Nice stuff there, would be such a shame if something were to happen to it. So how well do you actually know internet spaceship ppl?

No it doesn't. It just encourages solo play in High Sec. You won't find a more paranoid and unsociable bunch anywhere else than in high sec.

Are these the lies that nullsec dudes actually tell each other?

Well, it's been my experience that my fellow belligerent undesirables contain fewer reprehensible people per capita than your typical highsec carebear corp. I havn't seen the inside of a nullsec corp for any period of time in a couple years, but I remember a lot of line members getting treated like **** and a lot of people calling each other ******.

If you view us as bullies there's nothing I can do about that except to remind you that all areas of space are for pvp and engaging in it is not morally wrong and even with CONCORD around it is still your responsibility to protect yourself.

How would AWOXing work if you did this? This is a terrible idea.

Then theres no reason to join a corp to shoot it.

We'll put aside that you think I target new players or don't make a profit for a second.

If you put on gloves and step into a boxing ring, it is not morally wrong for someone to punch you in the face. If you sit down opposite someone over a chessboard and move a piece, it's not morally wrong for them to end up taking your king. The things that happen in a game and according to the rules that everyone agreed to by entering the game cannot be morally wrong unless you live in some sort of upsidedown mirror world where taking an opponent's king in chess gets you put in front of a firing squad for regicide.

And you did touch a nerve. I don't like seeing my friends called names for behavior they haven't displayed in any greater quantity than any other subset of people in this game or having the area that they play video games in an extremely talented manner being compared to 'infant school'.

Some people play just for the kicks of upsetting other RL people purely because they get their jollies from other people's pain.

... you're probably stupid if you trust anyone who's not yourself or an alt...

C'mon, who feels pain because of his pixels exploded?

New players (or older players in blinged ships), generally. I meant psychological pain (ie extreme annoyance and/or anger/rage), not physical pain,obviously. You can tell this to be the case every time you hear someone go rant-mental in local after getting their ship ganked.

If you suffer psychologically because a thing in a video game died/exploded then you should immediately unsub and check yourself into a mental health clinic. Seek treatment, you are not ready for video games, let alone the real world.

Well I understood you were talking about newbies but it is not like Eve ads say "Come play with us, we are fuzzy and friendly". It says "Shape your destiny in cold harsh universe". What is different from other MMOs danger comes not from NPCs but from players. You may argue that even in such environment some people take their pvp too far but again, they only use opportunities given to them by you (or that poor innocent newbie) and tools given by game designers.

After all nobody cries to change chess rules because people lose their pawns and ragequit. You know what you are getting into from very beginning: a game based on player versus player aggression where sacrifice and loss are integral part of experience.

No, absolutely, it does advertise itself as a harsh universe. I'm certainly not advocating changing that just like I haven't been advocating the proposed change in this thread which I've managed to accidentally derail and therefore will be leaving.

Basically put, I disagree with the actions of those who pick on new players or players completely unable to defend themselves in exactly the same way I disagree with the actions of "bullies" in real life. Do I think that EvE should be changed to do anything about this? No, absolutely not. It's one of the great things about eve and that's why I disagree with the OP regarding stopping corp mates from killing each other.

It is merely not in my moral makeup to do such things or agree with others doing it on a moral level but that's a personal viewpoint and not a viewpoint I think should be foisted on the game as a whole as it removes an awful lot of the potential choices and excitement out of the game. Even in high sec you should always be prepared to fight and/or lose one's ship whenever you undock. Making it actually safe would also make it boring.

@OP - Please accept my apologies for accidentally derailing your thread. I'll leave you to it now.

This is where the split is the greatest. Do you prevent bullying by hardcoding it into the game, the devs working day and night to add stricter and stricter devices because bullying evolves, inevitably losing a vast portion of your original playerbase, your focus on freeform game design, and your identity in the gaming world?

Or do you allow bullying to happen ... nay, support it even ... and teach the one lesson in life that our school systems don't have the balls to teach anymore: The only way to stop a bully, is to become brave and stand up and fight..

