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Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:04:00 -
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Behold, Your Empress Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can. |
Sofia Roseburn
Coreli Corporation
7
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:44:00 -
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Sounds like a good party. I don't see what the issue is. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
394
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:47:00 -
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If Empress Jamyl I endorses, as she does, this festivities as they are happening, there is no more argument to be had. The Empire is full of people, a few dozen dead doesn't matter much if the Empress approves it.
That said, event organizers should, probably, be more careful with their displays. Using a figure of Molok, or mocking the Empress are invitations to further chaos and problems. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
657
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:51:00 -
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I wonder where's the outrage from imperial loyalists at these demonstrations? People on the Kador worlds have been whipped up into some sort of religious frenzy to the point of people jumping from cathedral roofs, setting themselves on fire and more yet, it's apparently fine. I guess the most extreme behavior is acceptable so long as it celebrates the Amarrian deity, at least according to the Empress.
If these sorts of celebrations, with the attendant deaths, had happened in any of the other empires I can imagine the amount of self-righteous chest beating by the slavers that would have been spread across the IGS by now. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
394
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:56:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I wonder where's the outrage from imperial loyalists at these demonstrations? People on the Kador worlds have been whipped up into some sort of religious frenzy to the point of people jumping from cathedral roofs, setting themselves on fire and more yet, it's apparently fine. I guess the most extreme behavior is acceptable so long as it celebrates the Amarrian deity, at least according to the Empress.
Indeed, it is.
The Empress is God's voice in the galaxy, or the closest to it not counting the Scriptures. If she says it is right, then it is, there is nothing else to argue on the issue. Loyalty isn't measured on agreeing when they do what you like, loyalty is tested in the hard times and dark moments when they do. Thus, in such times, when we don't understand the reasons or the plans, we trust our supperiors, our leaders, our elders, to know what is right and guide us. In them, in the Empress, in the Empire, we place our loyalty and our faith, and walk blindly if needed.
That is the amarrian path.
Quote:If these sorts of celebrations, with the attendant deaths, had happened in any of the other empires I can imagine the amount of self-righteous chest beating by the slavers that would have been spread across the IGS by now.
Thing is, I don't believe other factions have the voice of God guiding them, do they? If Tibus Heth had been appointed by God, and thus infallible and not limited by human weaknesses, then I would have no problem with him starting a war against the Gallente, killing his own people, etc. It'd be part of the Greater Plan which I can't understand but follow. Unfortunately, such is not the case, so all he is is a mad man willing to murder his own people for his vision of the future. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
277
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:00:00 -
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To our Amarrian allies;
May I suggest that the contracts with Caldari security forces be renewed? These additional personnel could be used to secure sites of limited historical or religious significance, freeing Amarr security personnel to attend to those sites and matters which benefit from their understanding of Amarrian custom and religious strictures.
The presence of strongly-reinforced security forces may serve to moderate these revels, which may better honor the Empress's decree...? I speak as an outsider, so please forgive any ignorance on my part. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
657
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:10:00 -
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How the hell do you know Heth didn't rise through the ranks with the help of some divine influence? Are you omniscient?
Anyway, where you slavers see divinity I see a capsuleer who cloned herself to cheat death, paid someone to reverse engineer an ancient piece of technology and fooled you all into believing that she was acting in the name of your god.
So, tell me, if your Empress ordered you all to light yourselves on fire because your god "spoke to her" and commanded that you show your obedience to his words in such an extreme manner, would you do it? Assuming there's no explicit scriptural prohibition and no contrary ruling from the Theology Council wouldn't you have to? If not, why not?
I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
160
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:18:00 -
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Not surprising to see the Amarrian festivities getting a little out of hand, but it's apparently nothing to major to their highest authorities.
I would advice the average non-Imperial to ignore any possible desire to condemn this in any way. Let the Empire's people do as they please, incidents or no incidents. It has nothing to do with anyone else and frankly, condemning them for their ways would be very hypocritical of anyone who don't like to have their people's ways spat on by anyone else.
I sure don't so I will let them be. And honestly, considering the fact that the scale of these events span over several planets in several systems apparently, it's rather impressive they have not had more serious incidents happening yet.
