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polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 08:45:00 - [1] - Quote GùïLoan needed: 35 Billion GùïTerm: 8 weeks Gùï **Interest: 2.5% Bi weekly ending on the 8TH week with full repayment of the loan and a final 6.5% bonus interest payment for the full amount loaned, total Interest payments will be 16.5% of investment after 8 weeks Gùï 2% weekly interest will be paid any for extensions needed. Hello, I am here today to ask for an Investment to take my production business to the next level. Currently I build Destroyer,Cruisers and Battle Cruisers along with Rigs and Ammo Most all of what I build comes off from bpc's that I acquire from auction contracts. these auctions can last upto 6 days and I do not always win the auctions. Do to these factors my production is somewhat slower then if I am able to fulfill my business plans. While my current methods are profitable it can be somewhat unpredictable due to bid wars on the auctions and varying Runs,ME and PL on the bpcs available. I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. Also mining while in NPC corps helps keep business flowing as you do not have to deal with war-decs. I produce about 30-40 BC ships weekly and do to lack of bpcs auctions that I win stops me from building more. I am looking for 35 billion Isk investment Uncollateralized with 2.5% interest bi-weekly on the investment and full payback with 6.5% interest on the 8TH week on the total investment. The Isk will be used for investment in bpo's for BC mainly as well as Cruiser and destoryer bpo's. As well I am looking to buy an orca pilot, research and trade pilot and an extra exhumer pilot. The BPOS at market price run about 15 Billion looking to buy bpos for each of my characters to copy and research the type of characters I am after run 4-6 Billion each. I have my four characters plexed each for 4 months and I have the plex to support the 3 new characters for 3 months each as well. I am looking to produce up to 75% of my own minerals cost with the added exhumer and orca support as well as up my production of Ships to over 110-140 weekly as it takes about 9-10 hours per run per character to copy. Interest payments will come from sales of produced ships and selling off some of the BPCS I make if needed. If I run across anytime of slow sales I can run incursions for interest payments. I am offering a higher return then most as my business plan will not need any further support after this investment and will be using my profits for the repayment., Once I have my BPOS and extra support characters I am very confident I can repay this loan and after I pay my dept I will be self sufficient and with my profits be able to continue to grow with my own resources. I am looking for as few investors as possible and in as soon as I can before the summer patch. Investors can pull out but anything before 30 days will have no interest I will calculate the interest paid up till the point of backing out and refund the difference. I have no collateral to offer but would sell off my characters on the character bazaar If it came down to that for repayment. How ever I do not for see this being not profitable. Feel free to contact me in game with any questions or respond here. Thank you for your time
Mu-Shi Ai Ai Capital 191	Posted - 2013.04.24 09:13:00 - [2] - Quote polly papercut wrote: I have no collateral to offe You're supposed to put that in the first sentence so we know not to read the rest of it.
Uppsy Daisy 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 374	Posted - 2013.04.24 09:37:00 - [3] - Quote Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea!
Caleb Ayrania TarNec 139	Posted - 2013.04.24 10:52:00 - [4] - Quote So the equivalent to 70 PLEX with no security.. Seems legit.
Rhivre TarNec 60	Posted - 2013.04.24 10:54:00 - [5] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free
Lux Imperator Soimii Patriei Nulli Secunda 48	Posted - 2013.04.24 11:11:00 - [6] - Quote Rhivre wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free Mining billions of minerals monthly ? That sounds do-able.
Rhivre TarNec 60	Posted - 2013.04.24 11:15:00 - [7] - Quote Lux Imperator wrote: Rhivre wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free Mining billions of minerals monthly ? That sounds do-able. What, you mean you are not out mining 23/7/365? It seems I am not the only /fail manufacturer here
flakeys Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition 1020	Posted - 2013.04.24 13:12:00 - [8] - Quote Rhivre wrote: Lux Imperator wrote: Rhivre wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free Mining billions of minerals monthly ? That sounds do-able. What, you mean you are not out mining 23/7/365? It seems I am not the only /fail manufacturer here Not gonna discuss the obvious ............... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:25:00 - [9] - Quote Lux Imperator wrote: Rhivre wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free Mining billions of minerals monthly ? That sounds do-able. With decent skills and ok Bpc's it takes the following to make per ship Drake 18,895 isogen 893 Megacyte 178,640 mexallon 14,352 Nocxium 643,429 Pyerite 2,625,233 Tritanium Per ship Hurricane: Isogen: 52499 Megacyte: 1359 Mexallon: 198,437 Pyerite: 714,922 Tritanium: 2839985 Zydrine: 3352 Talos: Megacyte: 1950 Mexallon: 339993 Nocxium: 21276 Pyerite: 1013635 Tritanium: 4552638 Zydrine: 3982 With 4 exhumer Pilots mining out of a Skiff I can mine about 2,348,582 Tritanium 164,493 Pyerite 33,406 Mexallon 30,369 Nocxium Per hour I will mine about 8 hours a day in the week days and about 10-12 on week ends but lets call it 10. That comes in at around 140,914,920 Tritanium 9,869,580 Pyerite 1,824,360 Mexallon 1,822,140 Nocxium Per week. Now to make 10 drake 10 canes and 10 Talos IIsogen: 2,143,680: 306,524,803 ISK Megacyte: 126,150: 332,769,823 ISK Mexallon: 2,152,995: 94,731,780 ISK Nocxium 1,068,840 902,079,583 ISK Pyerite: 7,122,435: 99,714,090 ISK Tritanium: 30,079,404: 163,932,751 ISK Zydrine: 231,420 : 245,282,058 ISK 2,144,034,888 Isk total Leaving me to buy or sell the following mainerals Buy Isogen: 2,143,680: 306,524,803 ISK Loss Buy Megacyte:126,150: 332,769,823 ISK Loss Buy Mexallon: 328,635: 13,474,035 Isk Loss Sell Nocxium: 753,300: 62,147,250 Isk Profit Sell Pyerite: 2,747,145: 38,460,030 Isk Profit Sell Tritanium 110,835,516: 604,053,562 Isk Profit Buy Zydrine: 231,420: 245,279,743 Isk Loss Cost 193,387,565 Isk In minerals That leaves me with about 1.3 bil profit And still have to pay for the accounts any ship loss Mining crystals and any Courier contracts I might have to spend isk on ect. So yes it is very easy to cover about 60% of the total isk cost your self with a small amount of mining. Upgrade those skiffs to mackanaws or hulks with an extra miner with orca support my own bpos and trade / and courier character my profits will skyrocket
