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Edaine Numenor Numenor Benevolent Holdings 194	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:04:00 - [1] - Quote Behold, Your Empress Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Sofia Roseburn Coreli Corporation 7	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:44:00 - [2] - Quote Sounds like a good party. I don't see what the issue is. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier.
Sepherim PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 394	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:47:00 - [3] - Quote If Empress Jamyl I endorses, as she does, this festivities as they are happening, there is no more argument to be had. The Empire is full of people, a few dozen dead doesn't matter much if the Empress approves it. That said, event organizers should, probably, be more careful with their displays. Using a figure of Molok, or mocking the Empress are invitations to further chaos and problems. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 657	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:51:00 - [4] - Quote I wonder where's the outrage from imperial loyalists at these demonstrations? People on the Kador worlds have been whipped up into some sort of religious frenzy to the point of people jumping from cathedral roofs, setting themselves on fire and more yet, it's apparently fine. I guess the most extreme behavior is acceptable so long as it celebrates the Amarrian deity, at least according to the Empress. If these sorts of celebrations, with the attendant deaths, had happened in any of the other empires I can imagine the amount of self-righteous chest beating by the slavers that would have been spread across the IGS by now. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Sepherim PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 394	Posted - 2013.04.23 16:56:00 - [5] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: I wonder where's the outrage from imperial loyalists at these demonstrations? People on the Kador worlds have been whipped up into some sort of religious frenzy to the point of people jumping from cathedral roofs, setting themselves on fire and more yet, it's apparently fine. I guess the most extreme behavior is acceptable so long as it celebrates the Amarrian deity, at least according to the Empress. Indeed, it is. The Empress is God's voice in the galaxy, or the closest to it not counting the Scriptures. If she says it is right, then it is, there is nothing else to argue on the issue. Loyalty isn't measured on agreeing when they do what you like, loyalty is tested in the hard times and dark moments when they do. Thus, in such times, when we don't understand the reasons or the plans, we trust our supperiors, our leaders, our elders, to know what is right and guide us. In them, in the Empress, in the Empire, we place our loyalty and our faith, and walk blindly if needed. That is the amarrian path. Quote: If these sorts of celebrations, with the attendant deaths, had happened in any of the other empires I can imagine the amount of self-righteous chest beating by the slavers that would have been spread across the IGS by now. Thing is, I don't believe other factions have the voice of God guiding them, do they? If Tibus Heth had been appointed by God, and thus infallible and not limited by human weaknesses, then I would have no problem with him starting a war against the Gallente, killing his own people, etc. It'd be part of the Greater Plan which I can't understand but follow. Unfortunately, such is not the case, so all he is is a mad man willing to murder his own people for his vision of the future. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 277	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:00:00 - [6] - Quote To our Amarrian allies; May I suggest that the contracts with Caldari security forces be renewed? These additional personnel could be used to secure sites of limited historical or religious significance, freeing Amarr security personnel to attend to those sites and matters which benefit from their understanding of Amarrian custom and religious strictures. The presence of strongly-reinforced security forces may serve to moderate these revels, which may better honor the Empress's decree...? I speak as an outsider, so please forgive any ignorance on my part.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 657	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:10:00 - [7] - Quote How the hell do you know Heth didn't rise through the ranks with the help of some divine influence? Are you omniscient? Anyway, where you slavers see divinity I see a capsuleer who cloned herself to cheat death, paid someone to reverse engineer an ancient piece of technology and fooled you all into believing that she was acting in the name of your god. So, tell me, if your Empress ordered you all to light yourselves on fire because your god "spoke to her" and commanded that you show your obedience to his words in such an extreme manner, would you do it? Assuming there's no explicit scriptural prohibition and no contrary ruling from the Theology Council wouldn't you have to? If not, why not? I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
BloodBird Mixed Metaphor 160	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:18:00 - [8] - Quote Not surprising to see the Amarrian festivities getting a little out of hand, but it's apparently nothing to major to their highest authorities. I would advice the average non-Imperial to ignore any possible desire to condemn this in any way. Let the Empire's people do as they please, incidents or no incidents. It has nothing to do with anyone else and frankly, condemning them for their ways would be very hypocritical of anyone who don't like to have their people's ways spat on by anyone else. I sure don't so I will let them be. And honestly, considering the fact that the scale of these events span over several planets in several systems apparently, it's rather impressive they have not had more serious incidents happening yet. Anabella Rella wrote: I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr. They believe otherwise. That is all there is to it.
