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Cyalume Helljumpers White Noise. 0	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:00:00 - [1] - Quote What would you say? Couple of my real life friends we're talking about starting in Eve and asked if I'd recommend it. Honestly, I didn't know what to say. All I could think of was the divide that comes with starting such an old game. Now I realize I'm probably wrong but the divide does seem huge. A few people control alliances that in turn control mass amounts of wealth and chances. Sure some of them fall but mostly they just seem to rename themselves and start over. Obviously, like with any game. You take the forums with a pinch of salt. Especially when so many people create alts to back up an opinion. Still, a lot of what you read on the Eve forums is pretty negative. Things taking years to fix, being rushed out and so forth. The bitching about bots, Super's nerf. etc. So what is it actually like starting from scratch now? Would you recommend it? All I could really say was "What not play the trial and see what you think?". Bit of a weak answer, but the best I could come up with.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone. 104	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:04:00 - [2] - Quote The NPE is changed drastically in the last few years and it is now easier then ever to actually get into things. Just make sure to not let them be discouraged by that gap. There is still a bunch fo things they can do as a newb and even more things they can do as a newb that is part of a group ^^ The Drake is a Lie
Parsec Seti 1st Contact Tactical Operation Fleet Delta 0	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:07:00 - [3] - Quote Schadenfreude.
DeBingJos T.R.I.A.D 108	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:10:00 - [4] - Quote I recommended it to some of my friends and they even started playing. I gave them a buddyinvite and a plex so they had a full account for free for 21days + one month. None of them stayed. Why? They stayed in an NPC-corp and ran missions. I told them not to do that and get involved in some pvp/lowsec/other stuff. In the end I think it's a niche game and PvE is very underdevelopped. Imo the tutorials could do much better. Currently they only teach you (very) basic game mechanics and after that you are on your own in space. At the end of the tutorials you should be given lots of info about your options in new Eden. Fix FW !
Kengutsi Akira 40	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:12:00 - [5] - Quote I really dont know cause it took me the better part of a year to really get to where I enjoy the game, then four more to get into a position to do what I want to lol (there were many vacations in there by the way - except the first year part) DeBingJos wrote: I recommended it to some of my friends and they even started playing. I gave them a buddyinvite and a plex so they had a full account for free for 21days + one month. None of them stayed. Why? They stayed in an NPC-corp and ran missions. I told them not to do that and get involved in some pvp/lowsec/other stuff. In the end I think it's a niche game and PvE is very underdevelopped. Imo the tutorials could do much better. Currently they only teach you (very) basic game mechanics and after that you are on your own in space. At the end of the tutorials you should be given lots of info about your options in new Eden. lol its a lot better than it used to be: heres your noobship, points to undock button have fun" Its hard to start the game and go an do anything at all really. "EVE takes time but its damn fun afterward" What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
DeliciousHamBeast The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance 112	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:13:00 - [6] - Quote I stick with the truth, it's a sandbox and there's no game quite like it. There's a daunting amount of freedom, you can do practically anything you can dream up, people will scam you and it can all be very confusing. But if you have a goal, and you find some like-minded people, you'll never look back. The question of a "new player gap" always come up, and eve's probably got one of the smallest gaps - a 2 week old character can accomplish some incredible things, especially if they make some friends. -- Beep Beep Imma Jeep.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 566	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:13:00 - [7] - Quote GÇ£It's great if you can keep yourself entertained and figure out where you want to and what you want to do GÇö the game sure won't tell or help you.GÇ¥ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Nyio Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:13:00 - [8] - Quote Cyalume wrote: What would you say? Couple of my real life friends we're talking about starting in Eve and asked if I'd recommend it. Honestly, I didn't know what to say. All I could think of was the divide that comes with starting such an old game. Now I realize I'm probably wrong but the divide does seem huge. A few people control alliances that in turn control mass amounts of wealth and chances. Sure some of them fall but mostly they just seem to rename themselves and start over. Obviously, like with any game. You take the forums with a pinch of salt. Especially when so many people create alts to back up an opinion. Still, a lot of what you read on the Eve forums is pretty negative. Things taking years to fix, being rushed out and so forth. The bitching about bots, Super's nerf. etc. So what is it actually like starting from scratch now? Would you recommend it? All I could really say was "What not play the trial and see what you think?". Bit of a weak answer, but the best I could come up with. I've always though that one of the fundamental problems with EVE (that is rarely brought up) is the very long training times. It takes ALOT of time and effort to get a character to a "fun to play" level, and that makes EVE a game that only a minority can ever learn to enjoy. Sure you can spend alot of real money and buy a 6 year old character, but that is something a very few would do. So my answer to the OP would be to explain this to your friend and point him to the Evelopedia and other sources of information to read, before he gets too involved. It never hurts to make a trial account though. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here..
Kengutsi Akira 40	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:15:00 - [9] - Quote "Dont read the forums" What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
Cyalume Helljumpers White Noise. 0	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:15:00 - [10] - Quote I'm just providing the link to this post so they can read it and hope it aids the decision either way.
