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Greygal
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:08:00 -
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I say much of what everyone else has said already in this thread. But I also tell my friends that eve is for people who are intelligent, willing to figure things out on their own, willing to ask questions but make their own decisions, people who are not afraid of making mistakes, and most importantly, NEVER take anything that happens in the game personally. That Eve can be as boring or as intense as YOU choose it to be, that it is YOUR game to play, and although tons of people will give you advice and information, ultimately nobody is going to hold your hand.
I then point them to the Clear Skies movies and tell them to watch those first  (ok, actually they all ended up watching the movies while downloading the client usually by then!) - and yes, I explain that only the space scenes are from Eve.
Sometime during their first week of playing, I bring them into low sec and get them over their first death  Some decide to carebear it nearly exclusively after that, others are completely hooked on the rush and pursue PVP, some go for a mix of both... but so far, every last one of my friends I've brought into Eve are still playing Eve.
What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. |
Max Essen
Bison Industrial Inc
Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:16:00 -
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I think most folk have given some very exacting arguments both ways here.
Can't really disagree with too much.
But, for myself, I will have to reserve judgement on whether or not to recommend to a friend until after the winter expansion. After so many let downs, and now the promise of something good ... I will wait. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:32:00 -
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Awesome game, most in-depth, risk vs reward balanced, long term investment game. You can be casual and hardcore both, or be one and then the other, without losing much in terms of progress against other player. New players can be useful even with or against older ones.
All that said, hate the company that runs it, and what they have become. They are terrible at fixing bugs, balancing content, etc. heavy handed nerfs without care to what it does to the people affected by them, and leaving overpowered stuff overpowered for years at a time.
So yeah, awesome game, terrible company. |
Yotah
Saberick Interest and Development
FreiTek Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 20:34:00 -
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Tell your friends EVE is VERY PvP centered and if they mainly like PvE and only occasionally do PvP, then EVE is not the game for them. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:41:00 -
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Yotah wrote:Tell your friends EVE is VERY PvP centered and if they mainly like PvE and only occasionally do PvP, then EVE is not the game for them.
I would not say this is true. EVE has a lot more PvE Content then a lot of PvE Centered Games and offers more protection then a lot of other MMO's.
If you look at a list of PvE Based Content it is pretty competitive with almost any MMO.
Missions
Quest Chains(Arcs)
DED Complexes
Escalation Complexes
Anomelies
Exploration Sites
Hauling Missions
Sleeper Sites
Incursions Raids
That right there is 4 times as much as any MMO that is not AAA. Thats not even counting all of the stuff that is non combat PvP. Such as jobs which intersect heavily with the Market but most outside of EVE would not consider.
Mining and Harvesting
Production
Trading
This we know to be PvP because the lack of NPC buy orders but someone from another game would say "what do you mean your Auction House is PvP?" I still marvel at the scale of our Market System.
Anyway PvP is a big part of this game. Competition is as major an undertone as Ship to Ship Combat. But for direct PvE and PvE with limited competition EVE does not have it bad.
Not to say you should not take the time every once and a while to shoot someone. Ship Cobat PvP is a really big part of EVE. But as an MMO EVE has quite a lot for everyone.
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Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:45:00 -
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"Well, you fly spaceships and train for better stuff ...........and.........mine and stuff..........Hey, you remember those douche-bags from that guild we always got into it with in trade chat? This whole fuckin' game is that guild!"
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pipvac
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:48:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:I would tell them its a cruel place that glorifies cyber bullying and being a ****. (More so than most MMOs)
This.
Backed up by a publisher which actively encourages this behaviour, turns a blind eye to meta gaming, and is powerless to make any kind of impression on botting and RMT.
I wouldn't be much of a friend to recommend this to them.
They would be better off giving me -ú15 per month to give them glimmer of what could have been, whilst I repeatedly kick them in the balls (or vagina... lets not be sexist here). Then whilst there lying on the ground wheeping from the pain, I would then take a picture and post this online to everyone to show them how pathetic they are being, ensuring to tell them to "give me your stuff, on your way out".
it's the best analogy of this game and it's community, as well it's publishers, I can think of.
