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Morsus Argent	Posted - 2005.09.24 09:53:00 - [151] Originally by: DOUGWINGER If you have a fully insured BS and gank a mining barge you will usually get more than you would for selling it, I made like 50mil off the one I killed. Interesting. Where's the risk? Let me explain. Apparently, if there's reward, we need risk. So, for example, if a fairly new player is moving their possessions around in secure space in an industrial, it's only right they have the risk of being totally and unavoidably obliterated if they go through a gate at the wrong time. Because, after all, they have that potential reward of getting their stuff from A to B! So if moving stuff around carries a risk of being completely, inescapably, annhiliated, then for something that can give 50 million ISK rewards, we presumably need a much heftier risk. I see the cost. You get blown up. But that's not a risk, you know that's going to happen. That's already taken into account. I suppose the mining barge might escape, leaving you with nothing. Or they might even have persuaded friends to sit around doing nothing for protection. But since you're the one starting the fight, that's pretty much in your control - if barge A is ready to run, or guarded, move on to barge B. So not really that much risk there either. So, for moving possessions from A to B in an industrial, we have a risk of being unavoidably obliterated. For ganking a mining barge and making 50 million ISK, we have the risk of... um... er... dang.
Amon Evakrace	Posted - 2005.09.24 15:02:00 - [152] lol funny thread, after readin through it all, miz does sound like a tard, but makes the game that bit more interestin so keep it up if you can afford it and the true miz equation is miz = ( + ) x = + / - - - - - - - - - - - -= Mean and Mercenary =-
Firstname Lastname	Posted - 2005.09.25 07:20:00 - [153] Originally by: Morsus Argent Originally by: DOUGWINGER If you have a fully insured BS and gank a mining barge you will usually get more than you would for selling it, I made like 50mil off the one I killed. Interesting. Where's the risk? Let me explain. Apparently, if there's reward, we need risk. So, for example, if a fairly new player is moving their possessions around in secure space in an industrial, it's only right they have the risk of being totally and unavoidably obliterated if they go through a gate at the wrong time. Because, after all, they have that potential reward of getting their stuff from A to B! So if moving stuff around carries a risk of being completely, inescapably, annhiliated, then for something that can give 50 million ISK rewards, we presumably need a much heftier risk. I see the cost. You get blown up. But that's not a risk, you know that's going to happen. That's already taken into account. I suppose the mining barge might escape, leaving you with nothing. Or they might even have persuaded friends to sit around doing nothing for protection. But since you're the one starting the fight, that's pretty much in your control - if barge A is ready to run, or guarded, move on to barge B. So not really that much risk there either. So, for moving possessions from A to B in an industrial, we have a risk of being unavoidably obliterated. For ganking a mining barge and making 50 million ISK, we have the risk of... um... er... dang. The downside of it is you can only do it a few times before you ruin yor sec.
ManOfHonor	Posted - 2005.09.25 07:54:00 - [154] Edited by: ManOfHonor on 25/09/2005 07:55:28 now, if this isn't exploiting (cause ya loose yr ship)... isn't this griefing? -_- some damn loosers you must be what are ya, twelve? or maby yr a 30-year old with no life, no friends, no ambitions or goals, and you just realized it? how pathetic _____________________________ NPC Asteroid Belt Bases Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self
Razner Cerizo	Posted - 2005.09.25 08:47:00 - [155] Because everyone knows, actually making money by not mining is a bad bad thing.
Morsus Argent	Posted - 2005.09.25 11:55:00 - [156] Originally by: Firstname Lastname The downside of it is you can only do it a few times before you ruin yor sec. But that's not a risk either. You know that happens. You might as well say that the downside of mining is that you can only do it for so long before your hold gets full. Different scale, same principle.
Ashley Sky	Posted - 2005.09.25 16:44:00 - [157] Empire killing is one of my favorite topics. Your name will be remembered. Good show, sir.
ASIV TRE	Posted - 2005.09.25 18:42:00 - [158] Originally by: Ashley Sky Empire killing is one of my favorite topics. Your name will be remembered. Good show, sir. OH yeah u and some other people claimed to have blown up aload of mining barges then it turned out you hadnt and were just trying to get attention on the forums
Tristran Sarmatae	Posted - 2005.09.25 20:32:00 - [159] I don't see the point of bragging that you have killed in Oursulaert. since most players there are in erly stages and the best ships they have are velators and tristans. So CONCORD are not responsible you are you killed 33 innocent starting players which had no quarell with you. do what you want to CONCORD they have never helped me so why is the best way to get at them to destroy people they don't care about anyway!
