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Zedzed Nyne Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:28:00 - [1] - Quote I love playing EVE. I keep quitting but, in the words of Al Pacino, "Just when I think I've escaped, it pulls me back in". (Or something like that.) Trouble is, as a reasonably senior Exec in a global Corp in 'real life' - and having a young family and other 'real' responsibilities that middle-age brings - I don't have a great deal of spare time - and I certainly can't plan it around EVE. Question: Am I alone in this? Is there anyone else who is in the same situation and wants to share game advice? If not, I'll just sail off into the sunset and leave New Eden for the under-[insert key demographic here]. Thank you for listening.
Felicity Love STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate 498	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:39:00 - [2] - Quote I'm in the "older" bracket, too. I co-own and operate a small company, employing 25 to 30 people (summer students make the number fluctuate) and I deal with their issues as well as anything on the "family side". Like any good game, EVE keeps me sane. So, the only I advice I can offer: Keep playing now and then, if only to put your brain somewhere else for a few hours each week. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1260	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:42:00 - [3] - Quote Play when you can, but keep your priorities straight. Well past middle-aged here, and I play EveO when my RL responsibilities and commitments are taken care of. I guess the nice thing about being a student is that you don't have any real responsibilities, especially if mommy and daddy are paying the bills. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ryun Thar Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:46:00 - [4] - Quote I'm in that boat. Software engineer , wife , kids , house etc.. i buy enough plex to keep me fitted for relatively cheap pvp, roam around low/null.. die badly a lot but also get thrills no other game can give me. if what i wanted to do led to anything that felt like grind i def would not be around.. (my) life is too short.
Nalha Saldana Sickology 709	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:47:00 - [5] - Quote I could strongly recommend Faction Warfare, its one of the few things in eve you can just jump in and join the little time you do have to play. Start with frigate pvp, its easy to get into and doesnt cost much to lose the first 20 ships (takes some losses to learn).
Diablo Ex Strenus Custodes 170	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:47:00 - [6] - Quote I'm also one of the "more seasoned" players. I'm self-employed and rapidly approaching retirement (which should hopefully open up some game time for me). I have enjoyed the space gaming genre for more years than much of the player base has been alive. I started miniatures gaming and role playing in the late 1970's with GDW's Traveller while I was serving in the military before there was such a thing as the Internet or a personal computer in every home. LOL... I use a recording of a modem's sign on squelch as a ringtone, and many of the teens around here as "What is that sound?" Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 578	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:47:00 - [7] - Quote Zedzed Nyne wrote: I love playing EVE. I keep quitting but, in the words of Al Pacino, "Just when I think I've escaped, it pulls me back in". (Or something like that.) Trouble is, as a reasonably senior Exec in a global Corp in 'real life' - and having a young family and other 'real' responsibilities that middle-age brings - I don't have a great deal of spare time - and I certainly can't plan it around EVE. Question: Am I alone in this? Is there anyone else who is in the same situation and wants to share game advice? If not, I'll just sail off into the sunset and leave New Eden for the under-[insert key demographic here]. Thank you for listening. I'm in my 40s. Kids. Grand-kids even. House. Cars. Principal Software Engineer for a major global software company. Been putting in 60 hour work weeks for the last couple months as delivery date nears. I just maintain a causal play style were my activity level is really not that important. Log in when I want, do what I want, make sure that I'm not pestered by others. I tried being in null. Too many hassles. One cloaky camper and your play is shut down. I don't need that. So, I moved back to high sec. I was in big corps. Again, too many hassles with war decs and such. Now I'm just in my own corp with just my alts. Was dec comes in, I just drop to NPC corp until it ends. Friends keep trying to get me to be more involved with their corps, and I just refuse. I don't want to be in charge of anything. For me, EVE is my relaxing escape from the stress and hassles of real life. If there is something in EVE that is stressful or a hassle, I simply don't do it. If there is something in the way of not letting me play when and how I like, I just use game mechanics to get around it.