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FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
13
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:52:00 -
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Didn't read most of the posts, but what I say when talking to people about it is that it's a niche game, and not for everybody, but if you try it and like it, it only gets better. I then explain that it's not a theme park MMO like WoW is, and that it's open ended where people can do what they want, and it's only limited by game mechanics and their imaginations. Then I tell them how I've done null sec fleet fights, produced and ran drugs for a drug cartel (boosters), and have been a ruthless pirate. If they're interested, I show them around and if they like it, they'll stay, but since it is a niche game, it's not for everyone and they shouldn't feel compelled to stay. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 21:53:00 -
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Actually this explains a lot: Test: Newbies welcome
It show's why the gap between vets and noobs is a myth
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RIP Wash
FISKL GUARDS
The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:22:00 -
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Trying to get a RL friend into the game. He likes the stories I tell about eve. He has played maybe 15 hrs in the past 3 months of subbing (ideal mmo customer?) I am not sure he will stay.
His main complaint is the UI. Tons of bad design choices, too many windows, Terrible error messages such as "the fleet member is not in system" when he tries to warp to me when I am docked, for example.
Then again it might not be his niche.
And he is a mac user so is a bit  when it comes to game UI, but still its a problem CCP should look into.
Other than UI issues, its all about whether you enjoy what makes EVE different or not. I have known people who saw eve and thought "Finally, what I have been looking for!" I have seen EVE vets say the same thing about WoW.
I think if a complex, openworld-sandbox-openPVP-SciFi-MMO appeals, you will like EVE whether you started this year or 5 years ago. |
Adelphie
Paradox Collective
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:23:00 -
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When my housemate used to play before me I called it his "job".
Now we call it nerd crack. |
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:28:00 -
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Something one of my buddies said when I was trying to get him to play Eve:
Him : "What? Why the hell would anyone in their right mind want to play a game that needs so much time just to get the basics?"
Me : "I know it seems complicated, but the more you play the more engrossed you become and the easier it gets"
Him : "So, when I think of nothing but politics and mathematics, then I am an Eve player?"
Me "Well, theres also the fact you can mess with people and screw them over, rob their stuff etc"
Him "So its more geared towards the political stuff then, its the Free Masons online with guns?"
Me *Facepalm*
I gave up trying tbh. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
631
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:32:00 -
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Information Agent wrote:Him "So its more geared towards the political stuff then, its the Free Masons online with guns?"
Me *Facepalm* To be fair, that's pretty spot on at timesGǪ
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GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Cerlin
Imperium Technologies
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.10.17 22:51:00 -
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As a player who got two of his IRL friend to join recently I think the biggest problem is explanation. This game is great for anyone who likes PVP and who is a real capitalist. With the right explanation and some start up capital it can be pretty easy to get people to play.
Although the best advertising I did so far was me starting to play then saying, "No, you wouldn't like it. It has a huge learning curve and takes forever to train."
Works every time... |
Hobogear
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.17 23:11:00 -
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Having just had 4 friends join in the past 6 months i have a bit of knowledge on this. Of the 4, 1 is a real gamer. He is the only one left. Eve is a hard game, its a great game but if you are looking for a great npc experiance you should go to wow or play console games. As much as the forum carebears will hate this, eve is a pvp game. That being said, if you have no isk it hard to pvp and actually be of value.
So, if they are truely gamers they will get into eve and enjoy it. If they are casual gamers they will hate it. |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.10.17 23:39:00 -
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The best game you'll ever play ~10% of the time. The other 90% is tedious as ****.
Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade
SLAPD Director |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:02:00 -
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I would say don"t bother, takes way to long to get going. |
Alice Saki
Ducklings
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:12:00 -
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I Started a Few Months Ago, And I'm glad I Did... Even if Most People would Pwn me I'm still Enjoying my Interwebby SpaceFlyingthingymabobs
My Null Roams.... Badger MKII :D They all-áHate my Stabby Badger... xD |
Carceret Rinah
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:34:00 -
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"Needs work. Watch this space for updates." |
Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:37:00 -
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This article from Ten Ton Hammer sums it up pretty well, methinks.