Synthetic Cultist Church of The Crimson Saviour 149	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:21:00 - [9] - Quote This is why the Human Female Breast should only be used by Qualified Personnel, and Only for the Intended Purposes. Down With This Sort Of Thing.
Sepherim PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 394	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:21:00 - [10] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: How the hell do you know Heth didn't rise through the ranks with the help of some divine influence? Are you omniscient? Anyway, where you slavers see divinity I see a capsuleer who cloned herself to cheat death, paid someone to reverse engineer an ancient piece of technology and fooled you all into believing that she was acting in the name of your god. I guess that's the realm of faith. Some have it, some don't. If there was a religion of followers of Heth I'd expect them to believe and accept his decisions. Since I don't follow such a religion, I don't have to. Quote: So, tell me, if your Empress ordered you all to light yourselves on fire because your god "spoke to her" and commanded that you show your obedience to his words in such an extreme manner, would you do it? Assuming there's no explicit scriptural prohibition and no contrary ruling from the Theology Council wouldn't you have to? If not, why not? Yes, I would. No questions asked. The Empress will is above everything else, and if my death can serve the Empire in any way, I will offer it to her without doubt, both in the frontlines as I already have, and in any other way necessary. Quote: I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr. You got it all wrong. I tell you why it is the case: the Amarr is an Empire, and a feudal/totalitarian one at that. Question is, why is this wrong? Why shouldn't it be? And why are the non-authoritarian paths any better? Why would one doubt, when the Will of God speaks? I understand that, without God appointed leaders, then critical thought is a virtue as they are men and women and, thus, fallible... but what happens when such is not the case? Then critical thought is the base of doubt, and doubt is the base of failure and weakness to follow the propper path. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 277	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:22:00 - [11] - Quote Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then.
Sepherim PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 394	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:23:00 - [12] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then. Such appears to be the case, yes. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Karmilla Strife Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships. 67	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:25:00 - [13] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then. There's nothing wrong with celebrating faith.
Makkal Hanaya Revenent Defence Corperation 353	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:28:00 - [14] - Quote The Empire has billions of people celebrating. While a handful of people dying or being injured is unfortunate, it's bound to happen with any large scale event. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 277	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:43:00 - [15] - Quote Ms. Strife; that's not my belief, nor would it be my place to criticize the empress even if it were my belief. Admittedly, it seems somewhat paradoxical to me that the highest authority in the largest, longest-lived empire in the cluster would see divinity in chaos, but I am, as said, an outsider. As the Amarrian religion is one that has spanned the ages, I have no doubt that ways of exploring and expressing the faith are many and varied, and that there is a hallowed tradition demonstrated here. But, again, I am an outsider, and in the State it often seems that such displays are more-- private, or at least discrete. Still, if this is sanctioned -- as it clearly is -- then it is by no means inappropriate. Indeed, just the opposite.
Adreena Madeveda Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 85	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:58:00 - [16] - Quote Amarr indulging in ecstatic cults and celebrations ? Maybe we managed to teach them something after all. ...................\o\ /o/...................
Vincent Pryce Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships. 66	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:31:00 - [17] - Quote The only people who can party as hard as the Gallente are the Amarr. People full of such inherent passion for life and purpose, as my wife has proven to me on many a times. Party on, people of the Empress.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 978	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:33:00 - [18] - Quote This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr.
Graelyn PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 421	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:37:00 - [19] - Quote Edaine Numenor wrote: Behold, Your Empress Said Empress is the only significant figure in Imperial power pushing for the reduction of Slaves kept in the Empire, and the practice's eventual abolition. Your constant hostility to her reign in public seems to indicate that your organization's goals could probably be better achieved if your leadership were replaced by a particularly verbose flock of geese. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 814	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:45:00 - [20] - Quote I expect topless-Jamyl costumes (including action swords) to be all the rage at this season's costume parties. Sabik now, Sabik forever
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 2484	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:52:00 - [21] - Quote Religious fanatics killing religious fanatics? Behold my apathy. Mane 614
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 161	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:55:00 - [22] - Quote Being awfully closeby and having the convenience of masked visitors not being frowned upon, I have attended some of the planetside festivities on Aphend IV personally; I can assure you the ambient is most charming. I'd wholeheartedly recommend everyone else to come and enjoy themselves. I'd advise to bring your own assets however. The local ones are of somewhat... low quality. Can't complain about the ladies, though. Send me a mail if you plan on visiting; I might arrange something special for you. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open.