Nah, your not derailing it that much. Most cries against high-sec deaths are in one form or another cries against bullying. The posts that are made to stop ganking, to make miners invulnerable, to stop war decs, to prevent AWOXing, to stop corp theft and POS hacking and can flipping and alt accounts and spying and ...

I believe you get the point. Someone was affected by someone elses playstyle, and wishes a change. Unluckily for the op, that's all this will be seen as. They aren't trying to protect new players; we've already proven that this isn't the case, just the catch phrase. But they are trying to stop bullying.


This is where the split is the greatest. Do you prevent bullying by hardcoding it into the game, the devs working day and night to add stricter and stricter devices because bullying evolves, inevitably losing a vast portion of your original playerbase, your focus on freeform game design, and your identity in the gaming world?

Or do you allow bullying to happen ... nay, support it even ... and teach the one lesson in life that our school systems don't have the balls to teach anymore: The only way to stop a bully, is to become brave and stand up and fight.





As an aside, most carebears (players who attempt to be non-combatant pacifists and avoid pvp as much as possible) I've run into are the first to threaten real world, physical violence, or try to allude somebody is a rapist or serial killer when they are affected in game.

I see these individuals as very emotionally unstable, as they seem to be chronically incapable of separating the virtual world and the real one.

What kind of example would you be setting for a school when bullying is enabled by having the problem ignored by authorities on the basis of some twisted attempt to make the bullied overcome adversity on their own and 'toughen up' so to speak?
I understand the intention you're trying to convey, but the means cannot be justified in that case.
Regardless, I don't think this a good analogy to draw on anyway.

Highsec AWOXing needs some tempering - to say nothing of the fact that AWOXers are free to use as much neutral RR as they want without consequence.

Well, it's been my experience that my fellow belligerent undesirables contain fewer reprehensible people per capita than your typical highsec carebear corp. I havn't seen the inside of a nullsec corp for any period of time in a couple years, but I remember a lot of line members getting treated like **** and a lot of people calling each other ******.

If you view us as bullies there's nothing I can do about that except to remind you that all areas of space are for pvp and engaging in it is not morally wrong and even with CONCORD around it is still your responsibility to protect yourself.

both AWOXers and the victim are free to use logistics. and making the logistics go suspect would mean that the victim cannot use logistics without it going suspect also, and who is more likely to bring friends to take out said logistics?

What kind of example would you be setting for a school when bullying is enabled by having the problem ignored by authorities on the basis of some twisted attempt to make the bullied overcome adversity on their own and 'toughen up' so to speak?

Except that the AWOXing only ever really happens when the victim does not have access to logistic support at the time or at all. Also, if the victim happened to have logi at the time, chances are it's in the same corporation as well which allows the AWOXer free reign to destroy it too.
Meanwhile, AWOXers always use neutral RR which does not receive any flags when assisting.

The problem is crimewatch - and I keep repeating this in many threads because it invariably leads to this point.
Crimewatch is not sophisticated enough. Ideally, aggression between corp members should generate a unique type of flag (on both the attacker and the victim) that causes any player, outside of the corp, providing remote assistance to either person, to become suspect.
This would get rid of the remaining risk-free neutral RR gameplay in high sec.

The problem is crimewatch - and I keep repeating this in many threads because it invariably leads to this point.
Crimewatch is not sophisticated enough. Ideally, aggression between corp members should generate a unique type of flag (on both the attacker and the victim) that causes any player, outside of the corp, providing remote assistance to either person, to become suspect.
This would get rid of the remaining risk-free neutral RR gameplay in high sec.

Except that the AWOXing only ever really happens when the victim does not have access to logistic support at the time or at all. Also, if the victim happened to have logi at the time, chances are it's in the same corporation as well which allows the AWOXer free reign to destroy it too.
Meanwhile, AWOXers always use neutral RR which does not receive any flags when assisting.