Dyvim Slorm Coven of the Morrigan 119	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:49:00 - [8] - Quote Well passed middle aged here with a busy rl job and like the OP end up coming back to Eve after taking the odd break. RL always has to come first so just fit your game-time in when you can. Main thing to remember is that Eve's supposed to be fun, not a second job so find a corp that's happy with casual players or form your own with a few like minded players.
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 8068	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:51:00 - [9] - Quote Middle aged here, my advice is to play when you can, and to enjoy the time you spend playing. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Tank Talbot Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:53:00 - [10] - Quote Zedzed Nyne wrote: I love playing EVE. I keep quitting but, in the words of Al Pacino, "Just when I think I've escaped, it pulls me back in". (Or something like that.) Trouble is, as a reasonably senior Exec in a global Corp in 'real life' - and having a young family and other 'real' responsibilities that middle-age brings - I don't have a great deal of spare time - and I certainly can't plan it around EVE. Question: Am I alone in this? Is there anyone else who is in the same situation and wants to share game advice? If not, I'll just sail off into the sunset and leave New Eden for the under-[insert key demographic here]. Thank you for listening. You don't actually have to live in New Eden full time to enjoy it. I will not deny that there are games with faster returns that don't require such dedication but obviously there is something here that's addictive and fun or you wouldn't feel the need to return. I don't know precisely what that is in your case making it hard to provide any real advice. So "enjoy it" when you can rather than worrying so much over ruling New Eden. You already won the REAL game of life. Why does this post make me think of "House of Cards" on Netflix. Frank Underwood plays video games. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he plays EVE too in a future episode.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 578	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:54:00 - [11] - Quote Diablo Ex wrote: and role playing in the late 1970's with GDW's Traveller while I was serving in the military. Ah, the days when you had to align the ship to get off a shot with your spinal mount meason gun, only to have the enemy hidden behind a wall of debris thrown from his sand casters. ;) My Traveler play time was in the early 80s when I was in high school.
Diablo Ex Strenus Custodes 171	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:57:00 - [12] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: Diablo Ex wrote: and role playing in the late 1970's with GDW's Traveller while I was serving in the military. Ah, the days when you had to align the ship to get off a shot with your spinal mount meason gun, only to have the enemy hidden behind a wall of debris thrown from his sand casters. ;) My Traveler play time was in the early 80s when I was in high school. If only CCP would give us sandcaster turrets and incorporate line of sight combat so we could hide behind obstacles... Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
Celeste Taylor Ruby Dynasty 145	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:58:00 - [13] - Quote The Eve player base age shows whenever you get a bunch of us talking about how much we loved the old spaceship game Elite. Like many of you I've been at it since the TRS80/Apple II era, and still live like a big kid watching anime, Star Wars and Doctor Who, much like I did back in the 70s.
Zedzed Nyne Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:58:00 - [14] - Quote Truly encouraged by responses ... many thanks all! General thread appears to be to keep EVE for an escape into something more simple which I guess I already felt but was getting frustrated as there's still so much EVE opportunity and so little time. Really pleased. Thank you.
Zedzed Nyne Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:00:00 - [15] - Quote Celeste Taylor wrote: The Eve player base age shows whenever you get a bunch of us talking about how much we loved the old spaceship game Elite. Like many of you I've been at it since the TRS80/Apple II era, and still live like a big kid watching anime, Star Wars and Doctor Who, much like I did back in the 70s. ... and it was searching for 'Elite' that brought me to EVE around three years ago. The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s - and Elite was truly awesome (even if docking was frustrating).
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 543	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:03:00 - [16] - Quote The forties are knocking on my door. Senior engineer in an engineering consulting firm. Wife and beatiful kids. Don't have a lot of time myself. But that's the beauty of Eve; you play how you wanna, when you wanna. If you can justify the monthly-cost-to-fun ratio my advice is to keep your account active.
Tank Talbot Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:05:00 - [17] - Quote Zedzed Nyne wrote: Truly encouraged by responses ... many thanks all! General thread appears to be to keep EVE for an escape into something more simple which I guess I already felt but was getting frustrated as there's still so much EVE opportunity and so little time. Really pleased. Thank you. When I read rookie chat for the first time, there was a 12 year old kid throwing a fit that ended with: "C'mon y'all. Let's get out of here! This is a game for old people. Celeste Taylor wrote: The Eve player base age shows whenever you get a bunch of us talking about how much we loved the old spaceship game Elite. Like many of you I've been at it since the TRS80/Apple II era, and still live like a big kid watching anime, Star Wars and Doctor Who, much like I did back in the 70s. Off thread remark, please forgive = I just love your avatar pic.
