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Salx
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:32:00 -
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Why do most Minatar ships have Solar Panels on them? Are they powered by the sun or something? Also when you buy a loki how many free rolls of duct tape does one get? |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:47:00 -
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This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:03:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors.
That wouldn't work very well... can't transfer heat that well into a vacuum.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:16:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors. That wouldn't work very well... can't transfer heat that well into a vacuum.
Ever wonder how things in space get hot being exposed to the sun?
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Janos Saal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:16:00 -
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Salx wrote:Why do most Minatar ships have Solar Panels on them? Are they powered by the sun or something?
Assuming they are solar panels, what the **** else would they be sued for you imbecile?
EVE is dead |
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:16:00 -
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Actually it's a part of a weapon, ships docks together and all those panels reflects the sun into one fucused beam. 
And 10 rolls |
Janos Saal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:17:00 -
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Salx wrote:Why do most Minatar ships have Solar Panels on them? Are they powered by the sun or something?
Assuming they are solar panels, what the **** else would they be used for you imbecile?
EVE is dead |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:19:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors. That wouldn't work very well... can't transfer heat that well into a vacuum. That's why they're so big and frilly GÇö more surface to radiate from.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:20:00 -
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Razin wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors. That wouldn't work very well... can't transfer heat that well into a vacuum. Ever wonder how things in space get hot being exposed to the sun?
I'll bet it's not due to convection.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:21:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Razin wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors. That wouldn't work very well... can't transfer heat that well into a vacuum. Ever wonder how things in space get hot being exposed to the sun? I'll bet it's not due to convection.
The word "radiator" contains the clue that will help you. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:24:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:That wouldn't work very well... can't transfer heat that well into a vacuum.
You mean liquid vacuum huh? Dont forget that there is no usual physics in New Eden Universe.
Besides there is lot of objects in EVE space that you cannot call "usual vacuum' like gas clouds, for example. |
Killmeded
KMD Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:26:00 -
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Those are not solar panels -- those are solar powered grills for cooking all my bacon 
MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......................... Bacon  |
Baneken
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:27:00 -
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Unless I remember wrong those are needed for LADAR based targeting system. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:28:00 -
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Razin wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Razin wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors. That wouldn't work very well... can't transfer heat that well into a vacuum. Ever wonder how things in space get hot being exposed to the sun? I'll bet it's not due to convection. The word "radiator" contains the clue that will help you.
Yeah... how exactly are nuclear reactors cooled again?
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
DeliciousHamBeast
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:29:00 -
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You guys are so cruel to each other, space love is the way man. Space love for all.
Plus they have to be solar cells, everyone knows a nuclear reactor alone can't possibly power both the scapbucket of a ship and the Rastafarian Space Dub.
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Beep Beep Imma Jeep. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:30:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Yeah... how exactly are nuclear reactors cooled again? In space? Through radiation.
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:32:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:This is not solar panels. This is cooling radiators for their old nuclear reactors.
I'm picking up a lot of radiation...
they're operating without core
containment. Well, that's feng kuang de,
that's suicide...
Proof positive Minmatar are Reavers
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:36:00 -
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Actually they are massive barbecue devices where former Amarrian combat pilots are turned to tasty chicken McCarnage.
...and amount of duct tape is related to amount of rust. More trust, less duct tape. More rust, more duct tape.
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MinSebsis
Steel Hammer Industry
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:37:00 -
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There called "wingy bits"!
Paying Customer - Capsaleer enabled in 2005 |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:43:00 -
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I always assumed they were solar sails |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Yeah... how exactly are nuclear reactors cooled again? In space? Through radiation.
Hmm... from what I recall from my nuclear days, you use convection to transfer the heat from the primary to the secondary, with the coolant in the secondary being converted to steam and used kinetically to provide work. The coolant in the secondary is then cooled to cycle back through the heat exchange with the primary.
So the question is, how would you take the heat extracted from the secondary and convert that to a form that can be efficiently radiated into the vacuum of space?
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:52:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:So the question is, how would you take the heat extracted from the secondary and convert that to a form that can be efficiently radiated into the vacuum of space? By running it through a myriad of cooling surfaces GÇö the more surface the better. A standard passive cooling system.
You could do it by simply dumping the coolant as well, but that gets cumbersome.
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:54:00 -
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expose the core to space
lol
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:So the question is, how would you take the heat extracted from the secondary and convert that to a form that can be efficiently radiated into the vacuum of space? By running it through a myriad of cooling surfaces GÇö the more surface the better. A standard passive cooling system. You could do it by simply dumping the coolant as well, but that gets cumbersome.
Hmm... seems horribly inefficient when compared to convective cooling... I wonder if some sort of a dummy load to suck out the most energy kinetically as possible would suffice to cool the secondary enough... of course the energy captured by the dummy load would still have to be dealt with...
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:06:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Hmm... seems horribly inefficient when compared to convective cooling... I wonder if some sort of a dummy load to suck out the most energy kinetically as possible would suffice to cool the secondary enough... of course the energy captured by the dummy load would still have to be dealt with... Knock yourself out (or, more specifically, this). 
It's a fun site overall, in spite of its geocities styling, so it's worth a look.
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Hmm... seems horribly inefficient when compared to convective cooling... I wonder if some sort of a dummy load to suck out the most energy kinetically as possible would suffice to cool the secondary enough... of course the energy captured by the dummy load would still have to be dealt with... Knock yourself out (or, more specifically, this). It's a fun site overall, in spite of its geocities styling, so it's worth a look.
Heh, that's pretty cool. This made me giggle:
Quote:However, since by their nature radiators are difficult or impossible to armor, radiators will probably be the first thing shot off by hostile weapons fire. Then you have about thirty seconds to scram the ship's reactor before the engineering section turns into a sea of molten metal.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Zofe Stormcaller
B4D W0LF
B4D W01F
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:32:00 -
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You should be able to radiate heat though space fine. That's how the heat from the sun gets to the planet from the sun. The heat from fission reactors has to go somewhere, hense minmatar ships have radiators, only they are unlike house "radiators" as they are designed to convect heat not radiate it. Technically anything dark, hot and has lots of surface area should radiate heat as IR fine, no matter if there is a vaccuum. |
Ramacliv
RC Minerals and Salvage
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:32:00 -
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All of you are wrong. That's part oft the ships still. We all know Minmatar pilots run off booze. We need that much production in a day just to get out of bed. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
148
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:39:00 -
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Zofe Stormcaller wrote:You should be able to radiate heat though space fine. That's how the heat from the sun gets to the planet from the sun. The heat from fission reactors has to go somewhere, hense minmatar ships have radiators, only they are unlike house "radiators" as they are designed to convect heat not radiate it. Technically anything dark, hot and has lots of surface area should radiate heat as IR fine, no matter if there is a vaccuum.
The heat from the fission reactor needs to be first converted to work, otherwise what's the point of having the reactor in the first place. So, you have a primary coolant system, fully shielded, where the core resides. This uses convection (liquid) to transfer the heat through a heat exchanger to a secondary system (a separate shielded chamber outside the primary), where the secondary coolant, now converted to steam, is used to drive turbines, etc. Some heat is lost in the transfer of energy to kinetic, but a lot remains in the secondary coolant. This is what needs to be dealt with.
The problem with radiators, like that article Tippia pointed out states, is that all you have to do to effectively kill the ship is shoot the radiators. If you remove the ability of the ship to lose the heat, well... it's either scram the reactor or wish you did before you died.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:48:00 -
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MinSebsis wrote:The're called "wingy bits"!
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