumb whine posts. Whether we should or should not have a record of the combat (killmail) is a different issue than the op raises. The op is saying that since we we have killmails, they should be accurate. People against the op's proposal are just saying they want killmails to continue to give misleading information about the battle. And really whether the links are on grid, or off grid doesn't change this issue. The killmails should still be accurate. If I beat a t1 frigate with a t1 frigate the killmail should show that. If I beat a t1 frigate with a t1 frigate and loki the killmail should show that as well.
Im for accurate KM's. I think http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17280316 should show the 2 Gilas and Rupture that were trying to kill me with their ill fated keres friend.
On the other hand. We could just ignore this. A km lasts for about 10 minutes. Ive got loads of nice KM's over the years. Its nice to see them to spark memories of battles in times gone by. I think the minority of people worrying about mails here are overplaying the importance that people put on OTHER peoples mails. When was the last time anyone trawled over someone elses mails? what would be the point beyond checking someones loss mails for fits or kills for who they fly with? Other than that, all anyone looks at is overall kills/losses and efficiency. Boosters on mails wouldnt change that. I guess some people play for battleclinic rankings? TBPH that would be like playing battlefield 3 for the sake of a player stat site page that no one else looked at or cared about lol.
People on this forum seem to fixate on the oddest aspects of this game instead of enjoying the game itself. |
Cage Man
192
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Posted - 2013.04.18 03:11:00 -
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I think everyone in the fleet involved should show on the KM if they are in the same system. If i go up against another ship and loose because he had a booster I would like to know I was actually fighting against 2. If you choose to use a booster you should be sharing the points with them as they did help out. If you used a cloaky alt to sneak up on me so you can get a good warp in.. it was a two man job and should be reflected as such. Are you truly that much better than another player player if you have a booster? if he brought a friend and you lost to him and his friend.. is that really 2v1.. or 2v2.. you chose to bring a booster and not another pilot????
I also think drone loses should be recorded as losses to the pilot. Almost every fleet determines its success by loss of isk, so if I say kill 10 fighters and loose my caracal.. I clearly won the isk war...
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
163
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Posted - 2013.04.18 05:11:00 -
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100% agreed with the OP.
They should also include my non-command ship Squad Commander on the killmail for passing me bonuses with all 5s leadership and allowing me great victor. Also put my scout alt on the killmail for sitting on the other side of the gate and providing eyes. The titan pilot that bridged our fleet should be rewarded by being on the killmail too. Last but not least please include Mom on the km for cooking me dinner and letting me live in the basement rent-free and my state government for the monthly unemployment checks. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
45
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Posted - 2013.04.18 07:02:00 -
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Posting of kill mails is prohibited except under certain conditions in the Crime and Punishment forum. Several such kill mail posts have been deleted.
ISD Tyrozan
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Maximus Hashur
n.Die
The Periphery
34
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Posted - 2013.04.18 16:25:00 -
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penifSMASH wrote:100% agreed with the OP.
They should also include my non-command ship Squad Commander on the killmail for passing me bonuses with all 5s leadership and allowing me great victor. Also put my scout alt on the killmail for sitting on the other side of the gate and providing eyes. The titan pilot that bridged our fleet should be rewarded by being on the killmail too. Last but not least please include Mom on the km for cooking me dinner and letting me live in the basement rent-free and my state government for the monthly unemployment checks.
Another post where the person is not seeing the point I raise. I don't care about the scout, or the titan bridge pilot that got the attacking force to the war zone----unless those pilots are actively engaged with the actual fight itself.
1. what ship or ships are locking me or my fellow fleet members
2. what affects do those ship have going for them. A loki boosted fleet has great advantage over a non loki boosted fleet.
This fact should very simply be recorded on any resulting KM and in the battle summary itself.
Ill say it again - Those arguing with this are pilots who have gone down the road of needing booster alts to win and cant hack it otherwise. I suggest to each of those pilots to leave their booster alt at home for a few weeks and engage completely solo in their best unbonused ship. I think you will start to gain a bit of understanding with what im saying after a few serious losses, where before you would have won.....with your ace in the hole.
Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
602
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Posted - 2013.04.18 18:41:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Agree with OP , boost bitches can suck it We will never see anything except a mild nerf to T3 boosts, they will stay off grid and not much will change except maybe more use of command ships. Removing the off grid ability will NEVER happen, CCP like any smart company will not do anything that will lower their profit. Thousands of accounts will be canceled if they do. People used that same argument before Falcons got nerfed too.
Falcons got nerfed, not removed. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
367
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Posted - 2013.04.18 18:58:00 -
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Sorry this conversation isn't really geared toward folks that use to having 100+ people on all their killmails. Therefore your opinion is invalid.
penifSMASH wrote:
They should also include my non-command ship Squad Commander on the killmail for passing me bonuses with all 5s leadership and allowing me great victor. Also put my scout alt on the killmail for sitting on the other side of the gate and providing eyes. The titan pilot that bridged our fleet should be rewarded by being on the killmail too. Last but not least please include Mom on the km for cooking me dinner and letting me live in the basement rent-free and my state government for the monthly unemployment checks.
derp? |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
90
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Posted - 2013.04.18 19:35:00 -
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I think all the OP was asking for is that if you are being boosted by anything with an active Gang Assist Module/Link and you get the final blow on anything, then that ship should show up on the killmail as 0 damage with the weapon being one of the link modules. This isn't too much detail, doesn't reveal to much intel, and most importantly it doesn't change the data format of the killmail in any way.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
749
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Posted - 2013.04.18 19:44:00 -
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Quote:Falcons got nerfed, not removed.