Ryun Thar Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:09:00 - [18] - Quote Not to mention, in what other game does your character continue to progress whether you have time to play or not?..
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 8070	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:16:00 - [19] - Quote Celeste Taylor wrote: The Eve player base age shows whenever you get a bunch of us talking about how much we loved the old spaceship game Elite. Like many of you I've been at it since the TRS80/Apple II era, and still live like a big kid watching anime, Star Wars and Doctor Who, much like I did back in the 70s. You opened Pandoras Box, it can never be closed, this thread is now about older gamers, Elite, Dr Who, and possibly Wing Commander. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1262	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:01:00 - [20] - Quote Diablo Ex wrote: I use a recording of a modem's sign on squelch as a ringtone, and many of the teens around here as "What is that sound?" That's friggin' awesome, man!!! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 8072	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:10:00 - [21] - Quote Diablo Ex wrote: I use a recording of a modem's sign on squelch as a ringtone, and many of the teens around here as "What is that sound?" Tell them it's 20th Century dubstep A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 1406	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:13:00 - [22] - Quote Zedzed Nyne wrote: I love playing EVE. I keep quitting but, in the words of Al Pacino, "Just when I think I've escaped, it pulls me back in". (Or something like that.) Trouble is, as a reasonably senior Exec in a global Corp in 'real life' - and having a young family and other 'real' responsibilities that middle-age brings - I don't have a great deal of spare time - and I certainly can't plan it around EVE. Question: Am I alone in this? Is there anyone else who is in the same situation and wants to share game advice? If not, I'll just sail off into the sunset and leave New Eden for the under-[insert key demographic here]. Thank you for listening. Not hardly. I'd say that the demographic here is somewhat older than your typical MMO, and many, many of us have families. Personally, I have a family, and dogs, and a lot of responsibilities (from which I am presently playing hooky - but not for much longer. ) Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Diablo Ex wrote: I use a recording of a modem's sign on squelch as a ringtone, and many of the teens around here as "What is that sound?" Tell them it's 20th Century dubstep Skrillex from the dark ages. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 1409	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:17:00 - [23] - Quote Diablo Ex wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Diablo Ex wrote: and role playing in the late 1970's with GDW's Traveller while I was serving in the military. Ah, the days when you had to align the ship to get off a shot with your spinal mount meason gun, only to have the enemy hidden behind a wall of debris thrown from his sand casters. ;) My Traveler play time was in the early 80s when I was in high school. If only CCP would give us sandcaster turrets and incorporate line of sight combat so we could hide behind obstacles... This! ^ Zedzed Nyne wrote: ... and it was searching for 'Elite' that brought me to EVE around three years ago. The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s - and Elite was truly awesome (even if docking was frustrating). Likewise. Jonah Gravenstein wrote: ...possibly Wing Commander. OK, now you've done it! Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Manny Moons New Order Logistics CODE. 48	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:43:00 - [24] - Quote I remember playing SPCWAR on CompuServe with a 300 baud modem. The upgrade to 1200 baud was great. The long distance phone bills were not. Quoting the Four Yorkshiremen "And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.."

