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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.09.24 23:18:00 -
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Right lads, I looking for some clarification on the Cerberus. Is it a bad ship overall or is it just a bad HAC when compared to the others?
On paper it looks good enough with Time,Skills and Money. With 5 Launcher slots, The Rate of Fire bonus,Good missile skills and T2 launchers with the Heavy Missile Spec up to 4 it must spew Heavy missiles. And at a good range. Also it should be able to fit a reasonable tank from what I can see so overall it appears to me to be a good ship.
HOWEVER it does seem to pale in comparison to the other HACs so please can someone clarify this for me and any other misconceptions i may have shown here in this thread.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.09.24 23:23:00 -
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I would say it is designed to fit the role of long range sniper/missile bombardment, Problem is that you cannot tackle from that far, requiring help up close .. and if you have to have friends up close to do it anyway the point of sniping goes out the window somewhat.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.09.24 23:35:00 -
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assault frigates do more dmg then a cerberus does.
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.09.24 23:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Malken
assault frigates do more dmg then a cerberus does.
Im sceptical about that but I cant refute it. Could ya post some numbers?
Its just I cant see a Sniper-Cerb being out damaged by a Frigate. Im might be wrong but I just cant see it.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bagdh Dearg
Im sceptical about that but I cant refute it. Could ya post some numbers? Its just I cant see a Sniper-Cerb being out damaged by a Frigate. Im might be wrong but I just cant see it.
* Gank-cerberus: 250 dps at 100km.
* Gank-taranis: 200 dps at 1km. Blaster-enyo has one more gun but a lower damage bonus.
With good damage skills & t2 stuffs. Not precise numbers, but here's the idea.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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Originally by: theRaptor
Its even funnier when half the forum is crying for damage mod nerfs and the other half for plate nerfs. 
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
* Gank-cerberus: 250 dps at 100km.
* Gank-taranis: 200 dps at 1km. Blaster-enyo has one more gun but a lower damage bonus.
With good damage skills & t2 stuffs. Not precise numbers, but here's the idea.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Ahh I see it now. But I suppose damage isnt everything considering a Cerberus can tank better and has a far longer range and dmg selection.
Should have rephrased it as being "Though it might do more DPS I cant see an AF beating a Cerberus"
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:15:00 -
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in answer to the OP's question.
the cerburus isnt that bad a ship.
however, its crap compared to other hacs.
well, not crap, but doesnt match the others as far as being usefull.
as a ship i love it, same with eagle, but when you stand them next to zealots, vagabonds etc..., i cant help thinking why did i train Cal cruiser 5 and not the others
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:17:00 -
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So I've heard it anyway, the tech II BCS should bring ~300 dps on a cerberus within reasonably doable bounds.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bagdh Dearg
Ahh I see it now. But I suppose damage isnt everything considering a Cerberus can tank better and has a far longer range and dmg selection.
Should have rephrased it as being "Though it might do more DPS I cant see an AF beating a Cerberus"
Actually, the cerberus has one of the worst tanks among the HACs. Its capacitor is massively sub-par, no more than the tech 1 caracal's, and its tank, like all shield tanks, can run through that capacitor in no time flat.
As for assault frigates beating a cerberus, this is sadly quite possible: heavy missiles do so little damage vs. assault frigs (thanks to the sig radius) that a cerberus' entire damage output can easily be tanked. The 5%/level bonus to kinetic missile damage is only truly useful against minmatar AF and HACs - the other races' ships can easily tank the entire damage output of a cerberus for quite a while, and dish out a higher DPS in return.
-Wrayeth
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Bagdh Dearg
Ahh I see it now. But I suppose damage isnt everything considering a Cerberus can tank better and has a far longer range and dmg selection.
Should have rephrased it as being "Though it might do more DPS I cant see an AF beating a Cerberus"
Actually, the cerberus has one of the worst tanks among the HACs. Its capacitor is massively sub-par, no more than the tech 1 caracal's, and its tank, like all shield tanks, can run through that capacitor in no time flat.
As for assault frigates beating a cerberus, this is sadly quite possible: heavy missiles do so little damage vs. assault frigs (thanks to the sig radius) that a cerberus' entire damage output can easily be tanked. The 5%/level bonus to kinetic missile damage is only truly useful against minmatar AF and HACs - the other races' ships can easily tank the entire damage output of a cerberus for quite a while, and dish out a higher DPS in return.