Cassendra	Posted - 2005.09.25 21:43:00 - [160] Originally by: Miz Cenuij Tonight I flew into this central hub trading system along with my slave boy. I arrived with 8 geddons, an indy full of large smartbombs and the firm intention of sending Concord and the empire scum they protect straight to hell. Over the next 1.5 hours over 33 pilots lost thier ships and/or pods in this "safe" 0.9 Concord ridden system. These sensless deaths could have been avoided if Concord had submited to my demands for the gates of empire to be opened to the criminal element of the Eve universe. However despite thier failed attempts to cease these attacks on thier flock of carebears, they refused to submit to my demands, as such THEY are responsible for these deaths. Unless a representitive from the filth that is Concord contacts me to discuss terms for thier surrender I will continue to return to secure systems and murder thier lowlife inbred inhabitants. KILL A COP, SAVE A PIR8 FROM JAIL. NB: no exploit was used in the above actions as verified a GM at the time. Respect --------x--------- Cassendra Assassin. Merc. Pirate. Crusaders
Cassendra	Posted - 2005.09.25 21:44:00 - [161] Originally by: Tristran Sarmatae I don't see the point of bragging that you have killed in Oursulaert. since most players there are in erly stages and the best ships they have are velators and tristans. So CONCORD are not responsible you are you killed 33 innocent starting players which had no quarell with you. do what you want to CONCORD they have never helped me so why is the best way to get at them to destroy people they don't care about anyway! Shut up, carebear :P --------x--------- Cassendra Assassin. Merc. Pirate. Crusaders
umah	Posted - 2005.09.26 02:49:00 - [162] Ok, let's see, the bounty system is supposed to take care of this. You gets a low security rating, and a big bounty. Except, the bountyee gets to collect his own bounty making a fool out of the Bountyer. Reason being, bountyer gets a fine new clone, although costly, still maybe worth the difference. Well, make the bountier pay double the difference for the new clone, so's he not only makes no money off the bounty, but pays up, or runs around skill vulnerable till he does. They was a really long thread about fixing bounties many moons ago where this and all the other good ideas already got ignored. Anywho, fars as I know, Miz is doing a grand job building up the Armageddon market, so's me hat's off to him.
Bryndal	Posted - 2005.09.26 04:32:00 - [163] Hey Miz, top job you evil git you. Cant wait for the next one :) Anyone who quits cause of this prolly should remember its a game therefore not to be taken so dead seriously. Same goes for all the guys flaming miz for this. Change the game for one persons actions? pppfffrrtt More power to miz, If i had a geddon id donate it to him :)
Caia	Posted - 2005.09.26 07:29:00 - [164] I hate pirates. Don't take that the wrong way, though. Its part of the PVP element of the game. Really, this wouldn't be half as much "fun" without them. Miz you're either insane, very rich or (probably) both. These aren't bad traits, per se. They certainly did liven up Ours for the minutes that all this carnage went down. I'm not sure if I respect you any more than the rest of the pirates, but I'm now very scared of you. To everyone who says that he made newbies quit. So? If they can't handle losing a Frigate, there's no way they'd be able to handle losing a BS. Honestly, you lose a ship, you suck it up and buy another. You get podded, you suck it up and buy new implants. Such is life in Eve. Anyone who isn't willing to accept that should stop playing now. Go try a non-PVP game.
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:49:00 - [165] Originally by: Caia To everyone who says that he made newbies quit. So? If they can't handle losing a Frigate, there's no way they'd be able to handle losing a BS. Honestly, you lose a ship, you suck it up and buy another. You get podded, you suck it up and buy new implants. Such is life in Eve. Anyone who isn't willing to accept that should stop playing now. Go try a non-PVP game. So you are saying CCP losing customers is a good thing?
Insane Angel	Posted - 2005.09.27 02:39:00 - [166] Originally by: Natasha Kerensky Originally by: Caia To everyone who says that he made newbies quit. So? If they can't handle losing a Frigate, there's no way they'd be able to handle losing a BS. Honestly, you lose a ship, you suck it up and buy another. You get podded, you suck it up and buy new implants. Such is life in Eve. Anyone who isn't willing to accept that should stop playing now. Go try a non-PVP game. So you are saying CCP losing customers is a good thing? Aint Mizs problem. CCP's problem. Hes roleplaying and hes following the rules. **** off.