Anabella Rella wrote:I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr.
They believe otherwise. That is all there is to it. |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
149
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:21:00 -
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This is why the Human Female Breast should only be used by Qualified Personnel, and Only for the Intended Purposes.
Down With This Sort Of Thing. |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
394
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:21:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:How the hell do you know Heth didn't rise through the ranks with the help of some divine influence? Are you omniscient? Anyway, where you slavers see divinity I see a capsuleer who cloned herself to cheat death, paid someone to reverse engineer an ancient piece of technology and fooled you all into believing that she was acting in the name of your god.
I guess that's the realm of faith. Some have it, some don't. If there was a religion of followers of Heth I'd expect them to believe and accept his decisions. Since I don't follow such a religion, I don't have to.
Quote:So, tell me, if your Empress ordered you all to light yourselves on fire because your god "spoke to her" and commanded that you show your obedience to his words in such an extreme manner, would you do it? Assuming there's no explicit scriptural prohibition and no contrary ruling from the Theology Council wouldn't you have to? If not, why not?
Yes, I would. No questions asked. The Empress will is above everything else, and if my death can serve the Empire in any way, I will offer it to her without doubt, both in the frontlines as I already have, and in any other way necessary.
Quote:I was taught that blind, unquestioning obedience to authority was a bad thing that ultimately leads to totalitarianism. Please tell me why this isn't the case with you Amarr.
You got it all wrong. I tell you why it is the case: the Amarr is an Empire, and a feudal/totalitarian one at that. Question is, why is this wrong? Why shouldn't it be? And why are the non-authoritarian paths any better? Why would one doubt, when the Will of God speaks? I understand that, without God appointed leaders, then critical thought is a virtue as they are men and women and, thus, fallible... but what happens when such is not the case? Then critical thought is the base of doubt, and doubt is the base of failure and weakness to follow the propper path. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
277
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:22:00 -
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Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then.
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Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
394
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:23:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then.
Such appears to be the case, yes. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Ensign Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
67
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:25:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Hm. I just finished reading the full article. This would appear to be a-- well, I believe the proper way to put it would be an Imperial endorsement of chaotic revels? Perhaps moderation isn't the desire of the Empress, then.
There's nothing wrong with celebrating faith. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
353
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:28:00 -
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The Empire has billions of people celebrating. While a handful of people dying or being injured is unfortunate, it's bound to happen with any large scale event. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
277
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:43:00 -
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Ms. Strife; that's not my belief, nor would it be my place to criticize the empress even if it were my belief.
Admittedly, it seems somewhat paradoxical to me that the highest authority in the largest, longest-lived empire in the cluster would see divinity in chaos, but I am, as said, an outsider. As the Amarrian religion is one that has spanned the ages, I have no doubt that ways of exploring and expressing the faith are many and varied, and that there is a hallowed tradition demonstrated here.
But, again, I am an outsider, and in the State it often seems that such displays are more-- private, or at least discrete.
Still, if this is sanctioned -- as it clearly is -- then it is by no means inappropriate. Indeed, just the opposite. |
Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
85
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:58:00 -
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Amarr indulging in ecstatic cults and celebrations ?
Maybe we managed to teach them something after all. ...................\o\ /o/................... |
Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
66
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:31:00 -
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The only people who can party as hard as the Gallente are the Amarr. People full of such inherent passion for life and purpose, as my wife has proven to me on many a times.
Party on, people of the Empress. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
978
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:33:00 -
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This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr. |
Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
421
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:37:00 -
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Said Empress is the only significant figure in Imperial power pushing for the reduction of Slaves kept in the Empire, and the practice's eventual abolition.
Your constant hostility to her reign in public seems to indicate that your organization's goals could probably be better achieved if your leadership were replaced by a particularly verbose flock of geese. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" YR113 Amarr Loyalist of the Year
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
814
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:45:00 -
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I expect topless-Jamyl costumes (including action swords) to be all the rage at this season's costume parties.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2484
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:52:00 -
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Religious fanatics killing religious fanatics?
Behold my apathy. Mane 614
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
161
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Posted - 2013.04.23 18:55:00 -
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Being awfully closeby and having the convenience of masked visitors not being frowned upon, I have attended some of the planetside festivities on Aphend IV personally; I can assure you the ambient is most charming.