I believe I can sum up my feelings on this rather quickly and curtly:
Oh Bollix.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Actually, the cerberus has one of the worst tanks among the HACs. Its capacitor is massively sub-par, no more than the tech 1 caracal's, and its tank, like all shield tanks, can run through that capacitor in no time flat.
As for assault frigates beating a cerberus, this is sadly quite possible: heavy missiles do so little damage vs. assault frigs (thanks to the sig radius) that a cerberus' entire damage output can easily be tanked. The 5%/level bonus to kinetic missile damage is only truly useful against minmatar AF and HACs - the other races' ships can easily tank the entire damage output of a cerberus for quite a while, and dish out a higher DPS in return.
With a good setup, provided that there is no drone or nos involved, you can tank a heavy missile ferox in a punisher. 6 AF out of 8 have a bonus to kinetic resists, so here goes your bonus. Yay for the cerberus.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
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Originally by: theRaptor
Its even funnier when half the forum is crying for damage mod nerfs and the other half for plate nerfs.
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:34:00 -
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So basically the Cerberus is both a bad HAC and bad Ship. Well this certainly makes me less then pleased.
Damn I assumed that it had to be atleast some way competant, seeing as the other T2 ships in general do something well.And on paper they really should, High Rate of fire and damage but its that damn Sig Radius problum which kills it.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.25 00:38:00 -
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Well, the Cerberus can actually be rather effective in *some* situations, such as vs. tech 1 cruisers or ratting battleships.
A corpmate of mine has been very effective in killing NPCing/mining battleships with his Cerberus, though his effectiveness is rapidly starting to disappear now that the people he's shooting at are fitting explosive hardeners.
-Wrayeth
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.09.25 01:03:00 -
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It's not very good for a hac. Especially up close - just lost mine to a platerax. It is pretty nice in a group though.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.09.25 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
It's not very good for a hac. Especially up close - just lost mine to a platerax. It is pretty nice in a group though.
I take back what I said about it being good against tech 1 cruisers. :P
Damn, I'm glad I went for tech 2 1400's instead of caldari HACs.
-Wrayeth
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Utgardsloki
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Posted - 2005.09.25 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Utgardsloki on 25/09/2005 01:19:45
Originally by: Layrex
It's not very good for a hac. Especially up close - just lost mine to a platerax. It is pretty nice in a group though.
Yep, as the pilot of the plated Thorax in question, I can testify that the Cerberus is pretty lacking, if it had been almost any other HAC the outcome of our fight would have been very different.
An 80 million isk ship killed by an 8 million isk ship in a one-on-one encounter? Surely CCP can see something is not quite right there.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.09.25 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Stormfront on 25/09/2005 01:40:07
Actually a plate rax wipes the floor with many other hacs.
Vagabonds, Zealots even.... So thats not really an argument.
Which is why the Thorax is being nerfed...
I would also like CCP to give the Sacrilege some more useful bonuses. Maybe 10% more armor HP :D and remove the useless missile ROF bonus...
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.09.25 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stormfront
Edited by: Stormfront on 25/09/2005 01:40:07
Actually a plate rax wipes the floor with many other hacs.
Vagabonds, Zealots even.... So thats not really an argument.
Which is why the Thorax is being nerfed...
I would also like CCP to give the Sacrilege some more useful bonuses. Maybe 10% more armor HP :D and remove the useless missile ROF bonus...
Heh that makes me feel better. 
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.09.25 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 25/09/2005 02:09:48
Edited by: Weirda on 25/09/2005 02:08:16
Originally by: Stormfront
Edited by: Stormfront on 25/09/2005 01:40:07
Actually a plate rax wipes the floor with many other hacs....
Vagabonds...
wtf?? bull****! 
weirda will take a platerax in standard setup with a vagabond, rupture, or even stabber any day of the week (twice on sunday)... pfft....
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.25 02:19:00 -
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"An 80 million isk ship killed by an 8 million isk ship in a one-on-one encounter? Surely CCP can see something is not quite right there. "
Well, CCP is kind of in the process on nerfing both Thorax *and* armour plates at the moment, so it'd seem that yes, they consider some things not being quite right -.^
(how good is the way of "fixing" things that they picked, is another story ..;;
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.25 02:19:00 -
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platerax is a joke easily dispatched by a cerberus.. i dont see how people lose their HAC to that crap, just 2 volleys from my cerb takes a platerax to 80% armor and it doesnt get much better from there..
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.09.25 02:49:00 -
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the caracal is actually a better ship then the cerberus.
it cost only a few mill so you dont loose as much as when you loose a equally worthless piece of ship as the cerberus is.
because you will loose it just as easily.