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:16:00 - [11] - Quote I have tried to get 3 to get of my friends to play and have failed. They said the UI is too hard to control. There is nothing to do and have heard too many bad things about the game so they refuse to play. (forever alone)
Amro One One. 2	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:18:00 - [12] - Quote Honesty in EVE, holy **** when did this happen?
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries 282	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:23:00 - [13] - Quote Honest answer: I would not recommend EvE to most people before corporation tools and features have been revamped. Dishonest answer: I could recommend EvE to someone after spending hour explaining the potential it has. Classic forum style - Images and colored text - Custom CQ videos
Zirse Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 101	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:24:00 - [14] - Quote Its a pretty bad game with lots of potential but the metagame is fun and if you get in a good alliance the jabber can be entertaining.
Alara IonStorm Caldari State 49	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:28:00 - [15] - Quote Lacks a lot of Casual Fun, Sometimes it is boring, Takes a Long Time to reach the Middle of the Pack even with a Plan and Very Complicated to Learn. That said, Find your Niche and it is great fun. The Community is excellent, the Game is very Deep and there is a lot to do. The Game has a ton of Unique Content you will not find in other MMO's and Career Paths are intricate and involved. One Server where you can make your mark as anything from a leader of your own Empire, Mercenary, Notorious Con Man or Industrial Mogul. These are not Character classes, you can be them just by Deciding to do it and putting in the grunt work. Reputation and Action Matter more then anything else here. Just some of the stuff involved. Hundreds of Missions in 5 different Lvls Wormhole Raids Incursion Raids Galaxy Wide Market Trading Moving Hundreds of Billions an Hour. Wars, Piracy and Conquest in a free and open World. Mining and Construction. Exploration and Complexes. Thousands of Star Systems Millions of Km Across open to you. Everything you and everyone else owns can be lost. Factions are meaningless, you must make relationships with people to have allies. The Game is Difficult but Amazing. Just two things to keep in mind. If a Someone you do not know can kill you they will. Never trust anyone with your money and read everything carefully, Cons and Scams are Legal and Common. No matter how nice and reassuring they are do not trust them with anything you aren't willing to loose. A good Mantra before you do anything at all is to look at your assets involved in anything you are about to do and say "They are already gone". If you can accept the loss and think the potential for reward is good enough then go for it. So wanna give it a go?
Rath Kelbore The Six-Pack Syndicate 1	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:35:00 - [16] - Quote Eve is one of the only(and in my opinion by far the best) loot dropping open world pvp games available. It is difficult and frustrating at first, and many things are broken. It is the only MMO that has kept my attention for more than a few hours. Been playing since 2008.
Prencleeve Grothsmore Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 76	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:37:00 - [17] - Quote Hardcore spaceships is alot better than hardcore ***. http://warpbubble.blogspot.com/ The Warp Bubble Blog I do things differently.*
Rocky Deadshot In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance 9	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:38:00 - [18] - Quote I would tell them its a cruel place that glorifies cyber bullying and being a ****. (More so than most MMOs) BUT there are 1000s of very nice and awesome people that can make the game fun and interesting to play. Goes with a common philosophy, good times always look better when the hard times look worse. Also I would tell them to only read the forums if they can imagine everyone as little smurfs.... or some other ridiculous creature that might say ridiculous things.
Cyaxares II The Scope Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:38:00 - [19] - Quote I'd recommend the game in general but would emphasize that starting to play now is risky. If he is fine with playing with a time horizon of a few months I'd say go ahead but if he thinks long-term and doesn't like to take risks i'd recommend to wait until the DUST settles (i.e. until it becomes clear how CCP will react to the first 2-3 months of DUST sales).
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 33	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:41:00 - [20] - Quote Cyalume wrote: What would you say? "I'll give you my accounts if I have a date with your sister" Of course this would just be a scam, I'd pick the sister do my business and "haa, sry just got hacked" What do you want someone reasonable to say? Already tried to bring some friends/family, they're all gone after the 14D trial saying "beautifull game but such a waste, CCP should pay you to play with all that scum" So I'm not even saying anymore I play Eve.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 75	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:41:00 - [21] - Quote Cyalume wrote: What would you say? Couple of my real life friends we're talking about starting in Eve and asked if I'd recommend it. Honestly, I didn't know what to say. My honest option: Well to be frank I won't even try. My friends generally don't like computer games all too much and they don't really have time to waste time on staring at mining lasers for hours, doing the same missions all over and over or look for fights for hours. Most won't like the fact that you're basically a picture and not an interactive character either. Most people I know have busy lives, some have children and they'd rather play games where they can logon, play with their friends for a while and logoff. A few may join when I'll play GW2 (some played GW1 too) but EVE is far too time consuming for them, they'd feel it's an extra job, not a lighthearted fun hobby with a lot of options for some active teamwork.