Uriel Khaden Hedion University Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.04.23 19:14:00 - [23] - Quote The foolishness and impropriety of a minority of people aside, it is not unusual for the Empress to encourage celebration and appreciation of faith and blessings. While I am deeply disappointed in these displays of flagrance and debauchery, they are reflections of individual deprivation, not Imperial deprivation. I pray the local authority will deal appropriately and swiftly with these displays to discourage further similarities.
Vincent Pryce Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships. 70	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:07:00 - [24] - Quote Uriel Khaden wrote: While I am deeply disappointed in these displays of flagrance and debauchery, they are reflections of individual deprivation, not Imperial deprivation. Brave or dumb, depends who you ask, of you to countermand the blessings of your Empress. Is she not supposed to be only second to God? Quite the bold move for such a little man. I applaud you for that, through defiance comes greatness - or spectacular defeat - entertainment none the less. Still, is it Imperial one, when it's with the Empress' blessing, no?
Arista Shahni Real Simple Construction The Citadel Consortium 16	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:07:00 - [25] - Quote People are moved by Faith. Moved to an excess, beyond that which could be conisdered "safe", can happen in ways that can appear "positive" or "negative" to an outsider. However, the only one who truly and fully knows the impact of an individual's actions, is God, and we place our faith in God and our Empress that those things which come to pass during this time are wholly what was meant to. I suspect that it is this outpouring of faith bringing people out of their comfort zones of the every day and onto virgin ground in their own minds and habits to better reach for God is the "excess" of which the Empress speaks -- but applying to everything happening in all of the revelery - that which could be percieved as good or bad. When one reaches for the infinite, the results are unpredictable. We can only hope that each of us, individually, is prepared for what we will seize hold of. "I was dreaming once, and I dreampt of a world where I was nothing more than a biological fitting; a slave to the machine and crew, instead of the other way around. Don't you wonder at how easy it would have been for this scenario to happen, instead of how it actually unfolded?"
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 663	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:38:00 - [26] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr. Is this the new stock answer for everything in order to stifle debate? Or does this only apply to those who comment on Caldari and Amarrian issues? Not much point in this channel or any other communication medium in that case. I'll be sure to regurgitate this response when there are Matari "internal matters" that the rest of you decide to comment on. When you do, I'll be certain to point out your hypoicrisy as well. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Heinel Coventina University of Caille Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:15:00 - [27] - Quote It's healthy for pend up energy to be released. You guys are suppressing your people too much. Even though I don't necessarily like her, but, LEAVE JAMYL ALONE!!!
Uraniae Fehrnah Viziam Amarr Empire 217	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:45:00 - [28] - Quote These accidents and extreme indulgences during the course of otherwise energetic but peaceful celebration are unfortunate. However it is worth keeping in mind that for each incident of poor judgement that makes it into the news circulation there are going to literally be millions, even billions of other people involved in celebrations at the same exact time that aren't hurting anyone. The Empress only encourages the celebration because she should not have to tell any self respecting Amarrian to temper their excitement.
Makkal Hanaya Revenent Defence Corperation 356	Posted - 2013.04.24 01:42:00 - [29] - Quote Does anyone really think that the Empress should put an Empire wide religious celebration on hold because of these deaths? As one of the Faithful, I consider this loss of life tragic, and am ashamed that my Brothers and Sisters would behave so. At the same time, I believe this is a period of rejoicing. I want to give thanks for the many blessing God has bestowed upon my Kingdom, my Clan, and myself. No, I think the correct response isn't to stop the revelry. It's to come together with our family and friends, and remember how precious they are to us. It's to lift a cup to the glories of the past and to the wonders of the future. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 282	Posted - 2013.04.24 01:51:00 - [30] - Quote While I would never have made such an inference myself, it would appear that the news wires are not sure what to make of the empress of late: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empress-jamyl-i-becoming-increasingly-erratic-reports-say/
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 143	Posted - 2013.04.24 02:47:00 - [31] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: While I would never have made such an inference myself, it would appear that the news wires are not sure what to make of the empress of late: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empress-jamyl-i-becoming-increasingly-erratic-reports-say/ This is the kind of sensationlist lies that I'd expect from Gutter Press, not from credible news sources. Though I suppose you can't trust anything that is not ACN. Her Imperial Majesty is blessed by God and has ruled with great wisdom, regardless of what this blasphemous report says.
