cap boosters

I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.

The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.

But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.


What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.


Thanks for your input

HAM Legion.

Your question is subjective.
I love my Abbadon!
Not because she is the most effective isk maker, but because she gives me chills when I fly her.
I love watching her eight heavy beam lasers in unison as they melt my blood raider enemies reactor cores.

Fly what you like. There is no one WIN ship.

I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.

The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.

But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.


What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.


Thanks for your input

You know they are reducing the cap usage of large lasers at the same time, right?

whatever you do dont train missiles like someone said,when you skill gunnery skills you buff all types of turrets and crosstraining is minimal to swap what type is best,with missiles your stuck with the sp in a contained tree that doesnt benefit anything else.

...and when you train missile skills you buff all missiles.

It is actually going to be as bad as people make it out. Because Lasers had such crippling cap they were virtually unusable on a PvE boat without a cap bonus. The 'Cap buff' doesn't change that much at all, they still use magnitudes more than anything else, for similar damage. (& take more PG by a major amount also)
Cap Boosters simply do not work for PvE boats when you need longer term cap stability.

Crosstrain everything. I did and now I can steal fly nearly everything!

what on earth are you talking about ?? no mission boats any more ???
Amarr ships will still be great for missions except the armageddon , but something that goes with all amarr battle ships
They only starts to shine when you got good to perfect skills in ALL the support skills
so start training those engineering and mechanic skills asap

Use their droneboat?

Fly what you like. There is no one WIN ship.

HAM Legion.

Bes mission boats are not the ones that can tank longer.. But the ones that can kill faster the mission rats. Now apoc became WAY faster.

People are being really shortsighted. Lot sof people still think they need to keep the repairer turned on all time. You DONT.

I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.

The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.

But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.


What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.


Thanks for your input

Amarr will be fine, if not better than it was already.

So you saw the thread on BS changes in features and ideas? Well just below it is a thread detailing changes to large energy turrets.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=224896&find=unread

So your saying a ship your not skilled to fly isnt going to perform well? Imagine that...here is a piece of advice, stfu. Thats Skill The F#$@ Up

We're not asking for cap stability. We're asking to be able to fire our guns for a reasonable amount of time.
4 minutes is not reasonable.

I'm pretty sure my Oracle is cap stable if I turn off the MWD and Armour repper.

The Oracle is overpowered. I was talking about battleships. I specifically based my number there on the Abaddon.

Thanks for making my point.

How did Apoc become faster? It's not getting any more damage. All it's getting is more tracking.
If anything it's slower because you have to dedicate more modules to cap just to be able to keep your guns running. You'll probably end up fitting less heat sinks.

No, you don't have to keep your repairer running all the time. You do have to keep your guns running, and you can't even do that without several cap mods.

I decided to train up an Amarrian character and it was all going well for me until i heard about the changes to the Amarrian battleships in the next expansion. I have low skills and i was always told that the Geddon and the Abaddon where not great for low skilled characters as you ran out of cap very quickly and had major repping problems.

The Apocalyse was there as a great stand in as it had a bonus to cap which was very forgiving to low SP characters and allowed you to do level 4 missions.

But now that the cap bonus is being removed the Apoc will be as cap dependant as the Abaddon.


What options are there for a low skilled player who wants to train Amarr or will they be handicapped verses other races regarding battleships.


Thanks for your input

if you don't fly amarr ships then that's why you don't understand, having a better tracking will allow you to hit for more damage npcs of any size thus killing stuff faster, is that simple.

Are you talking to me? I sure hope not.

I was talking about the OP and anybody else that's gets confused about a ship that doesn't perform well and instead of looking at their skill sheet says the ship is just broke, do you fit in that category?

No, because I'm basing my evaluations of the ships on how they perform with all skills at level 5.
So that answers my question.

You mean the high slots that deplete your cap in 6 minutes?
And you're seriously saying that they should fit a cap booster when those run out in less than ten minutes as well?

You mean the high slots that deplete your cap in 6 minutes?
And you're seriously saying that they should fit a cap booster when those run out in less than ten minutes as well?

You mean the high slots that deplete your cap in 6 minutes?
And you're seriously saying that they should fit a cap booster when those run out in less than ten minutes as well?

Your question is subjective.
I love my Abbadon!
Not because she is the most effective isk maker, but because she gives me chills when I fly her.
I love watching her eight heavy beam lasers in unison as they melt my blood raider enemies reactor cores.

Fly what you like. There is no one WIN ship.

I did quite a bit of testing on Duality with the current Amarr changes.
If you don't have max fitting skills and max cap skills ... Train Gallente for PVE.
Yes it's that bad .. The Armageddon comes out ahead if you use Sentry IIs.
Other than that it's pretty bad for lower skill people.
The Apoc requires a minimum of 5 slots for cap (3 CCCs and 2 Cap recharger IIs) with max skills and it's not "cap stable"
The Abby has ALWAYS been cap horrible.
I honestly recommend any other race if you plan to do alot of PVE mission running or until you max your fitting and cap skills.

For more information you'll need to wade through the Features and Ideas section. Data has been posted in both the Amarr Battleship and Large Energy Turret Oddyssey threads.

The Oracle is overpowered. I was talking about battleships. I specifically based my number there on the Abaddon.

The Apocalypse gets 6 minutes, but that's still not enough. This is only the guns, here.

I had completely forgotton that I fit two cap recharger II's in my mid slots.

Oops. (I get about 3.5 minutes without them.)

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2843/fitting.png

--->support skills<---
so start training those engineering and mechanic skills asap

"Cap stability isn't important" isn't the same as "cap doesn't matter at all."
I myself like to champion the fact that if you know how to manage cap, you can go pretty far with less.
The problem is you can't even do that here because your guns alone deplete your cap in 5-6 minutes. Sure you can put more cap rechargers, etc. on but it still leaves you with less cap than you would have had otherwise. Less cap to run an armor repper or two. Less cap for a prop mod to help you close range.
Less staying power. Less security. Much less margin of error. And not for any significant gains.