There are many more articles from that great site, and also from Massively.
Best advice is for your friends to join Eve University, like what countless others before me had advised.
Good luck to your friends (they're gonna need it  )! |
Alice Saki
Ducklings
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:38:00 -
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Shove Eve Uni Up your arse joining them involves filling out a bloody Job application... I tried got Bored, Went to NullSec xD
My Null Roams.... Badger MKII :D They all-áHate my Stabby Badger... xD |
Gealla
Capital Storm.
Bloodbound.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:52:00 -
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Eve online is like someone coming into your house and butt raping you, and you pay $15 a month for it.
On the upside, occasionally you get to go to other peoples houses.....
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:55:00 -
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I think I'd say that EVE is not for everyone. Some hate it, some like it.
Most of the people I invited like it quite a lot. Its complex, it is NOT just PVP, but you can meet with PVP or other unfortunate ends any time. It is about real loss, not respawning, which makes it more serious and gives more kicks.
Some go back to other games from time to time, because of WiS not being implemented and sitting in a hamster cage not being inspiring. But they also return, because the spaceship part kicks a$$ and we have fun flying together.
EVE is a good MMO for a group, it is not much fun solo, usually. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
53
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:58:00 -
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But then let me add that many MMORPGs of today should be renamed:
SOWSERPG (Solo Online With Some Extras RPGs).
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:58:00 -
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KFenn wrote:The best game you'll ever play ~10% of the time. The other 90% is tedious as ****.
Yup I think this just about sums it up.
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
20
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:59:00 -
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"it's good but by god if you join tell me so you can get your ass down to lowsec in a rifter while training instead of missioning all day" |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
268
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:05:00 -
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I would never admit I play Eve. That game is for dorkwads. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:09:00 -
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For me it's the way you can set up a complete surprise. In any other game you see a class and you know what they will be doing. With ships of course there are optimal setups for ships and and some more leftfield ones. Occasionally you will see a completely bizarre fit. A particular favourite of mine would have to be an old ECM myrmidon. (Yes you read that right) I was learning basic pvp ( well over a year ago now) and was very open minded. I managed to take on a drake and a brutix at the same time. Killed the brutix while jamming the drake and then escape the drake when I realised this frankenstein fit was not gonna break the tank.
Now it wouldn't work again in a month of sundays but that one time it did and while it was the pvp equivalent of flailing your arms and hoping to kill something, and to an outsider would have looked ridiculous, I can say it was a lot of fun.
Had a chat with the two lads and had a laugh about it and we went on our merry. I believe CCP calls this emergent gameplay. I call it pure chance but the result is the same. So that's my addition. The freedom to be ridiculous. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial
Shadow Directive
10
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:37:00 -
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I would tell them it's a deep and complex game that rewards intelligence and hard work. Also, I would let them know it's incredibly unforgiving.
Then I would tell them to ignore every lie about the community's supposed maturity. Seriously, I feel like I'm playing Runescape every time I log in. |
Evelyne Durant
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.18 01:50:00 -
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TL;DR:
Would i recommend EVE Online to a real life friend?
Well, since it's not about what you say, it's about what you do:
I never asked any of my rl friends to join me in EVE Online.
/TL;DR
If it wasn't for the people i played with, i would never have stayed in this game longer then 2 months.
I cba to run missions, i get sick and tired of them after running a couple, wormholes are a logistical nightmare.
Trading was nice occasionally, POS moon/planet reaction stuff is like a second job.
PvP wasn't really my thing either believe it or not, but the people i stuck around with are very good at it and trained me well, i got good at knowing when to fight and not, so i started to like it because i blew up a lot more then i lost, but i never ever went out alone.
Mining was boring, but nice, only because we stuck around on teamspeak and socialized while doing it and it allows you to watch a movie or something on a second screen.
CCP doesn't change this game fast enough, it takes forever for them to acknowledge something is broken and even longer to fix it.
And i'm not even sure that CCP apology letter is going to change anything.
Now im 100mil SP trained and have multiple alts, turned into a bitter vet who occasionally reads forums and keeps training characters, but log in only to change my training queue, not sure why.
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