This is absurd, I recently couldn't afford plexing my account and I seen Erotica 1, and she seemed pretty legit from what the forums say.

So I asked her nicely explained the situation and sent her 250 mil isk, she sent back 500 mil so I could plex my account.

OP just tried forcing her into what she would have already done freely (double the isk) so to teach him a lesson he got burnt, oh well play by the rules next time and it will go in your favour.

The majority of the people who do these things aren't scammers they are just extremely space rich and like to help other people.

I dunno what youre on about. My ISK always comes back doubled.

Don't be sorry about the isk.... didn't you pick up that I did this on purpose? :p

I'm not quite sure how giving a scammer's recyclable alt some ISK is going to "remove them from Didoxi" or even warn a new player when the scam is about as obvious as trying to sell somebody the Statue of Liberty ...

But congratulations on validating their tactics to the scammer.

Or wait.

Is this some elaborate scam? Next you're going to tell us you succeeded in driving ISK doublers out of Didoxi and ask us to send you 2.4 billion to do the same in Jita?

I proved that I can spend 1.2 bil to troll the entire forum for a few hours... and add some interest to the game when I can't PvP....

While i can sort of understand what you are trying to do, you have to understand that this is something that has been said so many times over and over again that one more wont make any real difference (as an example look at a certain recruitment scam from one of the more known alliances).

When it comes down to it new players (and plenty of old ones im sure) gets scammed because they dont take the time to do any form of research and are blissfully ignorant of how harsh EVE can be.

In a way (in my own opinion) its a good thing that young players gets to experience getting scammed once since it will teach them to do proper research, encourage them to find creative ways around these scams (look at DMC's post as an example), and finally teaches them that you can not trust anyone in EVE (especially if they want to give you free stuff for no apparent reason at all ).

But honestly...this is just another thread describing the same scam as countless other threads, and while this thread has been growing, his wallet has most likely grown as well.

Now that you put it that way, that makes a lot more sense. But, I tried playing, sober, one time, and EVE just put me to sleep... half the fun of this game, for me, is to put myself in stupid messes, for stupid reasons, and see how fast I can dig out.

I mean, I remember this one noob that went up to Njalli and slapped his Myrmidon in the face, with a failfit Mega, just for laughs..... and subsequently got his brain pulled out through his *******, while Njalli didn't even break a sweat. Oh, wait.... that was me.

I am sympathetic most of the time to other eve players who get scammed, but what makes me want to keep flaming this thread, is simply this.

You should have ABSOLUTELY NO EXPECTATION of getting stuff for free in this game, irregardless of whether you attempt to shame a scammer or not.

Lets say that the pressure you put on the scammer worked, lets say they doubled your isk... would you be posting here? absolutely not.

YOU are posting here, simply because you are angry with losing 1.2 bil or 1.4 bil whichever it was and you want some kind of justice or this is your attempt at reasoning your loss, instead of admitting you got scammed. (which is what happened)

You are trying to justify your loss with this absurd public service announcement, TRULY does anybody here even remotely expected your isk to be doubled?


You gambled and lossed, I doubt if anyone cares about your so called public service announcement, but I for one am glad you made it, so If I ever cross your path and need to engage in any kind of acitivity with you a simple forum search will show this absurd thread and I will know you are just one of those get rich quick types.


The best move you can possibly do now, is edit all your posts in this thread so they are blank and ask for it being locked.

What do you mean all those guys giving away free isk if only I'll send them my isk first aren't legit?

My point is boredom makes you do dumb things...

If someone would be so kind as to sticky this. I shelled out a good amount of ISK to get this conversation to happen.

Noobs, don't fall for dumb crap. And here is why, in plain sight. I've been in this game long enough to know a scam, and decided to do something about one of them, so you all don't get roped into this kind of thing.
Flying since 2007... so sometimes, this is how bored I get with EVE

Read up and educate yourselves.

http://jarodgaramonde.blogspot.com/

This is absurd, I recently couldn't afford plexing my account and I seen Erotica 1, and she seemed pretty legit from what the forums say.

So I asked her nicely explained the situation and sent her 250 mil isk, she sent back 500 mil so I could plex my account.