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:31:00 - [10] - Quote Rhivre wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free obvious I know but the statement was mad because there are other people here asking for loans to cover the cost of minerals to make profit. With my own mining I can make much more profit then if I was looking for a loan with minerals. It is a slower start up but once I have bpos in hand with the added support I can make a ton more isk.
OllieNorth Recidivists Incorporated 230	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:41:00 - [11] - Quote I think this is where I would pledge 20b. But I need a new gig.
flakeys Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition 1021	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:49:00 - [12] - Quote polly papercut wrote: Rhivre wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free obvious I know but the statement was made because there are other people here asking for loans to cover the cost of minerals to make profit. *With my own mining I can make much more profit* then if I was looking for a loan with minerals. It is a slower start up but once I have bpos in hand with the added support I can make a ton more isk. That is why you are getting ''a certain type of responses'' . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Caleb Ayrania TarNec 139	Posted - 2013.04.24 19:11:00 - [13] - Quote I think we need an access sign when clicking on MD. The minerals I mine are free: Agree Dont Agree Also seriously when you ask for a loan of 70 PLEX with zero rep or viable BP you are either trolling or stupid. That is why your getting these replies.
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 19:13:00 - [14] - Quote flakeys wrote: polly papercut wrote: Rhivre wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Quote: I currently run 4 exhumer / production characters without Orca Support and I supply about 60% of the mineral cost by mining my own minerals. Which helps keep profits high. What a brilliant idea! Dammit....thats where my production profits have been going... I knew I should have mined my own minerals for free obvious I know but the statement was made because there are other people here asking for loans to cover the cost of minerals to make profit. *With my own mining I can make much more profit* then if I was looking for a loan with minerals. It is a slower start up but once I have bpos in hand with the added support I can make a ton more isk. That is why you are getting ''a certain type of responses'' . Sorry that is just how I run my business, I have slowly built it up to what it is now. I am just looking for a little help to get it boosted and in before summer patch. As it is prices are going up almost by the day.
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 19:17:00 - [15] - Quote Caleb Ayrania wrote: I think we need an access sign when clicking on MD. The minerals I mine are free: Agree Dont Agree Also seriously when you ask for a loan of 70 PLEX with zero rep or viable BP you are either trolling or stupid. That is why your getting these replies. I understand that the minerals I mine have a value and I could sell them and make money off from them. But with mining a good part of my own minerals there is less over head, it's like when you cut out the middle man in the real world. And I know I am unknown, but I am Neither trolling Nor stupid. People have to start somewhere.
Uppsy Daisy 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 390	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:16:00 - [16] - Quote So let's take that Noxcium you are mining for 'free'. Lets imagine you sell it for the price you are using - today's Jita Sell Price of 844 isk. 1822140 * 844 = 1,537,886,160 isk (1.5 billion) Why don't you save yourself the hassle and just sell that instead? The tritanium that you mined is another 750 million. Offer people shares in your new mining business.
flakeys Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition 1022	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:19:00 - [17] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: So let's take that Noxcium you are mining for 'free'. Lets imagine you sell it for the price you are using - today's Jita Sell Price of 844 isk. 1822140 * 844 = 1,537,886,160 isk (1.5 billion) Why don't you save yourself the hassle and just sell that instead? The tritanium that you mined is another 750 million. Offer people shares in your new mining business. And then if you'd like to talk profit on minerals use the isk you just made from selling your own minerals to set buy orders for X amount of jumps well below jita price and actually get FREE minerals. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Haulie Berry 500	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:07:00 - [18] - Quote polly papercut wrote: Sorry that is just how I run my business, I have slowly built it up to what it is now. I am just looking for a little help to get it boosted and in before summer patch. As it is prices are going up almost by the day. What you're failing to understand is that mining your own minerals has no impact on your manufacturing profit. The minerals have value X. The manufactured good has value Y. Assuming Y>X, Y-X = the value you added by building those raw materials into a finished good. Your mining does absolutely NOTHING to keep manufacturing profits high. It simply supplements manufacturing income with additional, extremely time-consuming mining income. That you're running 4 exhumers instead of 3 exhumers and an Orca doesn't really fill me with confidence, either.