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 282	Posted - 2013.04.24 02:59:00 - [32] - Quote I agree with you that this manner of speculation doesn't qualify as 'news' at all. It's the sort of editorializing and opinionated response we'd expect from discussion on the Summit. I would be more concerned if her advisors were making note of volatility. As it stands...? The Scope is Gallente, and so we should naturally assume its reports are biased by Gallente editorial review.
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Tribal Band 745	Posted - 2013.04.24 03:13:00 - [33] - Quote In the Empress' defense, it all comes down to simple mathematics. With billions if not trillions of people celebrating, even outside of the Empire, odds are a handful are going to wind up hurting themselves. Say if there is a 1 in 100 million chance of getting hurt at one of these events, odds are that quite a few are going to get hurt when billions of people are involved. Should a Gallente concert get canceled because of a booster addict overdosing himself in the crowd? You simply cannot let a massive minority of people decide the fate of the majority. Point is, nearly everyone celebrating is safe and enjoying themselves. Let them. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 664	Posted - 2013.04.24 04:09:00 - [34] - Quote Interesting. So reports of Jamyl's aberrant behavior finally hit the mainstream press (something that's been hinted at and spoken of in hushed whispers for years, by the way) and you imperials brush just them aside as simply biased and sensationalized? She is a (cloned) human, after all, and prone to the same illnesses, physical and mental, that the rest of us are. Maybe you should do a little research rather than simply dismissing these reports out of hand? You know, often where one finds large quantities of smoke, something is combusting nearby. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Rodj Blake Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1265	Posted - 2013.04.24 06:47:00 - [35] - Quote The Empress is the Empress and as such it is wrong to publicly criticise her for as long as she is Empress. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Makkal Hanaya Revenent Defence Corperation 356	Posted - 2013.04.24 10:31:00 - [36] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: While I would never have made such an inference myself, it would appear that the news wires are not sure what to make of the empress of late: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empress-jamyl-i-becoming-increasingly-erratic-reports-say/ Let's see what this erratic behavior is. 1) She's sometime quiet and lost in thought. 2) She's sometimes angry with others 3) She sometimes argues with herself. I've seen those behaviors many time in people who are stressed and attempting to work under pressure. They're rather innocuous. Remember, she's the leader of the largest empire in the Cluster, engaged in a Reclaiming against the Minmatar, and the Amarr's closest ally appears to be about to plunge into some times of internal civil conflict. Oh, and not the mention the ongoing Incursions. It's not an easy job. She's the Empress, not a fabulous Princess from a holofilm. She's not a celebrity whose job it is to always look wonderful and never show worry or frustration. She's a leader, and real leadership takes a hell of a lot out of you. The other 'erratic' behaviors aren't difficult to understand. Someone under her moved forward with a wide-ranging reform without consulting her, so she got angry. When she saw the reform was having positive results, she supported it. An no, the Empress hasn't issued any official statements about the internal problems of the Caldari. Anything she says could increase an already volatile situation. But do you really think she hasn't had private meetings with members of the Caldari government? although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
Uriel Khaden Hedion University Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.04.24 11:53:00 - [37] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: While I would never have made such an inference myself, it would appear that the news wires are not sure what to make of the empress of late: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empress-jamyl-i-becoming-increasingly-erratic-reports-say/ What the "news" wants to make of the Empress is irrelevant. The Empire is not in the habit of bending to public opinion regarding its politics, policies or leader. For as long as the Empress remains on the throne of the Empire, she has the sworn allegiance of the Amarr Empire and all within it.
Kithrus Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance 249	Posted - 2013.04.24 12:22:00 - [38] - Quote GÇ£Our passion takes us to extremes that push us beyond everyday boundaries. Your actions appeal to the divinity that blesses my station, and it is only fitting that you would emulate it. Reach for heaven, fervent children of God.GÇ¥ I can understand the necessity to let ones hair down. Indeed its important to have rest when doing Gods work. Dieing of exhaustion when its not called for does no one no good. That being said the empress didn't say she endorses people ripping people off moving verticals. She said she understands that during sure merry making things can get.... interesting. She also said for us to reach for heaven which for those of you not familiar with Amarrian phases is the same as 'walk with God' 'staying in grace' ect. This is a nice way of saying do what would be morally applicable and applying common sense. No one is saying those deaths are okay, they are expected however when people get too over the top. I've heard of worse from sports fans honestly. The only reason this is reported on is because in the Empire its so damned uncommon. Now if you excuse me my cup is quite empty and party is long from over. Walk with God.