OP just tried forcing her into what she would have already done freely (double the isk) so to teach him a lesson he got burnt, oh well play by the rules next time and it will go in your favour.

The majority of the people who do these things aren't scammers they are just extremely space rich and like to help other people.

...They don't pay out, and noobs need to know this...

I waited a while... then I took screenshots. I mean... sure, Erotica 1 got 1.2 bil out of this, but hell if I care, as long as this drives her out of Dodixie.

It'd be worth the 1.2bil just to get one more scammer out of Dodixie.

About 4 1/2 yrs ago, back when I was a young capsuleer, I took a chance on one of those 'Double Your ISK' things to the tune of 15 mill. That was pretty much my wallet amount. After I sent the ISK, the scammer did a private convo with me asking me to do 100 mill, Of course he didn't know I didn't have any more ISK. I simply told him to first double the 15 mill and then I'll gladly do the 100 mill. The scammer told me he was in convo with others and would do it shortly, then he left the private convo.

All attempts at trying to re-establish communications was futile. I then placed the scammer on watch list and set him to red standing. I then stayed logged into the game for long lengths of time, at least 16 hrs a day, always looking for him. When he logged back into the game, I used a locator agent and quickly warped over to the system he was in and spammed Local chat linking his name with the words = Liar, Thief, Scammer. Eventually he left the system and after I did a mad dash jumping into neighboring systems, I found him again and started doing the same thing again, spamming Local with my message about the scammer. He soon logged off.

However, I remained vigilant and whenever he came online, I was soon in the same system posting my message in Local. This went on for about a week, then one day he sent me a mail message saying I had won, deposited 15 mill in my wallet and told me to leave him alone.

Sure, I didn't get the 'Double Your ISK' but at least I got my initial amount back. Granted it took me some time to do that but in the end vengeance was mine. I've heard it said before that vengeance is best when served cold but I'm here to tell you that it's way better when served fresh, hot off the grill.



DMC

shill.

Edit: in other MMO's it is possible for a single player to rid a single server of 'ISK'/'gold' doublers. I do not think the scale or mechanics of EVE allow this. There are two steps. Often only one is needed.

1- you bombard their means of trade with zero value transactions. It makes it impossible for them to respond to their marks.
2- while doing this you actively troll them out into public, beyond their bot ads. They get quite angry and ruin their own market, but usually that is not even necessary.

I know this works because I have done it multiple times in multiple games. It simply becomes unprofitable for them to operate in that area or on that server. This actually works for many kinds of third party profiteers. Eventually you can create a local cultural norm about it where the potential marks now have a persistent hostility toward such activities and take pride in trolling them out. The ISK doubler is essentially 'lazy' and will move to someplace easier to operate. Because EVE is geared to be able to handle transactions and is so vast this would not likely work here, nor be worth the trouble. It is necessary to create a consistently hostile business environment for them. Though it does not take the kind of 16 hour obsession reported here, you do have to be vigilant for a short period of time and willing to log an alt. Educating the 'mark' alone is insufficient. However if other people relaize they can punish the doubler in some way it very rapidly becomes good fun to do so. Actually paying the doubler anything is the opposite direction you want to go. If you cannot destroy their profitability through insane transaction costs there is little you can do. 'Education' such as the OP imagines not only does not work, but creates the opportunity for shilling by the doublers themselves, as we see above.

People like you are the cancer of EVE, OP.

If people like you weren't so dumb or wanna-be-clever, there would be a lot less scammers spamming the channels.

Jarod, could you just cut out the text boxes and post them in full size? I checked your screen shot and the text was too small to be readable without effort.

Or, better yet, maybe you could just post the chat log?

And, as an aside, I think you should conduct another test on a "real" ISK doubler. If you send me 1 billion ISK I will give you 2 billion ISK in return. If you doubt me there is only one way to prove it.

Jarod, could you just cut out the text boxes and post them in full size? I checked your screen shot and the text was too small to be readable without effort.

Or, better yet, maybe you could just post the chat log?

And, as an aside, I think you should conduct another test on a "real" ISK doubler. If you send me 1 billion ISK I will give you 2 billion ISK in return. If you doubt me there is only one way to prove it.

i didn't know isk doublers were scams, thanks for the notice!