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Darwins Hammer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:14:00 -
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I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.
The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.
But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.
What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.
Thanks for your input |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
94
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:20:00 -
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Battlecruisers? I dunno, feck, just train your cap support skills a bit. Or maybe try something other than missions? 'Low Skillpoints' seems to be a catchall excuse for people, but it's not one I subscribe to.
Roll an alt with cap transfer ability? Bring a friend? Level 4's were originally designed to be group activities, not solo ISK making fountains. While I'm certainly no advocate of moving 4's to lowsec (because 3's are a pain in the butt), but I am in favour of making them more difficult, and this is a step in the right direction. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1321
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:23:00 -
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cap boosters |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
561
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:24:00 -
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Use their droneboat?
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Anunzi
High House Of Shadows Tribal Band
109
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:39:00 -
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Feligast wrote:cap boosters
+1
Im curious as to what else you would put in mids slots, in a boat that is only ever going to do missions.
"On we fly, on wings of thunder, never more to sheath our swords" |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
693
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:41:00 -
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HAM Legion. Oh god. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
144
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:42:00 -
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Darwins Hammer wrote:I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.
The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.
But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.
What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.
Thanks for your input
cross train for drones and projectile turrets or missiles (cruise) so that when the new hotness Armageddon hits your body will be ready for it. Probably better to train up projectiles if you have already invested in gunnery though those cruise missile changes may mean you should look at the more stalwart Drake or Raven. |
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:45:00 -
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Your question is subjective. I love my Abbadon! Not because she is the most effective isk maker, but because she gives me chills when I fly her. I love watching her eight heavy beam lasers in unison as they melt the reactors of my blood raider enemies reactor cores.
Fly what you like. There is no one WIN ship. ISD Gallifreyan Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2416
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:45:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:HAM Legion. Bacon.. the solution to everything. |
Darwins Hammer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:49:00 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote:Your question is subjective. I love my Abbadon! Not because she is the most effective isk maker, but because she gives me chills when I fly her. I love watching her eight heavy beam lasers in unison as they melt my blood raider enemies reactor cores.
Fly what you like. There is no one WIN ship.
You completely missed the tone of this question. Please read again |
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Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
24
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:52:00 -
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It is not going to be as bad as some make it out too be. after all laser turret cap use will be lowered. Also stay with the apoc and learn micro jump drive. Works very well to avoid damage and not have too use your reps as you will always be out of the range of any rat in new eden. [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7059/c00286794da9496e2b391.jpg[/IMG]
Rule 34 ^ |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
225
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:19:00 -
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It is actually going to be as bad as people make it out. Because Lasers had such crippling cap they were virtually unusable on a PvE boat without a cap bonus. The 'Cap buff' doesn't change that much at all, they still use magnitudes more than anything else, for similar damage. (& take more PG by a major amount also) Cap Boosters simply do not work for PvE boats when you need longer term cap stability.
That said... it is still worth training for Amarr. If you can struggle through the lower skills, and get to the top end, the boats become useable, the Paladin is going to improve, as is the Nightmare. And the Paladin/Nightmare are the top end Laser mission ships. You might not 'need' them for lvl 4 missions, but the Nightmare especially gets you into incursion fleets & will breeze through lvl 4's when fitted well. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1143
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:44:00 -
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Darwins Hammer wrote:I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.
The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.
But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.
What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.
Thanks for your input what on earth are you talking about ?? no mission boats any more ??? Amarr ships will still be great for missions except the armageddon , but something that goes with all amarr battle ships They only starts to shine when you got good to perfect skills in ALL the support skills so start training those engineering and mechanic skills asap I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
octahexx Charante
Morior Invictus. The Retirement Club
77
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:52:00 -
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whatever you do dont train missiles like someone said,when you skill gunnery skills you buff all types of turrets and crosstraining is minimal to swap what type is best,with missiles your stuck with the sp in a contained tree that doesnt benefit anything else.
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
245
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Posted - 2013.04.22 10:52:00 -
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Cap stability is overrated. I've been doing missions with 1 min cap duration for years. I'm not sure yet whether my favorite Amarr battleship is the Apocalypse or Armageddon now, but both perform admirably, Geddon thanks to drones, selectable damage and newly buffed Cruises, while Apoc is like an oversized Omen, only better - it has blaster-like tracking with Pulses <3
EDIT: side note - slot by slot, Cruise Missiles are by far the most damaging weapon system now. Combined with fully selectable damage, they make one hell of an alternative to artillery as a capless weapon, particularly in situations where instant alpha isn't necessary. You'll need to skill up a completely new set of support skills, true, but then that'll help you with Khanid ships and the Legion too and I have this strange hunch that we're about to see a lot more missile ships in pvp now as well. |
Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1337
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Posted - 2013.04.22 11:41:00 -
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You know they are reducing the cap usage of large lasers at the same time, right? quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Anunzi
High House Of Shadows Tribal Band
110
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Posted - 2013.04.22 11:53:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:You know they are reducing the cap usage of large lasers at the same time, right?