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 214	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:43:00 - [25] - Quote Zedzed Nyne wrote: ... The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s .... My teenage son fell silent in stunned disbelieve when I showed him my still working ZX spectrum 48k. 'It takes 20 minutes to load that game from a tape?!? Wah???..........' Tsk, youngsters.... ISD Ezwal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Felicity Love STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate 504	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:45:00 - [26] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: Diablo Ex wrote: and role playing in the late 1970's with GDW's Traveller while I was serving in the military. Ah, the days when you had to align the ship to get off a shot with your spinal mount meason gun, only to have the enemy hidden behind a wall of debris thrown from his sand casters. ;) My Traveler play time was in the early 80s when I was in high school. Awesome games, Traveller and Mega Traveller. I often think of them when fitting a ship in EVE. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 8075	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:56:00 - [27] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Zedzed Nyne wrote: ... The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s .... My teenage son fell silent in stunned disbelieve when I showed him my still working ZX spectrum 48k. 'It takes 20 minutes to load that game from a tape?!? Wah???..........' Tsk, youngsters.... 48k? you were spoilt, 16k rubber beer-mat is where it was at, still got mine. It lives in the cupboard with a ZX81, BBC B, Vic 20, C64, Amiga 500 and an Acorn Archimedes, all in working order, unfortunately the Atari 2600 got water damaged and no longer functions, should really get the multimeter out and figure out what's broke. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 1410	Posted - 2013.04.24 00:02:00 - [28] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: ISD Ezwal wrote: Zedzed Nyne wrote: ... The ZX Spectrum was the platform of choice for me in the '80s .... My teenage son fell silent in stunned disbelieve when I showed him my still working ZX spectrum 48k. 'It takes 20 minutes to load that game from a tape?!? Wah???..........' Tsk, youngsters.... 48k? you were spoilt, 16k rubber beer-mat is where it was at, still got mine. It lives in the cupboard with a ZX81, BBC B, Vic 20, C64, Amiga 500 and an Acorn Archimedes, all in working order, unfortunately the Atari 2600 got water damaged and no longer functions, should really get the multimeter out and figure out what's broke. I have a similar collection - an old Sinclair, Vic-20, C-64, C-128 (2 of them!) and an old SX-64. I also have an un-opened carton of 8-inch low-density single-sided floppy disks, and an old Bournouli drive with 2(!) 20-meg disks. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Shao Huang University of Caille Gallente Federation 147	Posted - 2013.04.24 00:20:00 - [29] - Quote Old... and many 'responsibilities' in life. Among other things I am a researcher for one of the national scientific research organizations. I am new to EVE, but ooooold to games. I like EVE because... well... you can't win EVE. There is no where to get to, that you have not self generated. Probably true of many things, but very explicit in EVE. This also means that 'pace' and participation and all these things are up to me, regardless of whatever may have become socialized in the game itself. In part because I am oooold, senile and cranky I also do not care much at all about such socialized versions, expectations about or arbitrary assessments people may have about my play and such. I plan to fully take advantage of this aspect of a 'sandbox' environment. Additionally, I am also combining aspects of my participation with things that contribute to my work and attempting to allow my work to contribute to my game experience, rather than drawing hard fixed boundaries about all of this. I have also done a great deal of 'leadership development' with executive leaders and in very large organizations. Strategic planning, large scale change... all over the world, for several decades. The leaders of the large alliances in EVE have to deal with many, many of the same dynamics and their insights and reflections are really very good. Some fo these dynamics are even amplified since their 'workforce' is primarily only moved by intrinsic values. Learning to work with that as a leader or CEO is no small thing and some of them seem amazingly adept and successful at it. I recommend actually trying out organizational strategies you might use in your company in an EVE corporation. There are many places where the utility breaks down, but there are many places where, if you were aware of that you could actively test things in a way that was fun, posed no risk to your RL corporation and contributed to the game and other players. Think of it as an organizational petri dish where the constraints having to do with it being a 'game' amplify and make more visible some dynamics, while distorting or deleting all together other sorts. Oddly, it serves as a 'controlled' environment for such learning. At a systems level, EVE is a human system and so shares all the properties of that with an actual corporation such as your own. There are very serious movements in educational reform that are looking at and trying out all sorts of aspects about this. As a noob in a similar position, these are my thoughts, such as they are. I failed to notice, or may have noticed and forgotten in my encroaching senility... has anyone said: get off the lawn ya damn kids! If not it surely needs to be included in this thread. Private sig. Do not read.
Sodium Canine Sovereign Front Sovereign Fleet 10	Posted - 2013.04.24 00:35:00 - [30] - Quote Any of you geezers ever play any of the old Avalon Hill board games? I used to have quite a collection of them when I was a kid. I miss them sometimes-

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