Ava Starfire Gradient Electus Matari 879	Posted - 2013.04.24 13:26:00 - [39] - Quote Silas Vitalia wrote: I expect topless-Jamyl costumes (including action swords) to be all the rage at this season's costume parties. My last Jamyl costume won me a prize at a party. I think this year... I will leave that to others. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Ava Starfire Gradient Electus Matari 879	Posted - 2013.04.24 13:27:00 - [40] - Quote Makkal Hanaya wrote: Let's see what this erratic behavior is. 1) She's sometime quiet and lost in thought. 2) She's sometimes angry with others 3) She sometimes argues with herself. Sounds like... you know, everyone I have ever met. Still, down with this sort of thing. Or something. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 1430	Posted - 2013.04.24 14:32:00 - [41] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr. Is this the new stock answer for everything in order to stifle debate? Or does this only apply to those who comment on Caldari and Amarrian issues? Not much point in this channel or any other communication medium in that case. I'll be sure to regurgitate this response when there are Matari "internal matters" that the rest of you decide to comment on. When you do, I'll be certain to point out your hypoicrisy as well. No, it's simply how the Caldari work. They tend to their own house. Same would go for any Empire. If a few State Citizens were killed, then maybe it would be a Caldari issue. But it didn't happen. His opinion doesn't stifle debate. If you think his one comment is stifling then that's your own problem. Nothing wrong with stating that as his opinion. So stop being touchy. Grow some thicker skin for crying out loud. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Gosakumori Noh Viziam Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2013.04.25 04:38:00 - [42] - Quote Reach for Heaven, Fermenting Children! What, sweetie? That's not what she said? Oh. My bad.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2653	Posted - 2013.04.25 15:11:00 - [43] - Quote Let's see.... Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations. Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security. Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate. And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism. Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race.
Arista Shahni Real Simple Construction The Citadel Consortium 17	Posted - 2013.04.25 15:17:00 - [44] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race. From a wide enough perspective, that's all anyone can see. ;) "I was dreaming once, and I dreampt of a world where I was nothing more than a biological fitting; a slave to the machine and crew, instead of the other way around. Don't you wonder at how easy it would have been for this scenario to happen, instead of how it actually unfolded?"
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 670	Posted - 2013.04.25 18:12:00 - [45] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: ...Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate... What tribal issues are you referring to? There are no inter-tribal squabbles now. As a matter of fact, we've all united behind Karin Midular and are praying for her recovery. You're also wrong that we've forgotten about the threat posed by the Amarr. We'll be forever vigilant regarding the slavers so long as they continue their policy of "reclaiming". It also shows how little you truly understand of our people when you state as fact that the only thing that unites us is a hatred for the slavers. There's so much more to us than that. I find your overly simplistic argument, quite frankly, offensive. So much ignorance and bigotry in that one sentence. That's quite an accomplishment, pilot. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Uriel Khaden Hedion University Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2013.04.25 18:57:00 - [46] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism. I'd hardly call what's transpiring in the Empire "fundamentalist chaos and extremism."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 989	Posted - 2013.04.25 21:07:00 - [47] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr. Is this the new stock answer for everything in order to stifle debate? Or does this only apply to those who comment on Caldari and Amarrian issues? Not much point in this channel or any other communication medium in that case. I'll be sure to regurgitate this response when there are Matari "internal matters" that the rest of you decide to comment on. When you do, I'll be certain to point out your hypoicrisy as well. You should consider emulating the better of your colleagues and try acting to defuse the stereotype of the 'Angry Minmatar'. I understand that your culture embraces passion, but there's a difference between passion and public hysterics. Just some advice. Specific to my comment, though... In the interests of full disclosure, I should say that I find this outpouring of religious ecstacy on the part of my State's allies to be as unfathomable and distasteful as many others seem to - but whilst I might have a personal opinion on it, this particular policy of the Empire is something that wholly affects only the Empire itself. As such, I've largely held my tongue on the matter. Contrast this to, say, plans for a new Reclaiming - which, although a matter of Imperial Policy, would effect almost every other population in New Eden. On such a matter I would expect everyone to have an opinion. On the matter of a new trade policy, equally - this would affect everyone. Do we really need to hear every capsuleers opinion of how the Amarr party?
