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Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:40:00 -
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H2O Hairey wrote:Scanning is made easier, ice-belt in high sec will be removed,
but the new Gravimetric (Ore) sites will contain enough ice for the high-sec markets.
(New Ice Belt names: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt)
So what if these chances are made to make it "harder" to use ice bots.
The prices to ice products will only be affected a little bit.
I'll ride with the first speculation wave, and then sell it fast.
This is a little deceptive. Static (permanent) ice fields in highsec, are being replaced with gravimetric ice belts in highsec, that will deplete and respawn.
As for botting, it will all come down to whether or not the ice belts stay in the current ice systems, or move system to system. If they remain in the current system, the bots will only need a slight adjustment to their script, and will experience little to no change in efficiency. |
Isonda
suspended animations DOT
None Of The Above
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:30:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:H2O Hairey wrote:Scanning is made easier, ice-belt in high sec will be removed,
but the new Gravimetric (Ore) sites will contain enough ice for the high-sec markets.
(New Ice Belt names: Blue Ice Belt, White Glaze Belt, Smooth Glacial Mass Belt)
So what if these chances are made to make it "harder" to use ice bots.
The prices to ice products will only be affected a little bit.
I'll ride with the first speculation wave, and then sell it fast. This is a little deceptive. Static (permanent) ice fields in highsec, are being replaced with gravimetric ice belts in highsec, that will deplete and respawn. As for botting, it will all come down to whether or not the ice belts stay in the current ice systems, or move system to system. If they remain in the current system, the bots will only need a slight adjustment to their script, and will experience little to no change in efficiency.
Actually.. This will lead to having a team of 10 macks and 2 bumpers with orca support being able to keep bots from cashing in.
Bumping macks out of range will now be profitable for mining corps. |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.29 07:04:00 -
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Boy Wunder wrote:So, thoughts on how nuts it has gotten over the last five hours?
Mostly speculation and Goon market manipulation, I would think, 'cause most actual POS owners are already stocked up.
It was the last Goon speculation in ice - the ice interdiction - which prompted most of the hardcore industrialists to build up their stockpiles, after the interdiction ended. Many industrialists are sitting on years worth of fuel for their POS towers, acquired long before Odyssey was announced. I know one paranoid fellow who had stockpiled 10 years worth of fuel for each of his towers.
The 80% of ice remaining in high-sec should be more than enough to keep all of those stockpiles topped off for a long time. |
kyrieee
Snuff Box
Urine Alliance
119
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Posted - 2013.04.29 09:20:00 -
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Can't wait for all the "I bought the fuel for cheap so I'm making a profit on this POS" people  |
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:25:00 -
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kyrieee wrote:Can't wait for all the "I bought the fuel for cheap so I'm making a profit on this POS" people
In some respect those people are correct. It will depend on how long of a supply they purchased and how effectively they manage an active tower. There is no doubt that POS fuel will become much more expensive, this will have a trickle down effect on the tech 2 market and BPC market. Faction towers will also has a shorter payback period.
Moon mining, reactions, and BPO research are not free, so expect higher fuel price to bake itself into these markets in some way. There is the potential to add significant value to that fuel if those people have stockpiled or purchased fuel for cheap. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
522
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:47:00 -
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OllieNorth wrote:I actually knew about it from the beginning. My main actually suggested it to The Mittani.
I'm simply avoiding exploiting it out of a sense of fair play . . .
I didn't LOL but I did snort really loud. |
Laveaolous
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
16
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Posted - 2013.04.29 11:02:00 -
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kyrieee wrote:Can't wait for all the "I bought the fuel for cheap so I'm making a profit on this POS" people
If they bought the fuel cheap then they have made a profit on the FUEL. The opportunity cost of not realising that profit by selling it back to the market should be accounted for in costing the ongoing operations of the POS. If it is not a profitable POS at the new fuel prices then it should cease.
However this is EVE and a game, so people will do whatever they want, and thats fine by me, In RL I would not take such a relaxed approach because there can be real consequences to not understanding your costs.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:52:00 -
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Given that the "80%" as stated by CCP represents every single chunk of ice reaching the market in one form or another, and thus optimistic to say the least, it should be remembered that there are many ways to disrupt that supply. It's going to be fun.
Optimism is cheap. Ice is not. Welcome to EVE. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
28
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Posted - 2013.05.07 08:49:00 -
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just to be clear - that 80% doesn't have to reach the market, a POS tower's fuel bay is good enough |
Joao Braga
Titan Core
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:33:00 -
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This reminds me a lot of the pi speculation before patch, everyone stocked so much that when the patch hit for more than an year and even now some stuff is not profitable to build.The same could happen with ice seeing how prices on fuel, ice and isotopes have fallen down like a rock just few days after the hype. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
998
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:38:00 -
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Joao Braga wrote:This reminds me a lot of the pi speculation before patch, everyone stocked so much that when the patch hit for more than an year and even now some stuff is not profitable to build.The same could happen with ice seeing how prices on fuel, ice and isotopes have fallen down like a rock just few days after the hype.
the main reason why most higher tier PI products are not profitable is compression. try hauling a month's worth of P1 out of a C4...
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:40:00 -
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If you ever mined Gravi site in Hisec, you are completly aware that amount of minerals in m3 on said gravi is poor in best case (50k-100km3 on average).
So when Ice mining will be moved to exploration system gravi Ice belts may contain very little of Ice.
Personally I think Ice miners will be forced to move to lowsec gravi sites or nullsec to keep Ice production volumes at current level.
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Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:57:00 -
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Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:Personally I think Ice miners will be forced to move to lowsec gravi sites or nullsec to keep Ice production volumes at current level.
what gave you that idea, was it fozzy saying that the new ice anoms will only produce 90% of current demand?
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
13
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:57:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:Personally I think Ice miners will be forced to move to lowsec gravi sites or nullsec to keep Ice production volumes at current level.
what gave you that idea, was it fozzy saying that the new ice anoms will only produce 80% of current demand?
All ice anoms, not Hisec Ice anoms.
While in lowsec gravi sites are very common and plentifull, in hisec it's another story.
I probe 10 - 15 star systems each day and every day.
Sure we dont know how many gravi ice spawns there will be or how high yeld they will be but if CCP just add them to curent exploration system i wouldnt expect to mine Ice in hisec too often. |
Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:36:00 -
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CCP has lots of possibilities to adjust the ice market, if it develops into an unwanted situation:
- They can modify spawn rates
- They can modify spawn size
- They can modify production requirements
- They can modify fuel consumption rates
- etc
So the question is not what will happen like the consequences of some unavoidable natural event, but what CCPs wants to happen.
My guess is, that CCP wants to motivate high-sec players to move more into low-sec and null-sec. Unfortunately, that will not happen or at best in very limited quantities only. After more then 15 years MMORPG experience I can say, that carebears will rather leave the game, when it becomes to frustrating or cumbersome to stay, than give up their carebear mindset.
Caldari fuel blocks in particular are needed by carebears for high sec research POSes. When those blocks become much more expensive because of ice scarcity, they would just stomach the increased costs and raise their prices a bit. If the costs become prohibitive to continue with their gameplay, they may try to do something different in high-sec, or they would stop playing the game. Only a very small minority would consider to go to low-sec or null-sec.
Where we are back at the beginning of this posting. CCP will realize the effects of its actions to its subscriber base. If it starts to hurt, they will tweak at one or more of the above mentioned points. So in the long run, the price of Caldari fuel blocks will adjust to a generally accepted and acceptable level, in my guess not much higher then now before inflation adjustments.
"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
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