Fozzie wants to nerf boosting, not remove it. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.18 21:15:00 -
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penifSMASH wrote:100% agreed with the OP.
They should also include my non-command ship Squad Commander on the killmail for passing me bonuses with all 5s leadership and allowing me great victor. Also put my scout alt on the killmail for sitting on the other side of the gate and providing eyes. The titan pilot that bridged our fleet should be rewarded by being on the killmail too. Last but not least please include Mom on the km for cooking me dinner and letting me live in the basement rent-free and my state government for the monthly unemployment checks.
Its the ships that are part of the combat. Not the skills. If you get edges because of skills that is something killmails do not even try to cover. But if you get assistance from modules on ships then killmails should cover them.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Euasked
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:14:00 -
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I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ... |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
870
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Posted - 2013.04.18 22:20:00 -
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If you take a fight with a player that you assume is the same as you, no pirate sets no hardwires t1 fit with low SP and you die who cares what it was that made you so easy to beat.
if you are all 5's with a pirate set and no booster and you fight a t1 guy with a OGB and you lose, was it a fair fight? Who the funk cares, who ever lost was worse at eve - deal with it.
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Maximus Hashur
n.Die
The Periphery
35
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Posted - 2013.04.19 04:04:00 -
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Euasked wrote:I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ...
Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement.
What do you think it is?
Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
573
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Posted - 2013.04.19 05:07:00 -
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Maximus Hashur wrote:Euasked wrote:I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ... Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement. What do you think it is?
A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:03:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Maximus Hashur wrote:Euasked wrote:I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ... Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement. What do you think it is? A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story.
In as far as it is reasonably possible the kill mails show what ships contributed to.the kill. With two exceptions:
1) it doest show boosts
2) it doest show repps.
IMO both exceptions should be fixed.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
574
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Posted - 2013.04.20 14:31:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Maximus Hashur wrote:Euasked wrote:I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ... Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement. What do you think it is? A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story. In as far as it is reasonably possible the kill mails show what ships contributed to.the kill. With two exceptions: 1) it doest show boosts 2) it doest show repps. IMO both exceptions should be fixed.
It isnt a big deal though is it? Everyone knows who has and has not got boosts. If people want to pretend they are not using them when they are, that just makes them look like idiots. Why do you want CCP to make a change to KM's to tell you what you should already know?
Id rather they sort out the few suggested tweaks to plexes, which will actually improve gameplay/flow instead of inconsequential things designed to nurse bruised egos and hurt butts. |
Maximus Hashur
Vanus Technical Solutions Corp
Covert Intervention
36
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Posted - 2013.04.20 18:42:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Maximus Hashur wrote:Euasked wrote:I too make a forum thread everytime I lose a thrasher to :unfair: stuffs. And lol at OP implying that killmails are supposed to be some objective record or source of Intel, lazy scrublord ... Actually that is exactly what a kill mail is. A record of the kill and all of the participants of the engagement. What do you think it is? A killmail lacks a lot more information than it contains. Its more of a brief statement than a story. In as far as it is reasonably possible the kill mails show what ships contributed to.the kill. With two exceptions: 1) it doest show boosts 2) it doest show repps. IMO both exceptions should be fixed. It isnt a big deal though is it? Everyone knows who has and has not got boosts. If people want to pretend they are not using them when they are, that just makes them look like idiots. Why do you want CCP to make a change to KM's to tell you what you should already know? Id rather they sort out the few suggested tweaks to plexes, which will actually improve gameplay/flow instead of inconsequential things designed to nurse bruised egos and hurt butts.
How is a person supposed to know who has boosts and who does not? In a purely random "roam" whether solo or in a fleet?
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Zappity
Kurved Space
36
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Posted - 2013.04.21 03:23:00 -
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Good idea OP. Plain common sense.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
870
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Posted - 2013.04.21 15:12:00 -
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Maximus Hashur wrote:
How is a person supposed to know who has boosts and who does not? In a purely random "roam" whether solo or in a fleet?
This.
There are only a few hard tells. Such as web and scram/disruptor range. Even there you sometimes have to assume he isn't faction fit so to know for sure you need to kill them.
If I am not chewing through tank as fast as i should is it do to transversal? Range? ewar? implants? boosters such as blue pill or exile or extinct? Or am I just underestimating the persons fit/skills/ship? Its hard to know.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
Villore Accords
89
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Posted - 2013.04.21 17:43:00 -
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I always thought the Kill Reports were there so you could figure out what worked, what didn't work, and then work to improve. Maybe that was the original concept, but adding in OGBs to the killmails would be nice not only for intel pruposes, but also so you know "why" you lost to a ship you know you have beaten in the past. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society
The Devil's Tattoo
877
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:01:00 -
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Its interesting to see many people who use booster alts initially claim they don't care if the boosters are on the killmail or not. Then they proceed to make numerous posts trying to argue against adding them. They want to keep their invisible blob of t3s off the record. And keep the killmails misleading.
Flying through faction war space its getting to the point where I see more t3s on dscan that combat ships.
CCP claims that they want to do away with OGBs but they don't have the technical know how. Yet at every phase they buff them. T2 links, buffs to active tanks, buffs to missile kiting platforms. I'm starting to question ccp's word on this one.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
169
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Posted - 2013.04.24 22:15:00 -
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in b4 cearain crys for a notification of OGB too ..... ;)
from what i got talking to a few devs on sisi is there having a hard tiome making boosts work under AOE rather thanb just newere in system and until they get that right the wont be touched
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