but i wont say sorry for making a thread in an attempt to fix a problem, want to come shoot me, youll have to wait till ccp intruduces that walking in stations content... properly... :)

It's not a problem, it's an intended game mechanic.

Highsec space is not mean't to be safe, its meant to be safer. Removing one of the few elements of risk that still exist in the game is harmful to the air of unpredictability in the game and limits opportunities for the kind of scheming and subterfuge that the game is regularly marketed on.

Moreover new players are virtually never the subject of targetted aggression be characters in their corporations, unreasonably expensive mission ships, freighter pilots and really obnoxious people who like to talk smack to people are much more likely target.

You're making a totally baseless "think of the children" argument against one of the few mechanics that forces people in highsec to make intelligent choices about who they admit to their corporation and presents a legitimate source of danger in an otherwise entirely bubblewrapped type of space.

Subsequently I'm paying for an extra week of this war right now.

While this is an idea that the majority of people would get behind, the voice of sanity will never be able to drown out the whining cries of the trolling awoxers.

Aside from any concord issues due to coding: It has to stay because High Sec corporations like to test their fleet builds in more than 1v1 scenarios in High Sec. Dueling is great, but it does not cut it for fleets.

Now, if they did get rid of corp free fire, it would be good if CCP added a way for CEOs in a corp to flag members for mutual PvP. Extended this could also work for Alliances as well so that High Sec alliances could have multiple corp members also flagged for mutual PvP. To prevent abuse, the CEOs can unflag members (add a delay for it to take effect) and individual member can unflag themself (15 minute delay) while docked.

Just presenting an alternative to simply removing a valuable but sometimes abused feature.

yes, this would be a great step. another solution to this bit of the "puzzle" (or a side by side system) could be "fleet dueling", maby with a 5 min countdown from offer to commencement [after boss accepting the duel] to allow all members to accept or be kicked from fleet? (to remove the problem with that system being abused....) - dueling mechanics do need to be expanded i do agree on that :)

thank you for your input.

I think it's also important to note that new players are not children, in fact they are typically grown-ass men and that this is a computer game, not real life, nothing bad happens if you lose a spaceship.

They don't need protecting from anything. It's the game that needs protecting from people like the terrible OP who'd diminish its richness in the name of "protecting new players."

Hell, you could do micro-wars between consenting corporations even if they aren't in the same alliance.

I think it's also important to note that new players are not children, in fact they are typically grown-ass men and that this is a computer game, not real life, nothing bad happens if you lose a spaceship.

They don't need protecting from anything. It's the game that needs protecting from people like the terrible OP who'd diminish its richness in the name of "protecting new players."

You seem to think trial rookies "cry" or "whine" when their internet spaceship goes puff. They don't. In fact, it usually matters less to them than to you. They just aren't invested enough in Eve yet, to stay in the game.

If they get grieved early on and don't think this community's worth their free time, they'll leave. Which is the whole point for everything CCP has ever implemented to "protect the children." Precisely because they don't care... yet.

They are protected on a lot of ways. They are protected from most attacks by NPC ships that are unavoidable. They are often in NPC corporations that can't be war-dec'd. They have very little to offer the vast swaths of griefers and thieves in the world. Even the newbie systems are watched extra hard for can-flipping and false duels, etc.

So what else do you do to make a rookie feel safe? Make them invulnerable, safties permanently on for a month? Give them a million popups every time they try to do something stupid?

And how long should they stay a rookie? So much is already in place to keep them safer ...



Personally, I think this mentality unfairly puts them in a position where the inevitable betrayal and 'reality of EvE' is even worse. Better to learn it quickly, and ween out those who wouldn't have really enjoyed the game eventually anyhow. So many of them come back, remembering that horrible experience. I, myself, was rookie ganked on my first toon in what is now a historic event, back when concord was tankable. I came back later, remembering that.

Honestly, if they want pure subscriptions, they can do a LOT to bring them in. But EvE, despite how mean it is to the poor little peon, has continued to grow for years.

Meanwhile, those companies that built for money? World of Warcraft, Warhammer, Star Wars The Old Republic, etc? NONE of them can say the same, that they have continued to build on their playerbase EVERY SINGLE YEAR of their production.

CCP isn't broke off this game. So sure, they could make more money. Obviously. But is it worth it to lose what you have and eventually everything?



These players are crying for one ... little ... change. But they aren't the only one's crying. And while they might end up perfectly happy if they get their way, someone else won't be. How far down that road do you go?

And why fix what ain't broke?

Bad idea, if you acceppt someone into your corp you always take a risk, that-¦s how it is and that-¦s how it should be.

You can do a quite a few things to minimize the risk(API-Check, KBs, forums, common sense, etc....) that it-¦s his intention to harm your corp, but it should never be risk free. If you acceppt him, you trust him, and trust = risk in EVE.
If you join a corp it-¦s the same thing vice-versa.

Also, freighter-webbing.

lmfao at the flat out lies that it is used against "newbies"

How come whenever someone has a problem with a mechanic they lie and pretend it affects primarily or only newbies when it is very, very clear it doesn't?

No one joins a corp to awox a 2 week old character in a cruiser, they awox older players in very expensive ships that take a lot of time and isk to invest in.

So don't bloody pretend this is about protecting newbies, it's about protecting old players who are lazy, stupid and all round bad at eve.

lmfao at the flat out lies that it is used against "newbies"

How come whenever someone has a problem with a mechanic they lie and pretend it affects primarily or only newbies when it is very, very clear it doesn't?

No one joins a corp to awox a 2 week old character in a cruiser, they awox older players in very expensive ships that take a lot of time and isk to invest in.

So don't bloody pretend this is about protecting newbies, it's about protecting old players who are lazy, stupid and all round bad at eve.

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can anyone give me a reason why it SHOULD stay?

still waiting for a reason why it should be kept....

I think it's also important to note that new players are not children, in fact they are typically grown-ass men and that this is a computer game, not real life, nothing bad happens if you lose a spaceship.

They don't need protecting from anything. It's the game that needs protecting from people like the terrible OP who'd diminish its richness in the name of "protecting new players."

still waiting for a reason why it should be kept....

100% proof that you are wrong....

check ur inbox... kill mail that started me off on this rant is in there

tip: dont assume we are all lieing out of our arses....

anyone else wants the km ask... [unless there is a way to link it here, but its not my kill or loss so i really cba...]

I like being able to web my freighters into warp

= duel request

Accepted! You name the place, I'll name the time and we can get our duel on.

I think it's also important to note that new players are not children, in fact they are typically grown-ass men and that this is a computer game, not real life, nothing bad happens if you lose a spaceship.

They don't need protecting from anything. It's the game that needs protecting from people like the terrible OP who'd diminish its richness in the name of "protecting new players."