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 288	Posted - 2013.04.25 21:26:00 - [48] - Quote [comment withdrawn]
BloodBird Mixed Metaphor 164	Posted - 2013.04.25 22:21:00 - [49] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Let's see.... Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations. Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security. Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate. And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism. Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race. I take it we will see equally extensive sources and explanations for these extremely generalizing remarks of yours, Wolfhammer, just like we did last time, with the Black Eagles rally in Villore? Oh yeah, that's right. You never back any of your assumptions and wide-ranging accusations up with anything remotely resembling proper arguments or facts. I will just assume your taking a **** on the Empires. Like you usually do.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 674	Posted - 2013.04.25 23:39:00 - [50] - Quote If no comments were desired then, the news article shouldn't have been posted in a public FORUM whose purpose is DISCUSSION, IDEA EXCHANGE AND OPINIONS. My mistake for assuming otherwise. Please, "better colleagues" carry on. Perhaps in future I'll see you similarly admonishing your Caldari brethren and Amarrian allies when they comment on matters not directly related to the State and Empire? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 990	Posted - 2013.04.26 00:50:00 - [51] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: If no comments were desired then, the news article shouldn't have been posted in a public FORUM whose purpose is DISCUSSION, IDEA EXCHANGE AND OPINIONS. My mistake for assuming otherwise. Please, "better colleagues" carry on. Perhaps in future I'll see you similarly admonishing your Caldari brethren and Amarrian allies when they comment on matters not directly related to the State and Empire? I don't understand why you think I'd be partisan on behalf of the Empire...
Gosakumori Noh Viziam Amarr Empire 193	Posted - 2013.04.26 02:11:00 - [52] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I don't understand why you think I'd be partisan on behalf of the Empire... It's because of your golden... good looks, Pieter.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2664	Posted - 2013.04.28 21:34:00 - [53] - Quote BloodBird wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Let's see.... Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations. Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security. Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate. And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism. Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race. I take it we will see equally extensive sources and explanations for these extremely generalizing remarks of yours, Wolfhammer, just like we did last time, with the Black Eagles rally in Villore? Oh yeah, that's right. You never back any of your assumptions and wide-ranging accusations up with anything remotely resembling proper arguments or facts. I will just assume your taking a **** on the Empires. Like you usually do. The reason why I don't bother is because I have never seen any amount of words broadcast in the IGS manage to change anybody's ideals or observations. Our heads are thicker than tech 2 1600mm Tungsten. So don't flatter yourself by thinking I will take the time to argue with you.
Lady Katherine Devonshire Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network 146	Posted - 2013.04.29 03:18:00 - [54] - Quote And here I was thinking that this article would actually contain some iota of news about the actual Empress. Alas. See Sue Sing
Natalcya Katla Naqam Shaktipat Revelators 119	Posted - 2013.04.29 03:55:00 - [55] - Quote Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote: And here I was thinking that this article would actually contain some iota of news about the actual Empress. Alas. Indeed. The article linked in the OP doesn't even specify whether the woman portraying a bare-breasted Empress Jamyl was wearing nipple rings or not. Shoddy journalism.
BloodBird Mixed Metaphor 167	Posted - 2013.04.29 10:36:00 - [56] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: BloodBird wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Let's see.... Caldari state under the Provists is much at odds with the corporations. Federation is looking hypocritical and weak as it sacrifices liberty for security. Minmatar having tribal issues again as the memory of their nemesis (the Amarr) fades and they all don't have one thing to hate. And now the Amarr falling into fundamentalist chaos and extremism. Ah yes the universe is going to be a wonderfully anarchistic cauldron of chaos. We will see the best of the human race, and the worst, but we will be seeing the human race. I take it we will see equally extensive sources and explanations for these extremely generalizing remarks of yours, Wolfhammer, just like we did last time, with the Black Eagles rally in Villore? Oh yeah, that's right. You never back any of your assumptions and wide-ranging accusations up with anything remotely resembling proper arguments or facts. I will just assume your taking a **** on the Empires. Like you usually do. The reason why I don't bother is because I have never seen any amount of words broadcast in the IGS manage to change anybody's ideals or observations. Our heads are thicker than tech 2 1600mm Tungsten. So don't flatter yourself by thinking I will take the time to argue with you. I have never asked for an argument, I have asked you to provide some basis for your beliefs that all the governments around you deserve endless ridicule. But if your going to claim that it's okay to do this all the time because no-one believe you anyway and that this saves you from having to back your arguments up with anything at all, I can play along. I'll just assume until proven wrong, that your talking out of your rear and have nothing of meaning that can validate your claims.

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