SULAN BARHIR	Posted - 2005.09.27 09:19:00 - [167] ccp losing non pvp-oriented players is a good thing... so yea *Don't get in my Hit List. It's hard to get out.*
ASIV TRE	Posted - 2005.09.27 09:35:00 - [168] Originally by: Caia To everyone who says that he made newbies quit. So? If they can't handle losing a Frigate, there's no way they'd be able to handle losing a BS. Honestly, you lose a ship, you suck it up and buy another. You get podded, you suck it up and buy new implants. Such is life in Eve. Anyone who isn't willing to accept that should stop playing now. Go try a non-PVP game. Where as PVP does play abig part in Eve its not the only thing that makes this game, thats why it is so good. Even one of the dev's i believe said thats why they have secure and unsecure space, if you want to stay out of pvp in eve it should be possible as it should be upto you how you play this game. Also if you had been playing this game like 2 days and u get podded in your very first frig, in what you thought was secure space i think you might think twice about carrying on playing this game
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:25:00 - [169] I like attention too, can i have some also?? "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.." http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.09.27 15:55:00 - [170] Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 27/09/2005 15:56:07 Originally by: SULAN BARHIR ccp losing non pvp-oriented players is a good thing... so yea EDIT: never mind, i dont feel like arguing with this guy ----------------------------------- Originally by: Solo Pwnmobile Destroyed items: Type: Ogre I (Drone Bay) Type: Dread Guristas Spinnaz -I (Fitted - Bling slot)
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.09.27 17:02:00 - [171] Related continuation: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=229087 ♥♥♥♥♥
Tristran Sarmatae	Posted - 2005.09.27 17:13:00 - [172] Originally by: Cassendra Originally by: Tristran Sarmatae I don't see the point of bragging that you have killed in Oursulaert. since most players there are in erly stages and the best ships they have are velators and tristans. So CONCORD are not responsible you are you killed 33 innocent starting players which had no quarell with you. do what you want to CONCORD they have never helped me so why is the best way to get at them to destroy people they don't care about anyway! Shut up, carebear :P what a delightful adition to the discussion i was simply stating that the way to get at CONCORD is not through the people they don't care for i.e everyone in the game whos not controlled by a computer i myself don't care for CONCORD they have not helped me anytime ive been in trouble so by all means hassle CONCORD ships. just don't go to the trouble of masacering 33 innocents to try and get them to open the gates to pirates.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.09.27 18:01:00 - [173] Miz is just showing that CONCORD, and other higher-level NPCs should pod people they're aggressive to. The current setup is like this: Concord: Ok we blew up his ship, we won't touch his pod though. miz gets into another ship Concord: SHIP! FIRE! KILL!!! If you've got a low enough sec status, CONCORD and the governemtn ships should opne fire on you, ship or pod. Same goes for pirates who REALLY hate you (and are higher level). I noticed no players go after Miz when he does this stuff. WHY? He's -9.9 sec, so concord wouldn't attack someone for podding him (i think), and even if they did, the 30+ mil bounty would be worth it for a new player. I logged in last night, ready to go take that chance, and he was leaving when I got there (I missed all the 'fun' ). Still, surely it wouldn't be hard for a player with a couple months of time to pin him down and nuke his pod straight to hell, would it?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.09.27 18:58:00 - [174] I dont get this part, if he is -9.9. How did he get into Jita with an Arma and terrorises the place without being shot down by Concord the moment he enters the system? ♥♥♥♥♥
ASIV TRE	Posted - 2005.09.27 19:36:00 - [175] Edited by: ASIV TRE on 27/09/2005 19:39:15 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I dont get this part, if he is -9.9. How did he get into Jita with an Arma and terrorises the place without being shot down by Concord the moment he enters the system? Have alook earlier on in this thread he explains there, i heard miz is doing this coz he tried to get into the carebear club but they wouldnt accpet him
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.09.27 20:00:00 - [176] Originally by: ASIV TRE Edited by: ASIV TRE on 27/09/2005 19:39:15 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I dont get this part, if he is -9.9. How did he get into Jita with an Arma and terrorises the place without being shot down by Concord the moment he enters the system? Have alook earlier on in this thread he explains there, i heard miz is doing this coz he tried to get into the carebear club but they wouldnt accpet him Perhaps I have misunderstood something. I thought he would be able to fly an arma into Jita in the first place, nevertheless, killing so many peeps on Jita once he entered it? I am confused ;s Sorry. ♥♥♥♥♥
ASIV TRE	Posted - 2005.09.27 20:31:00 - [177] Well i think he got his alt to take the ships out to a SS and eject, he comes in, in his pod and goes to the safe, his alt then scouts out a suitable defenceless person, he gets in ships warps straight to alt and bang. Or thats how i think he did it if anyone would like to correct me please do
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.09.27 20:45:00 - [178] Originally by: ASIV TRE Well i think he got his alt to take the ships out to a SS and eject, he comes in, in his pod and goes to the safe, his alt then scouts out a suitable defenceless person, he gets in ships warps straight to alt and bang. Or thats how i think he did it if anyone would like to correct me please do Thanks for the explanation. Sounds logical though except for one thing. Wouldnt the moment when he enters the ship from his pod, Concord will just spawn immediately and nuked him to a pod? ♥♥♥♥♥
Morsus Argent	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:00:00 - [179] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Thanks for the explanation. Sounds logical though except for one thing. Wouldnt the moment when he enters the ship from his pod, Concord will just spawn immediately and nuked him to a pod? From the first page of this thread: Originally by: Miz Cenuij ...I warped in in my pod, boarded the ship and fired up the smartbombs. The concord scum then warped in and started to light my ship up. Sometimes I even managed two activations of the bombs thanks to the shield extenders in my med slots.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:05:00 - [180] Originally by: Morsus Argent Originally by: Miz Cenuij ...I warped in in my pod, boarded the ship and fired up the smartbombs. The concord scum then warped in and started to light my ship up. Sometimes I even managed two activations of the bombs thanks to the shield extenders in my med slots. Thanks I did miss something but also got confused about the part here... "... boarded the ship and fired up the smartbombs." Concord will nuke him when he fires up his bombs, however, when he enters his ship from a pod, he is still free to make himself a living missile by warping to his alt and active his bombs. My confusion is, shouldnt he be nuked as he enters his ship from pod? Thanks for making it clear for me. A bit slow here, sorry. LOL. ♥♥♥♥♥

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