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2005.09.25 02:51:00 -
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It's a pretty good ship, it doesn't tank really well and it doesn't do lots of damage but its very much in the middle of everything. It's a fairly flexible ship and with a good pilot and a good fitting its really very good.
The eagle on the other hand is crap.
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Posted - 2005.09.25 05:26:00 -
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im reading alot of bs in here... a cerberus is quite deadly with nos at 5 k with a deimos, and same with a megathron (i have taken both)... the dps is about 237 with kinetic with setup and skills... and you have complete range flexiblity that other hacs and have ecm immunity... its a good choice half these peeps in here that talk about it have either flown against a new cerb pilot or dont know what they speak of
(willing to do pvp with any unbeliever...mail me)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.25 05:44:00 -
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"im reading alot of bs in here... a cerberus is quite deadly with nos at 5 k with a deimos, and same with a megathron (i have taken both)"
Resistances to hybrid damage on Cerberus are in the 70-80% range. And people prefer the explosive/thermal damage drones...
If she wasn't able to survive even with that kind of handicap, it'd really redefine the meaning of "pathetic", wouldn't it -.o
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.09.25 05:48:00 -
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Anyone had experiences with just fitting an "Assault Launcher II" on it and can comment on the DPS? I don't know if everyone is using "Heavy Missiles" but like from where I'm standing and reading. Doesn't Standard Missile do more damage to low sig ships like HAC's than what missile would do?
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.09.25 12:13:00 -
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So basically, With skills, Money and certain situations the Cerberus is both a good ship and good HAC however it seems without a massive level of concentration of skill points and Isk the ship is a waste of 80mill.
Well Ive always enjoyed a challenge,Thanks for the replies lads.
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Justice Bringer
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Posted - 2005.09.25 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Utgardsloki
Edited by: Utgardsloki on 25/09/2005 01:19:45
Originally by: Layrex
It's not very good for a hac. Especially up close - just lost mine to a platerax. It is pretty nice in a group though.
Yep, as the pilot of the plated Thorax in question, I can testify that the Cerberus is pretty lacking, if it had been almost any other HAC the outcome of our fight would have been very different.
An 80 million isk ship killed by an 8 million isk ship in a one-on-one encounter? Surely CCP can see something is not quite right there.
I think you've missed the point. I insured my Ishtar the other day and it cost me 5mill with a payout of 17mill. As far as I can remember, insurance payouts cover the cost of rebuilding the ship.
The fact that I like many others have paid 80 mill is just down to market forces plain and simple.
The cost is not an indication of its power or effectiveness in 1 on 1 combat. Use it in its correct role and all HAS shine through. Put them in unfamiliar territory and they become like a fish out of water.
ASFAIK I see nothing wrong with the Cerberus and I will get one for group missions in due course.
Nuff said
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.09.25 13:16:00 -
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with the BPO and lottery as it is "aka. still just a few BPO's released" even though server population has increased by a factor of 5 in active population on the servers the apparent shortage of available ships on market rests completely within CCP's sphere of blame and not the people building the ships 24/7.
and even though they build them 24/7 there is still nowhere near enough ships to supply the market.
coupled with the complete and utter stupidity of making copying the tech2 ship BPO's taking longer then actually building a ship it was made this way by CCP so once again the blame rests with CCP.
guess what?, CCP dont give a **** and wont fix it.
what would be needed is the copying time be max 70% of the building time.
also the available BPO' should be increased with a factor of 5 atleast.
maybe then there would be some kind of availability and the builders/sellers would have to position their goods in the post highway market system for maximum sales and returns.
the HAC build and availability is a joke atm.
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.09.25 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
with the BPO and lottery as it is "aka. still just a few BPO's released" even though server population has increased by a factor of 5 in active population on the servers the apparent shortage of available ships on market rests completely within CCP's sphere of blame and not the people building the ships 24/7.
and even though they build them 24/7 there is still nowhere near enough ships to supply the market.
coupled with the complete and utter stupidity of making copying the tech2 ship BPO's taking longer then actually building a ship it was made this way by CCP so once again the blame rests with CCP.
guess what?, CCP dont give a **** and wont fix it.
what would be needed is the copying time be max 70% of the building time.
also the available BPO' should be increased with a factor of 5 atleast.
maybe then there would be some kind of availability and the builders/sellers would have to position their goods in the post highway market system for maximum sales and returns.
the HAC build and availability is a joke atm.
Little off topic but ok,You have a point 
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