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 22:07:00 - [19] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: polly papercut wrote: Sorry that is just how I run my business, I have slowly built it up to what it is now. I am just looking for a little help to get it boosted and in before summer patch. As it is prices are going up almost by the day. What you're failing to understand is that mining your own minerals has no impact on your manufacturing profit. The minerals have value X. The manufactured good has value Y. Assuming Y>X, Y-X = the value you added by building those raw materials into a finished good. Your mining does absolutely NOTHING to keep manufacturing profits high. It simply supplements manufacturing income with additional, extremely time-consuming mining income. That you're running 4 exhumers instead of 3 exhumers and an Orca doesn't really fill me with confidence, either. Understand your concerns two of my miner characters I bought off the character bazaar, they are somewhat less expensive then a good orca pilot
Cazador 64 Nightmare Logistics 142	Posted - 2013.04.24 22:43:00 - [20] - Quote I will go in for 2B see where this goes Isk is being sent
Uppsy Daisy 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 400	Posted - 2013.04.24 23:02:00 - [21] - Quote 2 Billion invested on a character whose business plan is making a loss at making things. I should try this, I'll soon have as much cash as flakeys.
Cazador 64 Nightmare Logistics 142	Posted - 2013.04.24 23:13:00 - [22] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: 2 Billion invested on a character whose business plan is making a loss at making things. I should try this, I'll soon have as much cash as flakeys. LOL it is two bil I can make that back in a night.
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.25 00:46:00 - [23] - Quote Isk received thank you. Now one thing I want to clear up is it is a lot faster to move 30 BC then it is to move the amount of ore that I mine. Being as I am trying to obtain bpos for certain ships before summer patch inflates everything thru the roof. I am not losing isk by no means, my time is worth what I value it at sitting on assets like tons of ore that it will not move at premium prices and the only way to move that amount of ore would be to lower the prices to the point people would buy that amount. 30 BC are much more easy to relocate and when strategically placed can sell in 2-3 days. Selling a weeks worth of ore could take months, and that's time I do not have. If I am able to acquire what I need before prices inflate I will be able to stock pile on BCs after paying off my debts. and come summer patch when everything skyrockets I will have more isk then I know what to do with.
Tesal 295	Posted - 2013.04.25 00:55:00 - [24] - Quote Isk recieved. But not really.
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.25 01:50:00 - [25] - Quote Tesal wrote: Isk recieved. But not really. http://i37.tinypic.com/21k9zpc.jpg [IMG]http://i37.tinypic.com/21k9zpc.jpg[/IMG]
Uppsy Daisy 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 404	Posted - 2013.04.25 07:54:00 - [26] - Quote polly papercut wrote: 30 BC are much more easy to relocate and when strategically placed can sell in 2-3 days. Dump the Nocxium onto a Buy Order (currently 819 isk) then. You could instantly make: 1822140 * 819 = 1.49 billion This is more profit than your ship making 'business'
Haulie Berry 511	Posted - 2013.04.25 15:14:00 - [27] - Quote Oh, wow. I missed, before, that you were building battlecruisers. Do you hate making money or something? Why not just load a bunch of PLEX into a rookie ship and go orbit 4-4? At least that would transmute ISK into lulz, whereas your business plan simply converts ISK into less-ISK.
Cavalira The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 102	Posted - 2013.04.25 20:02:00 - [28] - Quote So your entire production thing is a devaluation of the minerals you mine...
polly papercut Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.26 02:47:00 - [29] - Quote Cavalira wrote: So your entire production thing is a devaluation of the minerals you mine... Ships move faster and I will have some left over and be in a good spot for summer patch. Anyone with researched bp for destroyers and bcs will be swimming in isk. You are comparing premium prices of minerals to everyday prices of ships. Sure I could make more if i wanted to wait months to sell everything I have in minerals. Or I could take a "loss" but not really get the isk faster get the needed support characters and bpos and when summer patch hits and everyone wants bc's to up grade to the navy ones they will go up in price and surpass there mineral cost. In most business companies work at a loss in some areas to have much larger gains in others. My isk is never in the red so I am not losing isk by no means. I am just not making it fast enough to buy what I am after by the time patch hits.
Mu-Shi Ai Ai Capital 194	Posted - 2013.04.26 03:51:00 - [30] - Quote Cazador 64 wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: 2 Billion invested on a character whose business plan is making a loss at making things. I should try this, I'll soon have as much cash as flakeys. LOL it is two bil I can make that back in a night. No, no ... no, you can't.

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