Comon bro, that would involve actually reading patch notes "On we fly, on wings of thunder, never more to sheath our swords" |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
442
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:00:00 -
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Abaddon was my first lvl4 boat. At first I got Apoc but I didn't use it as it's so damn fugly to my taste (no, really). It was fine. Slow, but what would you expect from low-skilled pilot rushing a BS?
That's entry level. Speaking of advanced Amarr mission runners, it was always mostly Nightmare and Paladin, and we don't know what will happen to them... |
Mac Tir
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:08:00 -
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octahexx Charante wrote:whatever you do dont train missiles like someone said,when you skill gunnery skills you buff all types of turrets and crosstraining is minimal to swap what type is best,with missiles your stuck with the sp in a contained tree that doesnt benefit anything else.
...and when you train missile skills you buff all missiles.
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Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:23:00 -
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Mac Tir wrote:octahexx Charante wrote:whatever you do dont train missiles like someone said,when you skill gunnery skills you buff all types of turrets and crosstraining is minimal to swap what type is best,with missiles your stuck with the sp in a contained tree that doesnt benefit anything else.
...and when you train missile skills you buff all missiles.
Crosstrain everything. I did and now I can steal fly nearly everything! |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
154
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:23:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:It is actually going to be as bad as people make it out. Because Lasers had such crippling cap they were virtually unusable on a PvE boat without a cap bonus. The 'Cap buff' doesn't change that much at all, they still use magnitudes more than anything else, for similar damage. (& take more PG by a major amount also) Cap Boosters simply do not work for PvE boats when you need longer term cap stability.
You don't have to stick 150m3 of ammo in an amarr ship. I can't possibly see how you run out of cap boosters, even if you do have to run the booster a few extra cycles to cover a net cap deficit, than I do in a neutral without repping 5 gun domi.
Cap stability is a bad idea that costs you applied dps, and is a self perpetuating problem, because losing all your mids to a rack of cap rechargers means that you lack the ability to counter fit damps or jams and thus get stuck having to tank that dps instead of blowing it away, and since time is money, sitting there tanking stuff instead of blowing it away, eventually will cost you the whole ship you imagined you saved with cap stability.
Edit : I made a prophecy for something different for running L4 missions, and that is perfectly fine running on a cap booster, can't imagine it without omnis! |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
123
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:44:00 -
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I could be totally wrong here, so let me know.
It seems the Myrmidon is flown with projectile turrets because of two reason. The hull has no turret bonus, and the turrets use no cap. The pilot focuses on drones and uses capless, unbonused turrets for a bit of extra DPS and managing aggro.
The first thing I thought when the Armageddon changes were posted was that pilots would do the same with this. I don't fly the Myrmidon, or the old/new Armageddon, but couldn't you throw projectiles/launchers on it, use rat specific ammo, Warriors/Hobs depending on Angels/Everyone, rat specific tank, and then call it good?
Edit: Also incoming cruise damage buff. So maybe lean to missiles over projectiles? Just a thought. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1284
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Posted - 2013.04.22 13:45:00 -
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Obsidian Dagger wrote:Mac Tir wrote:octahexx Charante wrote:whatever you do dont train missiles like someone said,when you skill gunnery skills you buff all types of turrets and crosstraining is minimal to swap what type is best,with missiles your stuck with the sp in a contained tree that doesnt benefit anything else.
...and when you train missile skills you buff all missiles. Crosstrain everything. I did and now I can steal fly nearly everything!
Not to mention it makes you nerf proof. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:12:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Darwins Hammer wrote:I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.
The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.
But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.
What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.
Thanks for your input what on earth are you talking about ?? no mission boats any more ??? Amarr ships will still be great for missions except the armageddon , but something that goes with all amarr battle ships They only starts to shine when you got good to perfect skills in ALL the support skills so start training those engineering and mechanic skills asap
Agreed. You need to work on your support skills if you want to get the best out of bigger ships especially. Failing that lvl 3s are easily soloable in decently fitted t1 battlecruisers. More than enough income whilst skills train for lvl 4s. |
fukier
925
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:34:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Use their droneboat?
this At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4025
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:41:00 -
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If you want to complain about the proposed changes, just come right out and do it next time. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
172
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Posted - 2013.04.22 14:43:00 -
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Bes mission boats are not the ones that can tank longer.. But the ones that can kill faster the mission rats. Now apoc became WAY faster.
People are being really shortsighted. Lot sof people still think they need to keep the repairer turned on all time. You DONT. |
Random Majere
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
66
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:04:00 -
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In large fleet fight situations, how much EHP will the "new" abbadon have compared to the Maelstrom? |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1435
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:13:00 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote:Fly what you like. There is no one WIN ship.
*cough* tengu *cough*
Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4649
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Posted - 2013.04.22 15:31:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:HAM Legion. Because the HAM Tengu isn't infinitely better. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
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