I'd wholeheartedly recommend everyone else to come and enjoy themselves. I'd advise to bring your own assets however. The local ones are of somewhat... low quality. Can't complain about the ladies, though.
Send me a mail if you plan on visiting; I might arrange something special for you. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |
Uriel Khaden
Hedion University Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.04.23 19:14:00 -
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The foolishness and impropriety of a minority of people aside, it is not unusual for the Empress to encourage celebration and appreciation of faith and blessings.
While I am deeply disappointed in these displays of flagrance and debauchery, they are reflections of individual deprivation, not Imperial deprivation. I pray the local authority will deal appropriately and swiftly with these displays to discourage further similarities. |
Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
70
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Posted - 2013.04.23 21:07:00 -
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Uriel Khaden wrote:
While I am deeply disappointed in these displays of flagrance and debauchery, they are reflections of individual deprivation, not Imperial deprivation.
Brave or dumb, depends who you ask, of you to countermand the blessings of your Empress. Is she not supposed to be only second to God? Quite the bold move for such a little man. I applaud you for that, through defiance comes greatness - or spectacular defeat - entertainment none the less.
Still, is it Imperial one, when it's with the Empress' blessing, no? |
Arista Shahni
Real Simple Construction The Citadel Consortium
16
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:07:00 -
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People are moved by Faith. Moved to an excess, beyond that which could be conisdered "safe", can happen in ways that can appear "positive" or "negative" to an outsider. However, the only one who truly and fully knows the impact of an individual's actions, is God, and we place our faith in God and our Empress that those things which come to pass during this time are wholly what was meant to.
I suspect that it is this outpouring of faith bringing people out of their comfort zones of the every day and onto virgin ground in their own minds and habits to better reach for God is the "excess" of which the Empress speaks -- but applying to everything happening in all of the revelery - that which could be percieved as good or bad.
When one reaches for the infinite, the results are unpredictable. We can only hope that each of us, individually, is prepared for what we will seize hold of.
"I was dreaming once, and I dreampt of a world where I was nothing more than a biological fitting; a slave to the machine and crew, instead of the other way around. Don't you wonder at how easy it would have been for this scenario to happen, instead of how it actually unfolded?" |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
663
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Posted - 2013.04.23 22:38:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:This is a purely internal matter and, thus, the sole business of the Amarr.
Is this the new stock answer for everything in order to stifle debate? Or does this only apply to those who comment on Caldari and Amarrian issues?
Not much point in this channel or any other communication medium in that case.
I'll be sure to regurgitate this response when there are Matari "internal matters" that the rest of you decide to comment on. When you do, I'll be certain to point out your hypoicrisy as well. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:15:00 -
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It's healthy for pend up energy to be released. You guys are suppressing your people too much.
Even though I don't necessarily like her, but,
LEAVE JAMYL ALONE!!! |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
217
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:45:00 -
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These accidents and extreme indulgences during the course of otherwise energetic but peaceful celebration are unfortunate. However it is worth keeping in mind that for each incident of poor judgement that makes it into the news circulation there are going to literally be millions, even billions of other people involved in celebrations at the same exact time that aren't hurting anyone. The Empress only encourages the celebration because she should not have to tell any self respecting Amarrian to temper their excitement. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
356
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Posted - 2013.04.24 01:42:00 -
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Does anyone really think that the Empress should put an Empire wide religious celebration on hold because of these deaths?
As one of the Faithful, I consider this loss of life tragic, and am ashamed that my Brothers and Sisters would behave so. At the same time, I believe this is a period of rejoicing. I want to give thanks for the many blessing God has bestowed upon my Kingdom, my Clan, and myself.
No, I think the correct response isn't to stop the revelry. It's to come together with our family and friends, and remember how precious they are to us. It's to lift a cup to the glories of the past and to the wonders of the future. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
282
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Posted - 2013.04.24 01:51:00 -
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While I would never have made such an inference myself, it would appear that the news wires are not sure what to make of the empress of late:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empress-jamyl-i-becoming-increasingly-erratic-reports-say/ |
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