AnkaD Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:41:00 - [22] - Quote Cyalume wrote: What would you say? So what is it actually like starting from scratch now? Would you recommend it? Starting from scratch is hard but it was like this 2007 too. Would I recommend it? Every time it may not be for everybody but it is still a fricking awesome game. The amount of options the depth of gameplay is in my knowledge unrivaled by any other MMO out there. It has its falws (The DOOR anyone?) but still it is unrivaled. There is no other game that can rival Eve (tried perpetuum didn'T like it... wtf an eve clone without tracking :( ). You will know after 2-3 weeks if you like it, and if you do it you might quit but you will always come back.
Trainwreck McGee Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:48:00 - [23] - Quote I had a friend who was interested in EVE I told him straight the game has a long learning curve. is boring to most people, is depressing and if you ar enot a carebear it can be pretty unforgiving He was excited and signed up the next day lol CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Sassinak Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.17 18:54:00 - [24] - Quote Eve was/still is a very impressive game. It's unique and original in the sense that I don't think there is another "Sandbox" style MMO out there. Everything that is in the game is what you have all created. The ships and other bits and pieces CCP provide. All of the alliances/ politics/ wars etc is a product of everyones imagination. And what a world it provided. I haven't played for a long time, but when I used to play I had immense fun. I would recommend this game to a friend so they might convince me to play again =) In all reality though this is a niche game and most people prefer the more linear style of game. This isn't one you can dip in and out of if you have a free 30minutes.
Nak hak 20	Posted - 2011.10.17 19:10:00 - [25] - Quote Would I recommend it? If my friend is a sci-fi fan, a gamer, and had other RL friends playing it, then I would recommend EVE Online. After that I would back them up with ships, and isk. A RL friend in this game is worth their weight in Arkonor. "Wow... subscription based + micro transactions.. talk about greed."-á LOL! Best Regards, Nak hak
Velicitia Open Designs 10	Posted - 2011.10.17 19:21:00 - [26] - Quote Nyio wrote: I've always though that one of the fundamental problems with EVE (that is rarely brought up) is the very long training times. It takes ALOT of time and effort to get a character to a "fun to play" level, for me the "long" training time was ... letting Frigates 3 train overnight (WHILE I WASN'T PLAYING o_O) so that the next day I could fly a Tristan, and then getting up early enough in the morning so I could swap over to another 10+ hour skill so I wouldn't waste the entire day with nothing training... Then the next day, getting said new uber shield/armour/hull tanked Tristan blown to hell because I didn't know a damn thing about how to properly tank a ship... oh, it was fun alright . Especially the part where the guy who blew me to hell told me what I did wrong and what I should do to not have that happen next time... everything after that has been "eh, it takes time" ... but I've never really felt held back by the time (i.e. feeling that a day or a week was "too damn long" to get my next shiny) ... the time factor has usually saved me from grave errors, as I can read up on good fittings and stuff...
Solstice Project Cult of Personality 66	Posted - 2011.10.17 19:26:00 - [27] - Quote AAAnd i quote (myself) ... EvE is an ******* game. It's hard. It's not even about fun. It's about work, building yourself up and getting the reward for it, which makes it awesome on one hand and angers you to death on the other, when you lose something you've worked for all week long. No other game can compete with this one, because EvE is unique. You either harden up ... or go back to WoW. Why we don't have subscription numbers like WoW ? Because most people are soft, weak and whiny when they have to cope with pain and losses. We EvE players are elitists for a reason.
Rocky Deadshot In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance 10	Posted - 2011.10.17 19:29:00 - [28] - Quote Nak hak wrote: Would I recommend it? If my friend is a sci-fi fan, a gamer, and had other RL friends playing it, then I would recommend EVE Online. After that I would back them up with ships, and isk. A RL friend in this game is worth their weight in Arkonor. Their wait in Arkonor probably wouldn't be worth crap. Considering that a most rocks have a higher density of a human, I'll just say conservatively that Arknonor has about the same (That's because you want the most m3 per weight). So that means for every 1kg your friend weighs... you would have 0.001 m3 of ore... So the avg person being around 70 or 80kg... you would end up with around 0.07m3... or in otherwords... much less than the 16m3 needed for just 1 piece of ore and much much less than the 3200m3 needed for refining. I believe a better metaphor would be more along the lines of .... worth his weight in zydrine... or some other expensive material that could be analogous to our gold or diamonds.
Barakkus 823	Posted - 2011.10.17 20:01:00 - [29] - Quote If you play it right, it doesn't end up being a boring grind fest and mind numbingly stupid like your typical MMO. The first couple months will probably be boring as ****, but after that it's not nearly as tedious or boring as most other MMOs on the market.
Zoe Alarhun The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation 28	Posted - 2011.10.17 20:04:00 - [30] - Quote If you want a amusement ride then eve will kick you in the crotch, take your candyfloss, pee on you and laugh. If you want a sand box to play in and make your own goals then eve will love you long time. Avoid missions like the plague Find like minded people. Be social Do it for the lulz. If you can't do these things then it's probably not for you. I've had multiple friends start playing and currently only have 2 actively playing. The others all let their accounts lapse.

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